The Martyr of Konoha: The Itachi Uchiha FC
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^My take on this fight...and it may be hard to believe that I'm not biased when it comes to this, but I'm not. (Nagato is actually one of my favorite characters as well. If he has a fanclub, I'll gladly join it.)
If one thinks Gai vs Madara was a 1v1 fight when he had minor support from Minato, Gaara, and Kakashi...then Itachi vs Nagato needs to be considered a 1v1 fight when he had minor support from Naruto and Bee. Gai and Itachi were the deciding factors in their fights. Naruto and Bee would have died had Itachi not intervened.
As to who's stronger between the 2, obviously Nagato is considerably stronger than Itachi. I would rank him in a top ten list higher than Itachi. But this is what I posted on a thread when someone asked who would win if Itachi were to fight the paths or Nagato.
"Ok. When one says, since Nagato(this is basically Nagato vs Pain, considering that Pain is really just a corpse and Nagato is the one who controls him) is stronger than Itachi in power & therefore would win...that argument doesn't really fly. This isn't a contest on who can destroy a village quicker. This is a 1v1 battle.
Rinnegan is not immune to genjutsu at all. When people state rinnegan>ms, that's simply not true. Zetsu completely discredited this claim when he stated during the Itachi vs Sasuke fight that Itachi planned, "the 3-tomoe has a chance of catching the MS in genjutsu". Rinnegan is a mutation of the sharingan and it is more powerful destructive-wise, but it doesn't have a counter for many of the ms techniques that involve genjutsu. If Itachi wanted to use genjutsu on Pain, it would work and all the paths would be affected due to the shared vision. The reason Jiraiya's genjutsu didn't affect all the paths is because his was an auditory one, but the paths don't share hearing, only vision. That means Itachi has the upper-hand in this respect.
In the databook, it states that Itachi's Yasaka Magatama is as powerful as a bijuu bomb. What did it take for Naruto to get out of Chibaku Tensei in his fight w/ Pain? He just had to transform into the 6-tails and he was out of there, he didn't even need to use a bijuu bomb. When Bee and Naruto asked Itachi what they needed to do against Edo Nagato, Itachi just casually told them. If he really needed their help, don't you think he would have urgently told them right away? Itachi just told them what to do because they were there. It would be bad writing if Kishimoto had Itachi stealing all the spotlight while the main character did nothing. But they overkilled it. Itachi's answer to Chibaku Tensei just being Yasaka Magatama is good enough to stop it. By the way, since the manga states that the Totsuka Blade seals anything it can pierce, could Itachi not just bring out the blade and pierce Chibaku Tensei and seal it away, once he gets close enough to it?
Itachi has an answer to Pain's Chibaku Tensei. Anytime Pain used shinra tensei, he would be looking at his opponent. He could not look at Itachi's eyes, but then Itachi could just summon crows and make them fly in his line of sight and cast a genjutsu on him, like he did towards the beginning of Shippuden. Pain has no answer to any of Itachi's genjutsu, he'll be caught in it. I'm sure that he can break out of Itachi's 3-tomoe genjutsu, but what will he do if he's caught in Tsukiyomi? He cannot do anything. The only one who has a chance at breaking that genjutsu is an Uchiha w/ Sharingan, but even then it lasts only a second. How can one break something that lasts only a second in real life?...you wouldn't even have time to make the handseals necessary to do so. The only time it was broken was when Itachi let Sasuke break it by prolonging it long enough in real life in order to give him a chance to do so during their fight.
If the pains get caught in Itachi's genjutsu, he could just pull out the rods which Nagato uses to control them. If Nagato got caught in Tsukiyomi then it won't end well for him either.
Itachi wins high-diff, Pain loses. "
Note: This person used real-life conditions, so when the characters were alive. Nagato cannot fight himself due to how much the rinnegan drains him and must rely on the paths. Itachi has slight blindness and stamina to worry about, so he should end this as quickly as possible.
Considering that the rinnegan drains Nagato so much, he is more than likely not going to use the same attack that he did to flatten the village, he wouldn't find it ideal for a 1v1. Yata mirror (yes, yes, the hype. However, there is no way to discredit it) deflects most of Nagato's/Pain's attacks (missiles, rods, etc). Amaterasu does work on the summons'. However, some of the paths may attempt shinra tensei and a soul rip to take out Itachi, but when they do that they look at the object they are pulling towards them...not all of Itachi's genjutsu are ocular though. He could point a finger at one, get them to look at some of his crow summons' (both of which caught Naruto in genjutsu when he attempted not to look Itachi in the eyes when they encountered in Shippuden), and a plethora of others...which is why Kabuto decided to completely seal off his vision and rely solely on his senory abilities when fighting Itachi.
Also, for some strange reason, the rinnegan has never been good at seeing through dust or mist clouds. When pain fought Naruto, Naruto was forming hundreds of clones behind a dust cloud with the path looking right in Naruto's direction...he didn't notice a thing until Naruto came at him. And then again, when Itachi stabbed Nagato when the dust from that disabled chibaku tensei was settling. Depending upon location, this could work to Itachi's advantage.
Ok. I guess that's all I have to say about the two. =D
If one thinks Gai vs Madara was a 1v1 fight when he had minor support from Minato, Gaara, and Kakashi...then Itachi vs Nagato needs to be considered a 1v1 fight when he had minor support from Naruto and Bee. Gai and Itachi were the deciding factors in their fights. Naruto and Bee would have died had Itachi not intervened.
As to who's stronger between the 2, obviously Nagato is considerably stronger than Itachi. I would rank him in a top ten list higher than Itachi. But this is what I posted on a thread when someone asked who would win if Itachi were to fight the paths or Nagato.
"Ok. When one says, since Nagato(this is basically Nagato vs Pain, considering that Pain is really just a corpse and Nagato is the one who controls him) is stronger than Itachi in power & therefore would win...that argument doesn't really fly. This isn't a contest on who can destroy a village quicker. This is a 1v1 battle.
Rinnegan is not immune to genjutsu at all. When people state rinnegan>ms, that's simply not true. Zetsu completely discredited this claim when he stated during the Itachi vs Sasuke fight that Itachi planned, "the 3-tomoe has a chance of catching the MS in genjutsu". Rinnegan is a mutation of the sharingan and it is more powerful destructive-wise, but it doesn't have a counter for many of the ms techniques that involve genjutsu. If Itachi wanted to use genjutsu on Pain, it would work and all the paths would be affected due to the shared vision. The reason Jiraiya's genjutsu didn't affect all the paths is because his was an auditory one, but the paths don't share hearing, only vision. That means Itachi has the upper-hand in this respect.
In the databook, it states that Itachi's Yasaka Magatama is as powerful as a bijuu bomb. What did it take for Naruto to get out of Chibaku Tensei in his fight w/ Pain? He just had to transform into the 6-tails and he was out of there, he didn't even need to use a bijuu bomb. When Bee and Naruto asked Itachi what they needed to do against Edo Nagato, Itachi just casually told them. If he really needed their help, don't you think he would have urgently told them right away? Itachi just told them what to do because they were there. It would be bad writing if Kishimoto had Itachi stealing all the spotlight while the main character did nothing. But they overkilled it. Itachi's answer to Chibaku Tensei just being Yasaka Magatama is good enough to stop it. By the way, since the manga states that the Totsuka Blade seals anything it can pierce, could Itachi not just bring out the blade and pierce Chibaku Tensei and seal it away, once he gets close enough to it?
Itachi has an answer to Pain's Chibaku Tensei. Anytime Pain used shinra tensei, he would be looking at his opponent. He could not look at Itachi's eyes, but then Itachi could just summon crows and make them fly in his line of sight and cast a genjutsu on him, like he did towards the beginning of Shippuden. Pain has no answer to any of Itachi's genjutsu, he'll be caught in it. I'm sure that he can break out of Itachi's 3-tomoe genjutsu, but what will he do if he's caught in Tsukiyomi? He cannot do anything. The only one who has a chance at breaking that genjutsu is an Uchiha w/ Sharingan, but even then it lasts only a second. How can one break something that lasts only a second in real life?...you wouldn't even have time to make the handseals necessary to do so. The only time it was broken was when Itachi let Sasuke break it by prolonging it long enough in real life in order to give him a chance to do so during their fight.
If the pains get caught in Itachi's genjutsu, he could just pull out the rods which Nagato uses to control them. If Nagato got caught in Tsukiyomi then it won't end well for him either.
Itachi wins high-diff, Pain loses. "
Note: This person used real-life conditions, so when the characters were alive. Nagato cannot fight himself due to how much the rinnegan drains him and must rely on the paths. Itachi has slight blindness and stamina to worry about, so he should end this as quickly as possible.
Considering that the rinnegan drains Nagato so much, he is more than likely not going to use the same attack that he did to flatten the village, he wouldn't find it ideal for a 1v1. Yata mirror (yes, yes, the hype. However, there is no way to discredit it) deflects most of Nagato's/Pain's attacks (missiles, rods, etc). Amaterasu does work on the summons'. However, some of the paths may attempt shinra tensei and a soul rip to take out Itachi, but when they do that they look at the object they are pulling towards them...not all of Itachi's genjutsu are ocular though. He could point a finger at one, get them to look at some of his crow summons' (both of which caught Naruto in genjutsu when he attempted not to look Itachi in the eyes when they encountered in Shippuden), and a plethora of others...which is why Kabuto decided to completely seal off his vision and rely solely on his senory abilities when fighting Itachi.
Also, for some strange reason, the rinnegan has never been good at seeing through dust or mist clouds. When pain fought Naruto, Naruto was forming hundreds of clones behind a dust cloud with the path looking right in Naruto's direction...he didn't notice a thing until Naruto came at him. And then again, when Itachi stabbed Nagato when the dust from that disabled chibaku tensei was settling. Depending upon location, this could work to Itachi's advantage.
Ok. I guess that's all I have to say about the two. =D
My top ten would go something like this excluding the sage and his family. But not including any abilities characters gained as Edos.
1.Madara
2.Obito
3.Naruto/Sasuke
4.Hashirama
5.Nagato
7.DSM Kabuto
8.Itachi
9.Minato
10.Tobirama
But including Edo abilities...
1.Madara
2.Obito
3.Naruto/Sasuke
4.Hashirama
5.Nagato
7.DSM Kabuto
8. BM Minato
9. Itachi
10.Tobirama
-Only switched Minato and Itachi
There's a big difference between alive Minato and Edo Minato.
Note, this top ten list is based only on power. Not on intelligence. DSM Kabuto was stronger than Itachi, but in the end was outsmarted by him and lost due to arrogance. I could also see someone like Tobirama giving Minato a run for his money too. Also, the reason I put Obito above Naruto and Sasuke is because even though we've seen a few feats from them in recent chapters, I feel like I need to see more in order for me to put them above him. And I know we will see more, so it's a matter of time before Naruto/Sasuke move up and Obito moves a level down. U_U
Well, I guess that's all!
1.Madara
2.Obito
3.Naruto/Sasuke
4.Hashirama
5.Nagato
7.DSM Kabuto
8.Itachi
9.Minato
10.Tobirama
But including Edo abilities...
1.Madara
2.Obito
3.Naruto/Sasuke
4.Hashirama
5.Nagato
7.DSM Kabuto
8. BM Minato
9. Itachi
10.Tobirama
-Only switched Minato and Itachi
There's a big difference between alive Minato and Edo Minato. Note, this top ten list is based only on power. Not on intelligence. DSM Kabuto was stronger than Itachi, but in the end was outsmarted by him and lost due to arrogance. I could also see someone like Tobirama giving Minato a run for his money too. Also, the reason I put Obito above Naruto and Sasuke is because even though we've seen a few feats from them in recent chapters, I feel like I need to see more in order for me to put them above him. And I know we will see more, so it's a matter of time before Naruto/Sasuke move up and Obito moves a level down. U_U
Well, I guess that's all!
Ok. Just one more thing on Nagato...
his fanboys claim that he lost because it was a disadvantage that Kabuto was controlling him...but he would have been hurt earlier had he not been an Edo due to getting hit with Itachi's amaterasu. And Kabuto knew all the Rinnegan techs...he's a smart guy, he was using Nagato pretty well. I like Nagato, but that doesn't seem like the best excuse to me. Also, people claim that he should have sensed Yata coming, but Kabuto knew that Nagato was a sensor. It's a common misconception that he did not, but that is false. Kabuto asked Itachi if he was the one who had sensed him from a long distance away, but he didn't seem surprised when he was told that Nagato was the one who did.
That and Kabuto attributes Nagato's loss to being crippled, just his lack of mobility in general; not that Kabuto himself did not use him properly.
his fanboys claim that he lost because it was a disadvantage that Kabuto was controlling him...but he would have been hurt earlier had he not been an Edo due to getting hit with Itachi's amaterasu. And Kabuto knew all the Rinnegan techs...he's a smart guy, he was using Nagato pretty well. I like Nagato, but that doesn't seem like the best excuse to me. Also, people claim that he should have sensed Yata coming, but Kabuto knew that Nagato was a sensor. It's a common misconception that he did not, but that is false. Kabuto asked Itachi if he was the one who had sensed him from a long distance away, but he didn't seem surprised when he was told that Nagato was the one who did.
That and Kabuto attributes Nagato's loss to being crippled, just his lack of mobility in general; not that Kabuto himself did not use him properly.
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Hm. Something went terribly wrong here. This was a pic of Itachi or at least one was showing up...but then I refreshed the page and this odd gif is showing up now. I guess I'll leave it anyway. U_UThat Itachi tho!
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