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Ok, so following the latest chapter where Madara absorbed the God Tree, many have started to say that. Madara has now surpassed the Sage, and reached Kaguya's level.
First of all, Madara is still missing his left eye. The Sage had two Rinnegan. It is likely that, like with the Mangekyo Sharingan and Susano'o, you require two Rinnegan for certain abilities, since one of the first things Madara did after becoming the jinchuuriki of the Juubi was to go after Obito for the left eye Rinnegan. Maybe for Creation Of All Things?
Secondly, people seem to forget that the current battle of Madara vs Naruto and Sasuke is, in essence, a battle between Madara and Hagoromo. Naruto himself stated that both he and Sasuke possess only one half of the Sage's power:
And that half was enough to shitstomp on Madara. Agreed, he was injured. And, agreed that he was weaker than he is now, after absorbing the rest of the Shinju. However, it still stands that, with the exception of Gai, nobody could even touch Madara before Naruto came to the battlefield with the Sage's power, let alone leave him a bloody mess on the ground without a drop of return blood.
As far as Madara having more of the Juubi than the Sage did, no. Hagoromo also had the Shinju, where else did it go? It didn't just disappear, Hagoromo and his brother sealed the Juubi and the Shinju in Hagoromo. So, at best, Madara can claim to be on par with Hagoromo.
However, as far as both feats and hype go, the Sage is far above Madara. Hagoromo before becoming jinchuuriki of the. Juubi was already as powerful as 50% of the Juubi, since he and his brother both fought and defeated it before sealing it. This is what the manga stated when we still hadn't seen Hagoromo's brother, so this is what we must go by until we receive a statement contradicting it.
Also, on his deathbed, at his weakest, and without the Juubi's power, Hagoromo was still able to create the bijuu and create the Moon. The freaking Moon. If we assume that the NV Earth is exactly like real life Earth, then he just flat out created a rock 25% the size of the world on his deathbed. That is OP.
Madara has shown nothing coming even close to this level of power. At most, one can claim that he is on par with Hagoromo, but even that would be false, as shown here. All Madara has behind him is a panel of Kaguya's eyes, and we don't know what that is meant to be.
In conclusion, even after chapter 673, Hagoromo is firmly the strongest character in the NV after Kaguya.
First of all, Madara is still missing his left eye. The Sage had two Rinnegan. It is likely that, like with the Mangekyo Sharingan and Susano'o, you require two Rinnegan for certain abilities, since one of the first things Madara did after becoming the jinchuuriki of the Juubi was to go after Obito for the left eye Rinnegan. Maybe for Creation Of All Things?
Secondly, people seem to forget that the current battle of Madara vs Naruto and Sasuke is, in essence, a battle between Madara and Hagoromo. Naruto himself stated that both he and Sasuke possess only one half of the Sage's power:
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And that half was enough to shitstomp on Madara. Agreed, he was injured. And, agreed that he was weaker than he is now, after absorbing the rest of the Shinju. However, it still stands that, with the exception of Gai, nobody could even touch Madara before Naruto came to the battlefield with the Sage's power, let alone leave him a bloody mess on the ground without a drop of return blood.
As far as Madara having more of the Juubi than the Sage did, no. Hagoromo also had the Shinju, where else did it go? It didn't just disappear, Hagoromo and his brother sealed the Juubi and the Shinju in Hagoromo. So, at best, Madara can claim to be on par with Hagoromo.
However, as far as both feats and hype go, the Sage is far above Madara. Hagoromo before becoming jinchuuriki of the. Juubi was already as powerful as 50% of the Juubi, since he and his brother both fought and defeated it before sealing it. This is what the manga stated when we still hadn't seen Hagoromo's brother, so this is what we must go by until we receive a statement contradicting it.
Also, on his deathbed, at his weakest, and without the Juubi's power, Hagoromo was still able to create the bijuu and create the Moon. The freaking Moon. If we assume that the NV Earth is exactly like real life Earth, then he just flat out created a rock 25% the size of the world on his deathbed. That is OP.
Madara has shown nothing coming even close to this level of power. At most, one can claim that he is on par with Hagoromo, but even that would be false, as shown here. All Madara has behind him is a panel of Kaguya's eyes, and we don't know what that is meant to be.
In conclusion, even after chapter 673, Hagoromo is firmly the strongest character in the NV after Kaguya.
