The Mystery That Is Naruto

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In this thread, I would like to raise a lot of questions about Naruto. These questions may not be obvious to some people, and will also baffle others - the Sasuke fans of course. So, Here, after reading this thread, you will come to a single conclusion - that is Naruto is the current god of the Shinobi, and the era of Rikudo Sennin is over.

I. Why Is Naruto Mysterious?

The mystery of Naruto has an obvious sign that people have been debating over and over since the Kage Summit arc. It started when Tobi said that Naruto has inherited the Senju Will of Fire because there is no intel that Naruto is actually Senju. When it was revealed that the Uzumaki were of the Senju lineage, things got steady, yet why an hybrid Uzumaki like Naruto. Then, now, we know Naruto is Ashura, but also, importantly, even a prophecy was given to the SO6P about Naruto. Well, here is a hint:

(1) Naruto is Uzumaki - a clan soaked in mysteries
(2) Naruto is Senju - I mean he is Senju by himself not because of being Uzumaki - this will be proven
(3) Believe it. It will also be shown that Naruto is Uchiha (don't ask me, I am sure of it).

Basically, what I am saying is that unlike all the other major character such as Madara, Hashirama, Sasuke, Tobirama, etc, who have rigid ties to single clan, Naruto is tied to all the major clan of the series. This is why he is the one who will end the whole cycle.

Note: Ask yourself what is so important about Minato that Kishi is not giving his bloodline. Don't say that other character don't have parent because Minato is not any character. Rather, he is a former Hokage and the father of the main character.

II. Naruto has same bloodline has Rikudo Sennin

In short, I am saying Naruto is the successor of Rikudo Sennin, not because he is Ashura's reincarnate but because he has the same physical and spiritual energy as hagoromo himself. In this point, I will prove to you that current Naruto is not in 9 Biju mode.

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As you can see, if Naruto was using the chakra of the nine bijus, then he wouldn't need to take Shukaku's chakra in that panel because he would already have it.

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In this one, we can see Naruto has crossed eyes. If he were using the chakra of the nine biju, he would not have the crossed eyes because crossed eyes point to Kurama.

Now, you wonder why Naruto has the black balls and the cloak. Well here is the answer:

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As you can see, in this page, Madara is talking about the power that both Naruto and Sasuke obtained. For each one of them, Kishi showed the symbol of that power. For Sasuke, it is the new eye, and for Naruto, it is the marking on his back and the black balls.

This show that the black balls and marking are actually caused by the Senjutsu of Naruto. You may say that this is the power of juubi because all the Jinchuriki of Juubi has it. Well, remember what Juubi is:

Juubi chakra is pure natural energy. In fact, naruto was the only one to sense it due to compatibility with his Senjutsu.

Thus, after obtaining perfect Senjutsu, Naruto's new chakra is the same as Juubi's chakra that is Sage chakra. This is interesting and become even more interesting here:

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As you can see, Naruto has 7 balls rather than 9 balls like JuubiDara and juubito. Why? Here, I have a speculation next.

II. Naruto will become Rikudo Sennin

For now, I will use only tangible fact. In the previous section, I was showing that Naruto's current form his due to his Ashura connection and his Senjutsu. In that from, Naruto has two distinct feats:


(1) he has Ashura's chakra - check on his shoulder to see Ashura's markings (neither Juubito nor JuubiDara has it)
(2) He has Senjutsu chakra marking. Also, if you don't believe this being marking of Rikudo's Senjutsu, read what madara and Obito said when they took Juubi's chakra. basically, they said they have obtained Rikudo's power.

(2a) The 7 balls come with Senjutsu marking

Now, if you remeber Hashirama vs Madara, Hashirama in Senjutsu obtained a marking in his third eye position. That marking is not explained but it is there due to Ashura's power. Now, Naruto will also have a marking on his third eyes on a long term (prediction). However, unlike Hashirama's marking, Naruto will have the one Hagoromo has because Naruto and Hagoromo are the same type of sage.


Just Saying Naruto will have Rinnegan symbol has is Senjutsu Mark.

You can see that Symbol on his claok just as it is on Hagoromo's cloak and forefront.

Now, concerning the 7 balls, there represent the 7 paths of Naruto's Rinnegan. Six normal paths and one path that is Naruto himself - that is the user of Rinnegan. To understand that, read the conversations between Naruto and nagato.

II. Then, What about Sasuke?

Well, everyone saying Naruto and Sasuke are equal, etc. However, just by seeing chapter 674, it can be seen that they are not. Naruto is completely different from Sasuke both in nature, power, and meaning to the shinobi world. Clearly, Sasuke's Rinnegan is cool idea, but it is a nerfed version of Rinnegan. It is similar to those Rinnegan with only one ability shown in movies like blood prison.

In fact, by looking at how Kishi played on the mind of the reader using hype in 674, you can tell he need to do a lot of effort to convince the fanboys for sometimes that Sasuke is on par with Naruto. If Sasuke's Rinnegan was really powerful, Kishi wouldn't need comments and praise from Madara or naruto to show it. Also, the whole chapter title shows that Sasuke's Rinnegan is not the same as Rikudo, and will not have the same abilities.

While I may be hurting some people's feeling, this is based on all the manga so far. Naruto has the combine bloodline of all the descendants of Rikudo, and even maybe his brother. Naruto is the one who has the true six paths that Rikudo had - the Ninshu techs.

What I am saying is that you should not forget this:

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That is, in a few chapter, shit will go down between two shinobi of the same caliber in a deadly battle - Madara vs Naruto.
 

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He's a ninja, so...
 

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Nice bro didn't read it but you took time on it so yea good job
 

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Okay...Okay, I see what you mean. I'm guessing he'll tie all the clans to Naruto too, but are you SURE he's part of uchiha? I don't know...
 

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I'm pretty sure that Naruto and Sasuke will fight Madara. The entire point was to show that they will surpass their predecessors in a way that cooperation is possible between two opposing forces. And no, it's unlikely that Naruto is or will be a Uchiha.

Naruto has Seven Balls because the other two were formed as rods, btw. Notice the rod formed back into a sphere when Naruto create Senpo: Magnetic Sealing Rasengan.
 

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Excellent theory ... That's what i Said long ago
 

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I agree with you. I feel that Naruto has yet to understand himself and his power. He is a cut above everyone else. I made a thread about Naruto > Hagoromo and everyone flipped. NB just aint ready for the truth.
 

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loved it rep+

but it is in that mode if you seen new color cover vol

Naruto has blue cloak and gray hair unless he messed up his own thing lol unless the cover is a spoiler

why is gai dai and rocklee and naruto on the cover and not sasuke

At the end of the day its called Naruto shippuden

Naruto is the main of all main

what ever happens it shouldnt be a surprise since he has the ultimate plot
 

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I think you have misunderstood some very important points.

(1) Having the will of fire has nothing to do with Senju. The thing is, the will of fire is/was also the prophecy of the Senju clan - they basically created it as they created Konoha, which is why Tobirama calls it the Senju will of fire - basically he is an arrogant as*hole (sorry to say it). The will of fire is nones to take, anyone can claim it, and Sarutobi is probably the best example, since he is the one, that has done far most to develop Konohas will of fire.

(2) The words you used "Uzumaki were of the Senju lineage" are taken from some wrong translation in mangapanda - as I recall. I think, it was not said in that manner. The only thing we do know, is that the two clans are distant blood relatives - just as much as Senju and Uchiha are distant blood relatives.

Also I don't think any of this matters. Whatever clan, whatever bloodline, whatever will (Ashura does not chose someone due to the will of fire, the will of stone might be just as good as I interpret it) is unimportant. What matters is the person Ashura choses.

We were told that Ashura has chosen many persons through the years. Personally I cannot think of a person chosen by Ashura, that would not be mentioned in any histories. That is why I think, it cannot have been a Senju every time. So my point is, Ashura can chose anyone, it doesn't even need to be a shinobi. Anyone with the correct ideals and beliefs may be chosen by Ashura. Blood has nothing to do with it, because Ashura would never chose someone that didn't have his ideals.

Btw, we just had the Ridukous words for it. This does not make it bullet proof. When he said Ashura chose Naruto, that might just have been a metaphor, meaning that Naruto has the same beliefs Ashura did - but we all know that Naruto didn't get these beliefs from Ashura. So what does it really give a person to be chosen by Ashura? The oppertunity to meet the Ridukou?

In the end this whole bloodline idea, which is so damn important in every debate, well to be frank, it's quite misunderstood. Kishi is quite keen on medical stuff, as we have seen in several chapters. Thus what you need in your blood is just a small part of Senju/Uchiha DNA, which just about any clan should have - some more than others (Uzumaki for instance).
 

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I'm pretty sure the other two balls are the poles that he is holding.
Yea saying it that way seems legit

I'm pretty sure that Naruto and Sasuke will fight Madara. The entire point was to show that they will surpass their predecessors in a way that cooperation is possible between two opposing forces. And no, it's unlikely that Naruto is or will be a Uchiha.

Naruto has Seven Balls because the other two were formed as rods, btw. Notice the rod formed back into a sphere when Naruto create Senpo: Magnetic Sealing Rasengan.

its called naruto shippuden anything that happens to sasuke will be for narutos development

its like calling your manga after your name and putting all intentions on a different character
 

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I think you have misunderstood some very important points.

(1) Having the will of fire has nothing to do with Senju. The thing is, the will of fire is/was also the prophecy of the Senju clan - they basically created it as they created Konoha, which is why Tobirama calls it the Senju will of fire - basically he is an arrogant as*hole (sorry to say it). The will of fire is nones to take, anyone can claim it, and Sarutobi is probably the best example, since he is the one, that has done far most to develop Konohas will of fire.

(2) The words you used "Uzumaki were of the Senju lineage" are taken from some wrong translation in mangapanda - as I recall. I think, it was not said in that manner. The only thing we do know, is that the two clans are distant blood relatives - just as much as Senju and Uchiha are distant blood relatives.

Also I don't think any of this matters. Whatever clan, whatever bloodline, whatever will (Ashura does not chose someone due to the will of fire, the will of stone might be just as good as I interpret it) is unimportant. What matters is the person Ashura choses.

We were told that Ashura has chosen many persons through the years. Personally I cannot think of a person chosen by Ashura, that would not be mentioned in any histories. That is why I think, it cannot have been a Senju every time. So my point is, Ashura can chose anyone, it doesn't even need to be a shinobi. Anyone with the correct ideals and beliefs may be chosen by Ashura. Blood has nothing to do with it, because Ashura would never chose someone that didn't have his ideals.

Btw, we just had the Ridukous words for it. This does not make it bullet proof. When he said Ashura chose Naruto, that might just have been a metaphor, meaning that Naruto has the same beliefs Ashura did - but we all know that Naruto didn't get these beliefs from Ashura. So what does it really give a person to be chosen by Ashura? The oppertunity to meet the Ridukou?

In the end this whole bloodline idea, which is so damn important in every debate, well to be frank, it's quite misunderstood. Kishi is quite keen on medical stuff, as we have seen in several chapters. Thus what you need in your blood is just a small part of Senju/Uchiha DNA, which just about any clan should have - some more than others (Uzumaki for instance).

I agree with everything you said. I think people need to realize the bond that Kishi has made between Sasuke and Naruto. They ARE the end of this all and as the Sage ended up seeing through error, that true peace comes through EQUALITY! Whether people like it or not, they ARE equal now and it's supposed to be this way. We see what inequality lead to, with the Sage's sons. He wouldn't make the same freaking mistake twice. That'd ruin the whole purpose.
 
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Wow, bravo. Taking off the Naruto fanboy glasses, getting at the root of what the author has been banging over the readers heads, that Naruto is an embodiment of the Sage's Yang, and completely ignoring that and stating that he is both his Yin and Yang. After Naruto himself stated that Sasuke was the other half of Hagoromo's power, you saw straight through it and stated that Naruto is actually the whole of Hagoromo. You saw the Sage himself state that he trusts that Naruto and Sasuke will find peace together, Naruto excitedly accepted this, and you saw the ruse for what it was. This was the work of a truly unbiased reader.
 

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As you can see, Naruto has 7 balls rather than 9 balls like JuubiDara and juubito. Why? Here, I have a speculation next.

Stopped reading when I read this. Looking for the other 9-7=2 balls? They are in his hand, he can manipulate that stuff. I thought it was a good theory in the start but too much speculation and incorrect interpretations/facts.

Nice try though. :)
 

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Wait when you think about it the sageof six paths had 7 balls and a staff in his hand he had that staff before the juubi so those rods are mainly naruto weapons
 
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Well we don't know Minato's parents which at least opens up the possibility that Naruto has the blood of more clans. than just Uzumaki.
 

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Wait when you think about it the sageof six paths had 7 balls and a staff in his hand he had that staff before the juubi so those rods are mainly naruto weapons

Nope, I can't find it in my phone but somebody posted a scan of 1 rod returning to the Orb state. The staffs are made from two orbs. He can manipulate them to any shape he wants.

UPDATE

Notice the rod shaking in the lower right panel of this page (12/674)



Now notice the 'Pop' sound on the top near the ball in this page (13/674)



The rod just returned to the Orb state as Naruto had no use for it for the time being.
 
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Naruto obviously is slightly different from all the reincarnations and the sons themselves

Hagoromo mentioned this

As for where this will go, i cant really say.

But well done for articulating your point well
 

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If find your theory to be filled with a lot of fanfiction ideas. First of all, we know that Kaguya had the Byakugan originally. This may mean that she was part of the original Hyuga clan, and her husband may be a member of the original Uzumaki clan. This would make the Senju and Uchiha the secondary clans instead of the Hyuga and Uzumaki. It would make sense since the show is named "Naruto" and this give Naruto a "rank" above him in history. We also know that the eye that Sasuke have right now is the eye of the Juubi, which Kaguya held before. This eye was said by Hagoromo to be a reason why Kaguya was so powerful, even more powerful than himself. Meaning that its most likely a stronger version of the Rinnegan.

Now, the reason why I say that is because of the following. If you take a look at the Rinnegan, it has circles and have pink/purple tint to it. The eye of the Juubi is red with circles that has tomoes on them, while the Byakugan is blank and has a white/pink tint to it. Combine those two eyes in logic using their colors and traits. A washed out red with some pink into it, alongside the blank from the Byakugan. That leaves something that would look like the Rinnegan. It was also hinted earlier that the Rinnegan was nothing but a mutation, and it may very well be, so would the Sharingan be. From that, I guess that the Rinnegan is infact a nerfed version of the Juubi's eye while the Sharingan is a nerfed version of the Rinnegan again. The power weakened over two generations and Sasuke has now obtain the true power of his lineage again.

While on the other hand, Naruto obtained the true power of his lineage from Hagoromo. Naruto and Sasuke has already been confirmed as the reincarnations of Ashura and Indra, so neither can be Hagoromo.
 
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