Naruto VS. Sasuke

[Turson]

Madara with an alive body and Rinnegan got him pretty easily.

Becuase he was actually strong enough to overwhelm Naruto and pull out Kuramas chakra form him. I dont think that Sasuke would be able to do the same with current Naruto.

 

[Bogard]

Isn't the gedo mazo aka Jubi's body inside Madara anyway?

 

[shelke]

Becuase he was actually strong enough to overwhelm Naruto and pull out Kuramas chakra form him. I dont think that Sasuke would be able to do the same with current Naruto.

So ... having The Sage's chakra doesn't make him strong enough to do so? Not to mention a Rinnegan better than Madara's as it's Kaguya's eye.

 

[Turson]

So ... having The Sage's chakra doesn't make him strong enough to do so? Not to mention a Rinnegan better than Madara's as it's Kaguya's eye.

Thats a rethorical question. Of course not. Basically, Madara was much stronger than Naruto. Currently, Naruto and Sasuke are equal in power, so Sasuke wouldnt be able rip off Bijuus from Naruto just like that.

 

[shelke]

^ I believe we are talking about current feats. As Sasuke is stronger than Naruto, so it's pretty much possible. Even if they were equal, it would still be a viable option, given that their techs would be tied out, but additional summons - if they are power tickets - would tilt the balance in favour of the one with a stronger and more useful summon.

 

[Turson]

As Sasuke is stronger than Naruto, so it's pretty much possible.

This if when your fanboyism shows up. Like I said earlier, right now Sasuke and Naruto are two sides of the same coin - they are equal in power. Sasuke at this point has better feats, but...

The battle has just started, they will be showing new feats in every chapter. I laugh at kids who make Sasuke >>>> Naruto ot Naruto >>>> Sasuke threads when its obvious that the situation will be different after every week.

They are meant to be equal, so they will be equal, live with that.

ven if they were equal, it would still be a viable option, given that their techs would be tied out, but additional summons

Nope. Gedo Mazo is just a empty shell of the Juubi. It would be only as strong as Sasuke, unless it had some Bijuus sealed in it.

 

[KidGamer65]

This if when your fanboyism shows up. Like I said earlier, right now Sasuke and Naruto are two sides of the same coin - they are equal in power. Sasuke at this point has better feats, but...

They are meant to be equal, so they will be equal, live with that.

Nope. Gedo Mazo is just a empty shell of the Juubi. It would be only as strong as Sasuke, unless it had some Bijuus sealed in it.

Since when did the Mazo operate like this?

 

[Turson]

Since when did the Mazo operate like this?

What do you mean?

 

[KidGamer65]

What do you mean?

Since when was the Mazo's strength ever determined by its user? (When its empty)

 

[shelke]

This if when your fanboyism shows up. Like I said earlier, right now Sasuke and Naruto are two sides of the same coin - they are equal in power. Sasuke at this point has better feats, but...

They are meant to be equal, so they will be equal, live with that.

Nope. Gedo Mazo is just a empty shell of the Juubi. It would be only as strong as Sasuke, unless it had some Bijuus sealed in it.

I am not sure how I am being a fanboy, when the current feats do show Sasuke being stronger than Naruto. I am going by what the current feats show. By the way, weren't you the one who never admitted that EMS = BSM? What changed your mind?

Mezo doesn't work in this manner. The only thing which determines its control is the Uchiha and Senju Dna Factor. Nothing else. Once it's called up, it should chain the Bijuus.

 

[Turson]

I am not sure how I am being a fanboy, when the current feats do show Sasuke being stronger than Naruto.

I already answered to that.

Like I said earlier, right now Sasuke and Naruto are two sides of the same coin - they are equal in power. Sasuke at this point has better feats, but...

The battle has just started, they will be showing new feats in every chapter. I laugh at kids who make Sasuke >>>> Naruto ot Naruto >>>> Sasuke threads when its obvious that the situation will be different after every week.

By the way, weren't you the one who never admitted that EMS = BSM? What changed your mind?

Not really. I was saying that Naruto has better feats, but story-wise him and Sasuke are equals.

Since when was the Mazo's strength ever determined by its user? (When its empty)

Simply becuase its feeding on its user chakra. You could see that yourself: Nagato was able to kill Hanzo underlings, however it absorbed so much chakra from him that he turned into a living skeloton.

Once it's called up, it should chain the Bijuus.

It will chain them, but still Sasuke must be stroger than Naruto to be able to pull them off, which is not the case.

 

[KidGamer65]

Simply becuase its feeding on its user chakra. You could see that yourself: Nagato was able to kill Hanzo underlings, however it absorbed so much chakra from him that he turned into a living skeloton.

It did that for the Soul Dragon, nothing else. It didn't siphon chakra from Madara when he used it to chain up and seal the Bijuu.

 

[Turson]

It did that for the Soul Dragon, nothing else. It didn't siphon chakra from Madara when he used it to chain up and seal the Bijuu.

However, its not like Mazo helped him to rip off Kurama. He did it on his own, Gedo Mazo was just a tool.

 

[KidGamer65]

However, its not like Mazo helped him to rip off Kurama. He did it on his own, Gedo Mazo was just a tool.

The Mazo might have been a tool, but it doesn't change the fact that he can't pull Kurama out without it. Its more like a power screwdriver than a normal screwdriver. He's using the power screwdriver's (Gedo Mazo) strength to rip out the Bijuu.

 

[Turson]

The Mazo might have been a tool, but it doesn't change the fact that he can't pull Kurama out without it.

Thats right, I never said that its otherwise. It didnt make Madara stronger, it just gave ability to rip off Kurama.

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

If the power up that naruto and sasuke received multiplied their power by a certain factor
Then judging by the fact that naruto was stronger than sasuke prior to the power up makes me believe that naruto should still be superior since the boost that the sage gave would've been equal for both of them regardless of their previous power

Where the **** did you get that nonsense from?

Anyways like everyone else has said, they are supposed to be equal, but based off of current feats, sasuke takes this.

 

[KidGamer65]

Thats right, I never said that its otherwise. It didnt make Madara stronger, it just gave ability to rip off Kurama.

It still doesn't mean that it was dependent on his own strength.

 

[shelke]

I already answered to that.


Not really. I was saying that Naruto has better feats, but story-wise him and Sasuke are equals.

Simply becuase its feeding on its user chakra. You could see that yourself: Nagato was able to kill Hanzo underlings, however it absorbed so much chakra from him that he turned into a living skeloton.

It will chain them, but still Sasuke must be stroger than Naruto to be able to pull them off, which is not the case.

I am going to ignore the rest of the post, as you seem to carry this in every thread.

Soul Dragon is something different, Chakra Chains is something different. Let's not mix the two. Soul Dragon seems to literally rip out the souls, Chara Chains pull out the Bijuu and fill the Mezo. They are not related, nor are they dependent on the User's strength.

The only thing the manga has stated is the degree of control, nothing else. The better the factors behind Rinnegan, the better the control.

 

[Turson]

It still doesn't mean that it was dependent on his own strength.

Well, everytime when the tug-of-chakra was played the strenght of the participants was decisive. It wasnt exaclty the case with Madara, since he already had most of Bijuus sealed, but...

 

[KidGamer65]

Well, everytime when the tug-of-chakra was played the strenght of the participants was decisive. It wasnt exaclty the case with Madara, since he already had most of Bijuus sealed, but...

That's because the participants themselves were the ones pulling. Madara himself wasn't pulling them in, he was using the Mazo to do it.