The Martyr of Konoha: The Itachi Uchiha FC

[Chie]

GUH, DANZO. It’s no joke when people say that Hiruzen was the light and Danzo was the dark. O_O Danzo was very much in the dark. I like how he said that if Konoha was a tree, he and the Foundation would be the roots. That’s a metaphor that really goes deep when it comes to Danzo’s actions. He did the shady and dirty work for the sake of the village.


@Bolded, that’s a very interesting thought! I think Itachi would’ve made for a fantastic clan head (and obviously would have succeeded Fugaku when the time came if everything hadn’t happened). He certainly would change the clan for the better!! ;_; I also think that if Itachi had had kids, he definitely would have prepared them to become clan heads and teaching them to be good people to become good clan heads. <3

Well, he would have to be clan head at some point because he was the eldest son. I really wish that Danzo hadn'r gotten involved. :/

@Kaya Honestly! They both had good intentions to suppress the Coup d'État buf NOPE, Danzo has to swoop in and ruin it all. Thank god he's dead.

That's a pretty interesting thought! I mean, we never saw any Uchiha children besides Sasuke at that time, and none were in the Academy besides him, so I guess not. O_O

I really hate Danzo after watching those episodes. The guy was way too paranoid. He stopped the one thing that could have stopped the Uchiha from being annihilated, the KA.

And no, there were no other kids. I'm 100% sure of that, at least from what has been said in the manga.

Okay so something has been bumping around in my head that I need to voice. Was Sasuke seriously the ONLY child in the Uchiha clan? I just can't imagine Itachi killing children, even given his orders. But I also find it equally hard to believe that there weren't more children born to the Uchiha before the massacre.


I mean the guy was friends with Shisui's dad in the past. He should have at least thought about that one before he tried to kill (and succeeded in a sense) the kid.


Too true. I'm pretty sure the phrase "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" was created specifically for Danzo. XD As for everything else you said, I agree with it all. The question is then this- what sort of ripple effect would have occurred if KA had been used and the coup averted (at least temporarily)?


You know, he could quite arguably be THE most evil person in the Narutoverse. lol He was too involved in his own designs for the village to give any other viewpoint a chance. Maybe it has something to do with all those sharingan he had implanted? XD

That phase fits Danzo pretty well. Even though I really hate Danzo, I don't think he's the most evil though (he's top ten for sure though). Orochimaru has no good intentions, he just wants to become the most powerful shinobi and live forever and has even experimented on children...59 of which lost their lives bar Yamato. And Hidan loves killing people to sacrifice to Jashin. Kakazu ripped people's hearts out for immortality. Sasori made people into puppets and felt nothing towards them. Obito and Madara were laughing when they were killing people. Kishimoto has even gone as far as to state that Madara is pure evil. Madara said that he loves crushing skulls and fighting. :/ Pretty sure that realistically speaking, all of those people beat Danzo.

But Danzo is too limited in his views and very much a hypocrite. He talks of self-sacrifice but has other shinobi sacrificed in his place. He didn't live by that until the day he died and committed suicide in order to stop Obito from getting Shisui's eye.

The way Danzo ripped out Shisui's eyes was quite disturbing. Like you said, that is the son of one of his comrades. Danzo is just too focused on his way of doing things.


I think that with the KA, things would be stable for a good number of generations. If Itachi became clan head, he would probably find an acceptable way for the Uchiha to gain more power in the village and for them to be satisifed. Maybe he could have even become hokage? He would be more than fit for the job and it would also have settled much conflict. He'd probably be the best hokage other than Naruto imo.

If it makes you feel any better, there were no Uchiha children. Sasuke was apparently the youngest, considering that when Danzo stated "And any unknowing child will have to be killed" and Hiruzen retorted "No, Danzo don't say such things in front of Itachi". Danzo said that because he knew that it would make it personal to Itachi and then later on in the chapter, Sasuke is mentioned so they were being exclusive to him.

Obito stated that Sasuke was not killed due to being too young and innocent.

That and Itachi stated that he didn't kill Sasuke because he was the only one who didn't know about the coup and that he was just a kid. That proves that there was no one else around Sasuke's age or younger and that everyone in the clan knew/agreed w/ the coup bar Shisui and Itachi.

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Sasuke was kept in the dark about the coup due to being too young and only people who knew about the coup and agreed were killed. That means that there were no kids around Sasuke's age.

Also, there were no kids at the academy, or Uchiha at all actually bar Sasuke.

That means if their were any youths, they'd all have to be 12 and older. (Itachi is the only Uchiha to have been known to progress through the Academy quickly). And even then, they could have been older than 12, like maybe in their late teens. In the episode (which I know is not canon and is only filler), when the Uchiha clan was meeting the only kids there were Itachi and Shisui.
But you also have to remember that in this series, no shinobi has a problem with killing teenagers and that most of the time they are treated as and considered as adults. I mean, a few are even missing-nins/S-Rank criminals cough* Sasuke, Karin, Suigetsu, Juugo* cough.

So, if there were "kids", they'd have to be 12 or older. And even that is being generous, considering that we didn't see other teens. They also aren't really treated like kids and are usually considered to be adults, especially in a clan like the Uchiha and when they are shinobi.

 

[Hakairyoku]

Okay so something has been bumping around in my head that I need to voice. Was Sasuke seriously the ONLY child in the Uchiha clan? I just can't imagine Itachi killing children, even given his orders. But I also find it equally hard to believe that there weren't more children born to the Uchiha before the massacre.

You know, he could quite arguably be THE most evil person in the Narutoverse. lol He was too involved in his own designs for the village to give any other viewpoint a chance. Maybe it has something to do with all those sharingan he had implanted? XD

I’m with Beep, in that Sasuke was the only Uchiha in his class, and we just didn’t see many Uchiha children in general. I have to think that there were more children, but Kishi didn’t focus on them. Also, Itachi killing children as part of the massacre makes what he had to do even more devastating, so as much as it hurts me to say it, I imagine they were there. ;_;

Oh, the implanted Sharingan certainly didn’t help his case. :devil: But I also agree with Chie, Orochimaru takes the cake as most evil. I do think Danzo deserves second place though!

Well, he would have to be clan head at some point because he was the eldest son. I really wish that Danzo hadn'r gotten involved. :/

Indeed, very true. Oh yeah, I wish Danzo hadn’t gotten involved in a lot of things! :T_T: Yet, we would have a pretty different story if he hadn’t.

 

[Chie]

I’m with Beep, in that Sasuke was the only Uchiha in his class, and we just didn’t see many Uchiha children in general. I have to think that there were more children, but Kishi didn’t focus on them. Also, Itachi killing children as part of the massacre makes what he had to do even more devastating, so as much as it hurts me to say it, I imagine they were there. ;_;

Oh, the implanted Sharingan certainly didn’t help his case. :devil: But I also agree with Chie, Orochimaru takes the cake as most evil. I do think Danzo deserves second place though!

Indeed, very true. Oh yeah, I wish Danzo hadn’t gotten involved in a lot of things! :T_T: Yet, we would have a pretty different story if he hadn’t.

Danzo was very evil. :devil: But at least he's gone now.

We didn't see any Uchiha children other than Sasuke though. Not a single other one. That and if there were other Uchiha children in the academy, wouldn't they walk home with Sasuke? Also, it was stated that Sasuke was the only one who didn't know about the coup and that is one of the reasons of why they spared him, so that automatically rules out any Uchiha around his age or younger. It's not that hard to believe that they were 12 and up if there were any. At least imo.

 

[Hakairyoku]

Danzo was very evil. :devil: But at least he's gone now.

We didn't see any Uchiha children other than Sasuke though. Not a single other one. That and if there were other Uchiha children in the academy, wouldn't they walk home with Sasuke? Also, it was stated that Sasuke was the only one who didn't know about the coup and that is one of the reasons of why they spared him, so that automatically rules out any Uchiha around his age or younger. It's not that hard to believe that they were 12 and up if there were any. At least imo.

He sure was! But yes, you’re right. XD

You make some very good points. Especially the fact that no matter what age they were, other Uchiha children who went to the Academy would’ve walked home with Sasuke. O_O Man, that’s so weird to think about, now that we’ve really started talking about it! How could there not be more children??

 

[KayaUzumaki]

@Kaya Honestly! They both had good intentions to suppress the Coup d'État buf NOPE, Danzo has to swoop in and ruin it all. Thank god he's dead.

That's a pretty interesting thought! I mean, we never saw any Uchiha children besides Sasuke at that time, and none were in the Academy besides him, so I guess not. O_O

Well, he would have to be clan head at some point because he was the eldest son. I really wish that Danzo hadn'r gotten involved. :/



I really hate Danzo after watching those episodes. The guy was way too paranoid. He stopped the one thing that could have stopped the Uchiha from being annihilated, the KA.

And no, there were no other kids. I'm 100% sure of that, at least from what has been said in the manga.



That phase fits Danzo pretty well. Even though I really hate Danzo, I don't think he's the most evil though (he's top ten for sure though). Orochimaru has no good intentions, he just wants to become the most powerful shinobi and live forever and has even experimented on children...59 of which lost their lives bar Yamato. And Hidan loves killing people to sacrifice to Jashin. Kakazu ripped people's hearts out for immortality. Sasori made people into puppets and felt nothing towards them. Obito and Madara were laughing when they were killing people. Kishimoto has even gone as far as to state that Madara is pure evil. Madara said that he loves crushing skulls and fighting. :/ Pretty sure that realistically speaking, all of those people beat Danzo.

But Danzo is too limited in his views and very much a hypocrite. He talks of self-sacrifice but has other shinobi sacrificed in his place. He didn't live by that until the day he died and committed suicide in order to stop Obito from getting Shisui's eye.

The way Danzo ripped out Shisui's eyes was quite disturbing. Like you said, that is the son of one of his comrades. Danzo is just too focused on his way of doing things.


I think that with the KA, things would be stable for a good number of generations. If Itachi became clan head, he would probably find an acceptable way for the Uchiha to gain more power in the village and for them to be satisifed. Maybe he could have even become hokage? He would be more than fit for the job and it would also have settled much conflict. He'd probably be the best hokage other than Naruto imo.

If it makes you feel any better, there were no Uchiha children. Sasuke was apparently the youngest, considering that when Danzo stated "And any unknowing child will have to be killed" and Hiruzen retorted "No, Danzo don't say such things in front of Itachi". Danzo said that because he knew that it would make it personal to Itachi and then later on in the chapter, Sasuke is mentioned so they were being exclusive to him.

Obito stated that Sasuke was not killed due to being too young and innocent.

That and Itachi stated that he didn't kill Sasuke because he was the only one who didn't know about the coup and that he was just a kid. That proves that there was no one else around Sasuke's age or younger and that everyone in the clan knew/agreed w/ the coup bar Shisui and Itachi.

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Sasuke was kept in the dark about the coup due to being too young and only people who knew about the coup and agreed were killed. That means that there were no kids around Sasuke's age.

Also, there were no kids at the academy, or Uchiha at all actually bar Sasuke.

That means if their were any youths, they'd all have to be 12 and older. (Itachi is the only Uchiha to have been known to progress through the Academy quickly). And even then, they could have been older than 12, like maybe in their late teens. In the episode (which I know is not canon and is only filler), when the Uchiha clan was meeting the only kids there were Itachi and Shisui.
But you also have to remember that in this series, no shinobi has a problem with killing teenagers and that most of the time they are treated as and considered as adults. I mean, a few are even missing-nins/S-Rank criminals cough* Sasuke, Karin, Suigetsu, Juugo* cough.

So, if there were "kids", they'd have to be 12 or older. And even that is being generous, considering that we didn't see other teens. They also aren't really treated like kids and are usually considered to be adults, especially in a clan like the Uchiha and when they are shinobi.

I’m with Beep, in that Sasuke was the only Uchiha in his class, and we just didn’t see many Uchiha children in general. I have to think that there were more children, but Kishi didn’t focus on them. Also, Itachi killing children as part of the massacre makes what he had to do even more devastating, so as much as it hurts me to say it, I imagine they were there. ;_;

Oh, the implanted Sharingan certainly didn’t help his case. :devil: But I also agree with Chie, Orochimaru takes the cake as most evil. I do think Danzo deserves second place though!



Indeed, very true. Oh yeah, I wish Danzo hadn’t gotten involved in a lot of things! :T_T: Yet, we would have a pretty different story if he hadn’t.

Danzo was very evil. :devil: But at least he's gone now.

We didn't see any Uchiha children other than Sasuke though. Not a single other one. That and if there were other Uchiha children in the academy, wouldn't they walk home with Sasuke? Also, it was stated that Sasuke was the only one who didn't know about the coup and that is one of the reasons of why they spared him, so that automatically rules out any Uchiha around his age or younger. It's not that hard to believe that they were 12 and up if there were any. At least imo.

He sure was! But yes, you’re right. XD

You make some very good points. Especially the fact that no matter what age they were, other Uchiha children who went to the Academy would’ve walked home with Sasuke. O_O Man, that’s so weird to think about, now that we’ve really started talking about it! How could there not be more children??

Since we all seem to be focusing on the same points, I'll just reply to all of you in one response so as not to be repetitive. lol

In regards to Danzo, I think my view of evil is slightly different from Chie's. In my opinion, Danzo was the most evil because he knew what he was doing was wrong but did it in the name of good. The fact that he wouldn't accept that what he was doing was wrong is what makes him the most evil in my opinion. Hidan, Orochimaru, and Kakuzu were evil as well, but not to the extent of Danzo I think. But I do agree with everything else you said about Danzo, Chie.

Now on to the Uchiha children. I just can't bring myself to imagine that Sasuke was the only child. Even if there were some 12 years and older, it is still too much of a stretch. I mean, nobody in the clan had a child for 6/7 years and with that many people in the clan? I don't buy it. There had to have been other children, even if they were just babies. That aspect in particular would explain why they wouldn't walk home with Sasuke. Also, we didn't see Sasuke in the clan meetings which obviously shows why he didn't know about the coup. Couldn't the same be said for any other children around his age or younger? Lastly, it might be that some Uchiha were not sent to the academy. We haven't seen much of the other villagers, but I'm assuming that not everyone goes to the ninja academy since there are plenty of civilians. I do recognize that the Uchiha are more or less expected to attend, but there could always be exceptions.

 

[Hakairyoku]

Since we all seem to be focusing on the same points, I'll just reply to all of you in one response so as not to be repetitive. lol

In regards to Danzo, I think my view of evil is slightly different from Chie's. In my opinion, Danzo was the most evil because he knew what he was doing was wrong but did it in the name of good. The fact that he wouldn't accept that what he was doing was wrong is what makes him the most evil in my opinion. Hidan, Orochimaru, and Kakuzu were evil as well, but not to the extent of Danzo I think. But I do agree with everything else you said about Danzo, Chie.

Now on to the Uchiha children. I just can't bring myself to imagine that Sasuke was the only child. Even if there were some 12 years and older, it is still too much of a stretch. I mean, nobody in the clan had a child for 6/7 years and with that many people in the clan? I don't buy it. There had to have been other children, even if they were just babies. That aspect in particular would explain why they wouldn't walk home with Sasuke. Also, we didn't see Sasuke in the clan meetings which obviously shows why he didn't know about the coup. Couldn't the same be said for any other children around his age or younger? Lastly, it might be that some Uchiha were not sent to the academy. We haven't seen much of the other villagers, but I'm assuming that not everyone goes to the ninja academy since there are plenty of civilians. I do recognize that the Uchiha are more or less expected to attend, but there could always be exceptions.

Sounds good. XD

That is one of the worst kinds of evil. Not senseless like Hidan, or for money like Kakuzu, or for power like Orochimaru. Danzo was evil with the intention that it would be for the “greater good.” And you’re right, the fact that he wouldn’t accept his actions as being wrong is actually quite evil. O_O So, depending on one’s view of evil, I suppose that villains in Naruto (and of course, in other forms of fiction) are evil in their own ways, and those ways might be more evil to some people than others. It’s a great topic for discussion!

Also, I was thinking that other children wouldn’t walk home with Sasuke because it was indicated that he stayed late to practice and train. But, I think that was only in one instance, so that still wouldn’t explain it. I think that you might be right about not many Uchiha being sent to the academy to begin with. It seemed like a pretty big deal when Sasuke made it in. And indeed, there are plenty of civilians in the village.

This is still so strange to think about haha!! :nuts: _@:

 

[Chie]

Since we all seem to be focusing on the same points, I'll just reply to all of you in one response so as not to be repetitive. lol

In regards to Danzo, I think my view of evil is slightly different from Chie's. In my opinion, Danzo was the most evil because he knew what he was doing was wrong but did it in the name of good. The fact that he wouldn't accept that what he was doing was wrong is what makes him the most evil in my opinion. Hidan, Orochimaru, and Kakuzu were evil as well, but not to the extent of Danzo I think. But I do agree with everything else you said about Danzo, Chie.

Now on to the Uchiha children. I just can't bring myself to imagine that Sasuke was the only child. Even if there were some 12 years and older, it is still too much of a stretch. I mean, nobody in the clan had a child for 6/7 years and with that many people in the clan? I don't buy it. There had to have been other children, even if they were just babies. That aspect in particular would explain why they wouldn't walk home with Sasuke. Also, we didn't see Sasuke in the clan meetings which obviously shows why he didn't know about the coup. Couldn't the same be said for any other children around his age or younger? Lastly, it might be that some Uchiha were not sent to the academy. We haven't seen much of the other villagers, but I'm assuming that not everyone goes to the ninja academy since there are plenty of civilians. I do recognize that the Uchiha are more or less expected to attend, but there could always be exceptions.

Sounds good. XD

That is one of the worst kinds of evil. Not senseless like Hidan, or for money like Kakuzu, or for power like Orochimaru. Danzo was evil with the intention that it would be for the “greater good.” And you’re right, the fact that he wouldn’t accept his actions as being wrong is actually quite evil. O_O So, depending on one’s view of evil, I suppose that villains in Naruto (and of course, in other forms of fiction) are evil in their own ways, and those ways might be more evil to some people than others. It’s a great topic for discussion!

Also, I was thinking that other children wouldn’t walk home with Sasuke because it was indicated that he stayed late to practice and train. But, I think that was only in one instance, so that still wouldn’t explain it. I think that you might be right about not many Uchiha being sent to the academy to begin with. It seemed like a pretty big deal when Sasuke made it in. And indeed, there are plenty of civilians in the village.

This is still so strange to think about haha!! :nuts: _@:

Kaya, I agree. Danzo is the most evil when you look at it that way. I kind of take back my ranking of villains now. The other villains know what they do is bad, but still admit that they are evil (Oro is a prime example of this, he does evil things but admits that he is evil and that it is for his own personal gain)...whereas Danzo committed evil acts and claimed that they were necessary when in fact they really were not. In fact, when he had "necessary acts" committed, he usually caused the problem in the first place. EX: The KA was the last thing stopping the Uchiha massacre, but Danzo hindered it which in turn caused the Uchiha Massacre to happen. That is actually more despicable, so now I agree that he is the most evil character. You made good points and you were right.

On the topic of children, to me it's not that hard to believe that there were no children around Sasuke's age or younger. Sasuke in a panel in the manga asked Obito why he was spared and he replied that he was too young and was in the dark about the coup.

If there were other children, there is no possible way that they would know about the coup. If the leader's own son did not, they aren't going to either and therefore they would be innocent. However, Sasuke was not killed due to being innocent so...

Sasuke asked Itachi the same question and he also replied that it was also because he was too young and didn't know. But Sasuke didn't counterargue and say "Well, what about the other kids, they were innocent as well?". He just accepted it. That means imo that there were no other children around his age or younger.

Also, anytime Sasuke has flashbacks of the Uchiha clan, he first thinks of Itachi, then his father, mother, Shisui, three cops, and other adults. He never has thought of kids, and isn't it a little weird that we haven't seen any through his memories?

On the topic of Uchiha children being sent to the academy...
I understand that most kids in the village did not go. But then again, many are civilians from regular families. Obito was an Uchiha and an orphan. He was viewed as unskillful, but he still went to the academy. Obito would have been the best example of an exception given his background, and yet he still went. If kids like Obito went to the academy, I would suspect that other Uchiha children who were better off during their time and not growing up during war times would go as well. Also, the Uchiha were viewed as an elite clan, most were expected to be shinobi.

And Uchiha not having kids for 6 or 7 years, well Fugaku and Mikoto didn't have another child for 5 years.

I understand what you mean. The Uchiha clan seemed to be pretty large. But who knows? We don't even know exactly how big their population was and we know that the majority were more concerned with training and getting stronger than such things. Maybe somehow they just didn't have kids younger than Sasuke. I feel like Kishimoto wanted to bring that forth with those statements. This is a fictional piece and doesn't have to follow the same rules in real life. We have 13 year old double agents, people attempting to take over the world with illusions, people who grow bugs inside their own bodies, people who can get up fine after being split in half, people who can turn into liquid, etc. It doesn't follow logic in real life entirely. I don't see the point of thinking about babies when the story is like this and Sasuke wasn't killed due to not knowing about the coup and being innocent and there isn't any proof of other children, besides common sense used in real life and not manga. But this is just my opinion. U_U

 

[Chie]

Sounds good. XD

Your Gaara sig is so sad. I'm glad that he received closure.

Did you see what he told Naruto in the latest chapter? Konoha and the Sand are going to be even better allies than before once Naruto becomes hokage (if he does, though I really cannot see anyone else taking the position, other than Shikamaru or Kakashi but they do not want the job). Either way, Naruto better become hokage at the end of this story or receive a high position, he's worked hard for it and deserves it. =D

 

[KayaUzumaki]

Sounds good. XD

That is one of the worst kinds of evil. Not senseless like Hidan, or for money like Kakuzu, or for power like Orochimaru. Danzo was evil with the intention that it would be for the “greater good.” And you’re right, the fact that he wouldn’t accept his actions as being wrong is actually quite evil. O_O So, depending on one’s view of evil, I suppose that villains in Naruto (and of course, in other forms of fiction) are evil in their own ways, and those ways might be more evil to some people than others. It’s a great topic for discussion!

Also, I was thinking that other children wouldn’t walk home with Sasuke because it was indicated that he stayed late to practice and train. But, I think that was only in one instance, so that still wouldn’t explain it. I think that you might be right about not many Uchiha being sent to the academy to begin with. It seemed like a pretty big deal when Sasuke made it in. And indeed, there are plenty of civilians in the village.

This is still so strange to think about haha!! :nuts: _@:

Ain't it though? It's one of those things where the guy trying to do the most good is actually doing the most evil. It's sickening to me.

Part of me wants to say that it was a big deal because he was the clan leader's son. I just don't know though! _@: This topic has been spinning around in my head a long time.

Kaya, I agree. Danzo is the most evil when you look at it that way. I kind of take back my ranking of villains now. The other villains know what they do is bad, but still admit that they are evil (Oro is a prime example of this, he does evil things but admits that he is evil and that it is for his own personal gain)...whereas Danzo committed evil acts and claimed that they were necessary when in fact they really were not. In fact, when he had "necessary acts" committed, he usually caused the problem in the first place. EX: The KA was the last thing stopping the Uchiha massacre, but Danzo hindered it which in turn caused the Uchiha Massacre to happen. That is actually more despicable, so now I agree that he is the most evil character. You made good points and you were right.

On the topic of children, to me it's not that hard to believe that there were no children around Sasuke's age or younger. Sasuke in a panel in the manga asked Obito why he was spared and he replied that he was too young and was in the dark about the coup.

If there were other children, there is no possible way that they would know about the coup. If the leader's own son did not, they aren't going to either and therefore they would be innocent. However, Sasuke was not killed due to being innocent so...

Sasuke asked Itachi the same question and he also replied that it was also because he was too young and didn't know. But Sasuke didn't counterargue and say "Well, what about the other kids, they were innocent as well?". He just accepted it. That means imo that there were no other children around his age or younger.

Also, anytime Sasuke has flashbacks of the Uchiha clan, he first thinks of Itachi, then his father, mother, Shisui, three cops, and other adults. He never has thought of kids, and isn't it a little weird that we haven't seen any through his memories?

On the topic of Uchiha children being sent to the academy...
I understand that most kids in the village did not go. But then again, many are civilians from regular families. Obito was an Uchiha and an orphan. He was viewed as unskillful, but he still went to the academy. Obito would have been the best example of an exception given his background, and yet he still went. If kids like Obito went to the academy, I would suspect that other Uchiha children who were better off during their time and not growing up during war times would go as well. Also, the Uchiha were viewed as an elite clan, most were expected to be shinobi.

And Uchiha not having kids for 6 or 7 years, well Fugaku and Mikoto didn't have another child for 5 years.

I understand what you mean. The Uchiha clan seemed to be pretty large. But who knows? We don't even know exactly how big their population was and we know that the majority were more concerned with training and getting stronger than such things. Maybe somehow they just didn't have kids younger than Sasuke. I feel like Kishimoto wanted to bring that forth with those statements. This is a fictional piece and doesn't have to follow the same rules in real life. We have 13 year old double agents, people attempting to take over the world with illusions, people who grow bugs inside their own bodies, people who can get up fine after being split in half, people who can turn into liquid, etc. It doesn't follow logic in real life entirely. I don't see the point of thinking about babies when the story is like this and Sasuke wasn't killed due to not knowing about the coup and being innocent and there isn't any proof of other children, besides common sense used in real life and not manga. But this is just my opinion. U_U

Thanks, Chie! =D

You make some great points. I guess it's just hard for me to think that is the case. I know that real life can't necessarily be applied, but I couldn't help to think that there might have been others. The only thing I can think of that might help to answer this question is in one of the recent filler episodes (ep 357 I believe). It's the scene where Itachi and Kakashi are taking over the ANBU shift of watching the clan. I can't tell for certain if the monitors showed the whole village or just the Uchiha section. IF, and I do stress IF, it is the Uchiha section then it does indeed show younger children. Again, I recognize it's technically not canon but it might be useful.

 

[Chie]

Ain't it though? It's one of those things where the guy trying to do the most good is actually doing the most evil. It's sickening to me.

Part of me wants to say that it was a big deal because he was the clan leader's son. I just don't know though! _@: This topic has been spinning around in my head a long time.



Thanks, Chie! =D

You make some great points. I guess it's just hard for me to think that is the case. I know that real life can't necessarily be applied, but I couldn't help to think that there might have been others. The only thing I can think of that might help to answer this question is in one of the recent filler episodes (ep 357 I believe). It's the scene where Itachi and Kakashi are taking over the ANBU shift of watching the clan. I can't tell for certain if the monitors showed the whole village or just the Uchiha section. IF, and I do stress IF, it is the Uchiha section then it does indeed show younger children. Again, I recognize it's technically not canon but it might be useful.

It was actually episode 358 (just rewatched it). Kids were shown during the Kyuubi attack, but that wasn't the Uchiha district, that was jus the Police Force evacuating the entire village. Then, when Kakashi and Itachi were spying, only adults were shown. There were two young people bending down looking at the ground, but they look like they're teenagers or preteens. Sasuke was the only kid shown. (I loved the way that Itachi closed his eyes and smiled when he saw him <3 It was very cute.)

This is a filler and Kishimoto is not working on it. So I am not going to consider everything canon. There have already been some small mistakes made anyway. But I will consider everything canon that relates to the manga and was mentioned to have happened off panel (Obito/Itachi during the massacre, Shisui's suicide, Danzo vs Shisui, etc.). So, I'm considering most of the things involving the coup to be canon, but not the earlier episodes prior to Itachi's appearance, like Kakashi fighting those Mist ninja.

I'm sorry, I just don't believe that there were children younger than Sasuke. I'm just going to stay optimistic on this and go with the manga. I watched the latest ep, and I did see a kid with their mom at the rice cracker shop when Kakashi/Gai were visiting. But like I said, I'm not going to consider all of this canon, because Kishi is not working on it. Only the parts that were mentioned in the manga are fact to me & the manga itself makes it very hard to believe that there were kids younger than Sasuke, at least imo.

What did you think of the latest episode? In my opinion, it was...
Another excellent episode, 5/5. These episodes may be filler I'm still considering them as canon in my book (except for things that have already been contradicted).

PROS:

+ The suspense before the massacre was well played.

+ Finally we got to witness Itachi meeting Obito and we also got to see how they planned things before the massacre.

+ ANBU Captain Itachi FTW!

+ Itachi's final warning to Danzo was awesome!

CONS:

- Hiruzen did a pathetic job at handling the Uchiha. He let Danzo step all over him all the way to the end. He admitted he was weak but those words were far too late.

 

[Hakairyoku]

Your other post was so good, Chie, but I can’t rep you still!! :T_T:

Your Gaara sig is so sad. I'm glad that he received closure.

Did you see what he told Naruto in the latest chapter? Konoha and the Sand are going to be even better allies than before once Naruto becomes hokage (if he does, though I really cannot see anyone else taking the position, other than Shikamaru or Kakashi but they do not want the job). Either way, Naruto better become hokage at the end of this story or receive a high position, he's worked hard for it and deserves it. =D

Oh, I know! :NO: I’m glad he did, too. <3 I think it really completed his character arc.

Sure did!! xd It was a really great moment! I agree, I think they will be. I’m thinking after Kakashi’s first go-around, he’s not gonna want to be hokage again, and Shikamaru… while that would be cool, I agree with you, I can only see Naruto as hokage. I’m willing to bet that after the war, Tsunade will resign and hand the position over to Naruto. But, I think you’re right, Naruto’s deserved it since day one (it’s all he’s ever talked about)! =D If the village systems no longer exist after the war, though, then I’m sure Naruto will receive a high position of some kind. Maybe like Jiraiya and becoming a sage, yet even more than that! If that makes sense haha. :3

Ain't it though? It's one of those things where the guy trying to do the most good is actually doing the most evil. It's sickening to me.

Part of me wants to say that it was a big deal because he was the clan leader's son. I just don't know though! _@: This topic has been spinning around in my head a long time.

Uh huh. :| Yeah, I couldn’t agree more! It’s awful!!

That too. Me neither!! :nuts: I bet! It’s really consuming haha. _@:

What did you think of the latest episode? In my opinion, it was...
Another excellent episode, 5/5. These episodes may be filler I'm still considering them as canon in my book (except for things that have already been contradicted).

PROS:

+ The suspense before the massacre was well played.

+ Finally we got to witness Itachi meeting Obito and we also got to see how they planned things before the massacre.

+ ANBU Captain Itachi FTW!

+ Itachi's final warning to Danzo was awesome!

CONS:

- Hiruzen did a pathetic job at handling the Uchiha. He let Danzo step all over him all the way to the end. He admitted he was weak but those words were far too late.

I thought the episode was awesome!! I definitely agree with your pros and cons! And I also think these episodes are canon (except you’re right, there are some contradictions). It was really sad when Kakashi was talking about how he didn’t really know Itachi at all. ;_;

Plus, Kakashi being released from ANBU to become a jonin sensei! :hyper: I’m actually really excited for the next episode! It was always so intimidating hearing that Kakashi rarely passed any of his students. O_O So I’m ready to see some of that.

 

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What's up guys? :x3:

 

[Chie]

What's up guys? :x3:

Nothing much. What about you? =D

 

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Nothing much. What about you? =D

Hey Chie! Also nothing much haha, just trying to figure out a way to not have to go back to school on Monday... XD

 

[Hakairyoku]

What's up guys? :x3:

Up early this morning for Easter weekend festivities haha. Zzz I wish I didn't have school on Monday either! XD

 

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Up early this morning for Easter weekend festivities haha. Zzz I wish I didn't have school on Monday either! XD

Haha nice! XD I know right?

 

[Chie]

[video=youtube;dxqjivxpG7o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dxqjivxpG7o[/video]

This actually sums up Itachi's life quite well.

Now I feel like looking at more Amvs and posting them.

 

[Chie]

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Itachi =D

 

[Hakairyoku]

Haha nice! XD I know right?

Yup haha. And yeah!! But alas, here I am. D:

[video=youtube;dxqjivxpG7o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dxqjivxpG7o[/video]

This actually sums up Itachi's life quite well.

Now I feel like looking at more Amvs and posting them.

Doesn't it though?? :T_T: That's a great AMV!

You should!! =D There's always room here for anything Itachi related! <3

You must be registered for see images

Itachi =D

AWESOME. :ls:

 

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@Ryoku An I've got a test tomorrow... yayy... XD