[Spoilers] The Straight Tomoe and Limbo (Explanations and Connections)

[Immacookie]

Well this is thread number one for me so here I go!
Well this will have a lot of parts to this. Most of the thread will be focused on Sasuke's new eye. In the latest set of spoiler pre release pages, this eye was called the Straight Tomoe by Madara. There's some confusion about the translation but I think it's right, people are wondering about the name of Sasukes eye the Straight Tomoe.
Madara said that sasuke had the same straight tomoe but madaras rinnegan is quite different. But, they would have the same if madara had his other rinnegan. We haven't seen left or right eye techniques from the rinnegan. With just one eye obito and madara have been able to perform many different jutsus (eg. Preta Path, Six paths, rinnetensei, etc). So why would madara be so intent on obtaining both? Somehow I doubt it's asymetriphobia... Its because he needs both rinnegan to obtain the straight tomoe eye, which might be necessary now for the eye of the moon since the tree is no more. The other requirement of this power has to be the power of the Shinju (the tree) look at the people who had the straight tomoe, Kaguya and sasuke (kaguya ate of the fruit containing the chakra of Shinju and sasuke obtaining the chakra and power of the jinchuriki of the juubi). But the sage had all the requirements for this eye. Except he has not shown the sharingan. It's possible he might have had it but he hasn't shown it. But I think it's deeper than the sharingan... Think of Indra's will and spirit. The mother, kaguya seemed to have the same will and desires of Indra. Sasuke and madara had his spirit. But Indra didn't have access to the Shinju and thus could not obtain the straight tomoe. The sage certainly didn't have the will/spirit of Indra and thus limited him.

Requirements for Straight Tomoe:
- Senju blood (for rinnegan) (could be obtained from sage[sasukes case])
- Uchiha blood (rinnegan)
- Indra will/spirit
- access to Shinju (chakra)
- two rinnegans

Now I would also say madara did not have this eye. Note the timing and terminology used. Sasuke appears, madara calls the eye a rinnegan, he says he has this (he does have a rinnegan). Naruto attacks and the tree is cut madara damaged. A person (kaguya) speaks to madara (I'm not going to spend a ton of time on this being kaguya there are plenty of threads about this and her silhouette is almost impossible to mistake, plus her connection to the shinju are close enough to make it extremely plausible). She tells him to absorb the tree, that it was time to become one (note this). Madara then seems to have an epiphany, but simply says "I see, the Shinju" (possibly hinting to the requirement of the Shinju for the Straight Tomoe) then after a bit madara NOW calls the eye the Straight Tomoe and says he has this which MADARA does not. But kaguya does. Awhile back I said note this: "it is time to become one" ~ kaguya. This is very likely a fusion of knowledge and will of kaguya and madara, we see this in his epiphany I mentioned earlier. Plus he changes his terminology of the eye and though madara does not have the eye kaguya did, thus clearing up the confusing claim that madara had the Straight Tomoe.

Rinbo (aka Limbo):
I also believe that rinbo is a technique requiring a rinnegan aaaaaannnnndddd the Shinju. Think about it, it can only be seen in the first place by sasuke and madara which have the eye of the juubi and the juubi inside of it respectfully. But also it can be damaged by, and sensed by senjutsu. Senjutsu is natural energy, the only way the juubi could be sensed was by naruto sage mode. The juubi has tons of connection to nature energy which I will not show really much more because threads of that are littered everywhere on NB.

So these are a lot of my thoughts. I'll most likely add more as I recall them and think more. Please understand that a lot of this is connections and thus some/most of this you might know. The more purpose of this was for connections and clearing confusion as well as a bit of theorizing.

Let me know what you think and if you want pics of evidence let me know. Thanks for reading

 

[Filo]

Sasukes rinnengan changes to look like madaras after like page 5 on those spoilers

 

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Sasukes rinnengan changes to look like madaras after like page 5 on those spoilers

This ^^^^

Sasuke's rinnegan Turned normal.

And Madara also used Limbo without being Jubbi Jin. So it must be rinnegan technique

 

[Immacookie]

Ummm nope, just checked, Sasukes consistently has the tomoe just like kaguya and juubi and madara has the normal rinnegan without tomoe.

 

[BlacLord™]

Madara was using Hengoku before he absorbed the Shinju, before he was even a Jinchuuriki.

At the end of the day, Rinbo ("Limbo") is a dimension that exists on the same plane as everyone but cannot be seen or sensed through normal methods.

It turned out exactly as I had imagined.

 

[Chīkara]

Overall good thread. But I disagree with the fact that you said that the shinju is required to use Limbo since
Madara was using it before he absorbed the tree.

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[Ohhdang]

Wtf.. Do you guys not remember Madara mentioning sasuke's straight tomoe chapters ago? Sasuke having a straight tomoe has nothing to do with his new eye now..

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[yuredonitemare]

overall good thread. But i disagree with the fact that you said that the shinju is required to use limbo since
madara was using it before he absorbed the tree.

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man, i love your sig... I wanted to do the same with that exact clip haha.. P.s madara trolls the the real world with LIMBO... PFFT

 

[bootyhunter3000]

for some reason besides one, in a black page which might be like the limbo world or something -just guessing because we don't really know the full information about it- sasuke does not have the tomoe on his rinnegan for you guys debating
With the tomoe

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No tomeo , but looking at madara's limbo

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No tomeo, but again black

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[YP2]

Interesting thread, I agree!

 

[Styles]

for some reason besides one, in a black page which might be like the limbo world or something -just guessing because we don't really know the full information about it- sasuke does not have the tomoe on his rinnegan for you guys debating
With the tomoe

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No tomeo , but looking at madara's limbo

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No tomeo, but again black

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1st pic he does have the tomoe though

 

[Immacookie]

Rinbo is taken out, also it is interesting,
Kaguya had a Straight Tomoe in her forehead

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the sage had a rinnegan in his forehead (be it an actually eye or a symbol is irrelevant)

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Now the placement is important, the eye is at their forehead right by their brain or their mind. The minds eye and in the series that sort of thing has been very much a reflection of will and feelings. What is the difference in the two eyes? The tomoe. Tomoe also obviously make a massive appearance in sharingans. Sharingans belong to Uchiha and are awakened through the intense feelings and out of Indra is where the Uchiha come from. It seems to me that this also quite well points to my statement that Indra's will, perhaps even spirit is required to manifest the ST. As the sage did not have tomoe we can see that he believes that his minds eye and his heart does not reflect Indra's will or spirit.

Also what exactly did sasuke recieve? I could say he received the chakra of the senju, from the sage, and also the chakra of the sage himself, more specifically the chakra of the Shinju. Through this manifested his ST. Also you could say that he has obtained both rinnegan since he has the ST. The only thing madara has missing is a rinnegan because from there I believe he would manifest the ST and use it to power the Eye of the Moon as I've said before. So since sasuke has the ST most likely has both rinnegan. Even though he's only showing the sharingan, we know it's possible to progress through the states, as shown by madara.

As far as the tomoe disappearing it's more likely to be an accident, both times were in the black background as was stated by bootyhunter and there are far more times were sasuke shows the eye with tomoe and kishi very explicitly shows the eye close up with its tomoe.

 

[Immacookie]

I messed up on limbo. But something else interesting:
Kaguya has a ST in her forehead

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Sage has rinnegan in his forehead (whether it's an actual eye is irrelevant)

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So what? Well the eye is in the forehead, in the center, by the brain. This is a big reference to ones "minds eye" that is shaped by their will and beliefs. What's the difference in their eyes? Kaguya has the tomoe, sage doesn't. Tomoe are heavily incorporated in the sharingan which is the Uchiha which came from Indra. Her minds eye reflects the will and spirit of Indra where as the sages does not. This supports my claim that it is necessary to have the will/spirit of Indra to obtain the ST.

Now the lack of tomoe appears twice in a black background as bootyhunter pointed out. This is most likely a mistake as this only happens twice and kishi very explicitly shows the eye and it's tomoe more than once in the last two chapters.

 

[bootyhunter3000]

1st pic he does have the tomoe though

I said that... ._.

 

[HENI]

Madara used Limbo without the Shinju before though.