Itachi VS Current Kakashi & Gai

[TheAncientCenturion]

Current Kakashi doesn't have the Sharingan and Current Gai is. . . Practically a burnt corpse on the floor.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

That doesn't mean he can do the jutsu. Now we have insane posters allowing Kakashi to use Domu? Let's not get crazy.

It kinda does. Domu isn't a kkg or a hidden tech. He knows the tech, knows what it does, knows the seals, has the required element= he can perform the tech.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

It kinda does. Domu isn't a kkg or a hidden tech. He knows the tech, knows what it does, knows the seals, has the required element= he can perform the tech.

He could also observe Kitsuchi's earth sandwhich hand signs. . . would he ever be able to use it? Of course not, he lacks the proficiency in doton. Do we know for sure if he has the proficiency or chakra reservers to use it? No, we can only assume. Unless you feel so inclined to post a scan of Kakashi using Domu, then Domu and all 1000 of the jutsu that he has yet to display can stay away from this argument.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

He could also observe Kitsuchi's earth sandwhich hand signs. . . would he ever be able to use it? Of course not, he lacks the proficiency in doton. Do we know for sure if he has the proficiency or chakra reservers to use it? No, we can only assume. Unless you feel so inclined to post a scan of Kakashi using Domu, then Domu and all 1000 of the jutsu that he has yet to display can stay away from this argument.

Most likely yes.Just not on the same scale. He's very proficient in earth style jutsu. Two tome sasuke copied lee's front lotus despite not being anywhere near as "proficient" as Lee. Kakashi on the other hand is very proficient in earth techs.

The sharingan doesn't discriminate in what it can and can't copy. Just like it doesn't discriminate in what it can and can't see.
Fact remains: he saw the hand seals with his sharingan.
He knows it's a earth based tech.
He's capable of performing earth based techs.

Conclusion? He can perform it.

Want another example? Zabuza and kisame are both equally or more proficient in water techs than kakashi yet he had 0 problems copying zabuza's high level water Dragon(a tech only performed by kages thus far(aside from zabuza and kakashi) and kisame's water shark.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

The sharingan doesn't discriminate in what it can and can't copy. Just like it doesn't discriminate in what it can and can't see.
Fact remains: he saw the hand seals with his sharingan.
He knows it's a earth based tech.
He's capable of performing earth based techs.

Conclusion? He can perform it.

Want another example? Zabuza and kisame are both equally or more proficient in water techs than kakashi yet he had 0 problems copying zabuza's high level water Dragon(a tech only performed by kages thus far(aside from zabuza and kakashi) and kisame's water shark.

What still hasn't been provided, is solid evidence.

Kakashi copied an offensive suition from Zabuza, thus Kakashi must be able to copy and effectively use a defensive doton from Kakuzu. This logic, I will not stand by. Since we have no SOLID evidence on what degree he can use the technique too, and if he would even use it in a real combat situation, it's completely useless to use in an argument. . . even if he can use it.

This is identical to debating Onoki's use of katon, or Mei's use of doton.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

What still hasn't been provided, is solid evidence.

Kakashi copied an offensive suition from Zabuza, thus Kakashi must be able to copy and effectively use a defensive doton from Kakuzu. This logic, I will not stand by. Since we have no SOLID evidence on what degree he can use the technique too, and if he would even use it in a real combat situation, it's completely useless to use in an argument. . . even if he can use it.

This is identical to debating Onoki's use of katon, or Mei's use of doton.

Since when does sharingan discriminate between"offensive"and "defensive"? Sounds like you're running out of excuses to me.

I only have those examples to debunk your already unsound logic. You said and I quote" he lacks the proficiency in doton" as your reason to why he can't perform the technique. To counter I gave an example of sasuke copying Lee's front lotus despite not being anywhere near as proficient as Lee in taijutsu. What's even more amazing(in regards to the sharingan's copying ability) is the fact that he did it without opening the first gate even though that's a requirement.

Neither onnoki or mei have the sharingan but the fact remain's that their able to perform perform those elements since their kkg is comprised of those elements. Yamato already proved this.
And proving you even more wrong everyone in the sa was able to perform a earth wall (after having ino tell them the seals) to slow down the juubi tbb despite them having different elemental affinities. Which goes back to showing that kakashi it's more than capable of performing it since he more than fits the criteria.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Since when does sharingan discriminate between"offensive"and "defensive"? Sounds like you're running out of excuses to me.

Considering I never stated that, I'll have to disagree with me running out of excuses or having used them in the first place.

I only have those examples to debunk your already unsound logic. You said and I quote" he lacks the proficiency in doton" as your reason to why he can't perform the technique. To counter I gave an example of sasuke copying Lee's front lotus despite not being anywhere near as proficient as Lee in taijutsu. What's even more amazing(in regards to the sharingan's copying ability) is the fact that he did it without opening the first gate even though that's a requirement.

Sasuke copied the technique to some extent. It was a sloppy, less powerful version riddled with improvision. This is not nearly a viable example, and it surly debunked nothing. What still hasn't and cannot be answered is if Kakashi has enough doton proficiency, and if he can utilize a skill he's never utilized before in a live combat situation.

And proving you even more wrong everyone in the sa was able to perform a earth wall (after having ino tell them the seals) to slow down the juubi tbb despite them having different elemental affinities. Which goes back to showing that kakashi it's more than capable of performing it since he more than fits the criteria.

Earth Wall was the most basic of doton abilities (that was explained). Would everyone in the Shinobi Alliance be able to preform Domu if given the seals? No, they lack the proficiency in earth style. Can we tell if Kakashi has the proficieny? Once again, no. Is it a stable technique to be added to Kakashi's arsenal for means of debate? No.

This is all completely off topic anyways, and can be saved for another thread. Unless we are debating about Kakashi & Gai battling Itachi, then I refuse to carry this on any longer.

 

[eagle8]

kakasgi & gai wins

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Considering I never stated that, I'll have to disagree with me running out of excuses or having used them in the first place.


Sasuke copied the technique to some extent. It was a sloppy, less powerful version riddled with improvision. This is not nearly a viable example, and it surly debunked nothing. What still hasn't and cannot be answered is if Kakashi has enough doton proficiency, and if he can utilize a skill he's never utilized before in a live combat situation.


Earth Wall was the most basic of doton abilities (that was explained). Would everyone in the Shinobi Alliance be able to preform Domu if given the seals? No, they lack the proficiency in earth style. Can we tell if Kakashi has the proficieny? Once again, no. Is it a stable technique to be added to Kakashi's arsenal for means of debate? No.

"offensive suition from Zabuza, thus Kakashi must be able to copy and effectively use a defensive doton " aren't we forgetful.


Sasuke copied everything he saw perfectly.In the exact same manner Lee did it in. Down to the dancing leaf shadow. Had he saw the full tech he'd copy the full tech. Proven when he copied Lee's taijutsu even further against garra to the point were it was a literal mirror image. Proving he can copy perfectly everything that is seen with his blessed eyes perfectly, despite not being anywhere near proficient.


Sasuke already proved that proficiency doesn't matter when it comes to shraingan's copying capabilities.

It's like saying a mechanical engineer(kakashi)
Can't build a bike(domu)
Despite having a guide on how to build it(knowing hand seals)
Being proficient in the ability to(above average earth techs)
Having the tools necessary(earth style)
And seeing someone build it before his very eyes(kakazu doing the tech in front of his shatingan)

 

[Kamui Sama]

As sound as the logic is with Kakashi being able to perform doton domu (Which I believe he can since he analyzed the ability and seals) I don't think it should be used in VS. threads until he shows it.

 

[LustyLover]

Koto Amatsukami.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

As sound as the logic is with Kakashi being able to perform doton domu (Which I believe he can since he analyzed the ability and seals) I don't think it should be used in VS. threads until he shows it.

That's more reasonable to say.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Itachi with mid diff. Kakashi is non factor here.

 

[sasori345]

Both can solo at their prime, with these restriction Gai still solo, adding 1 eye Kakashi it's a stomp.

 

[WreckRoll]

sick dying itachi mid-high

 

[GodKage]

kakashi and win high diff tho