[Theory] Possibilities of Sasuke's Rinnegan

[The Robot With Human Hair]

These are mostly just some of my thoughts on what exactly Sasuke's Rinnegan may be able to do, and how his abilities may differ from what we've seen before.

First, a strange quality of Madara's technique, Limbo, is that it is actually based upon a Christian concept, rather than a Buddhist realm, as other Rinnegan techniques are based upon.

From the Naruto Wiki:

Both the first word's furigana (リンボ, Rinbo) and the second word (辺獄, Hengoku) refer to the Limbo, with リンボ being the Japanese way of writing Limbo and 辺獄 being an actual translation of the word's meaning.

From Wikipedia:

In the theology of the Catholic Church, Limbo (Latin limbus, edge or boundary, referring to the "edge" of Hell) is a speculative idea about the afterlife condition of those who die in Original Sin without being assigned to the Hell of the Damned. Limbo is not an official doctrine of the Catholic Church. Medieval theologians, in western Europe, described the underworld ("hell", "hades", "infernum") as divided into four distinct parts: Hell of the Damned (which some call Gehenna), Purgatory, Limbo of the Fathers or Patriarchs, and Limbo of the Infants.

This highly suggests some difference between Madara's Rinnegan and Nagato's. One major difference between Madara's Limbo and Nagato's paths, is that one is a power transmitted through the eye, while the others seemed to be transmitted through the body.

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I believe this is tied directly to Nagato lacking the spiritual energy required, but held an abundance of physical energy as he was of the Senju bloodline.

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While Madara is an inheritor of the spiritual energy of Hagoromo through Indra.

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While physical energy is tied to power of the body, spiritual energy is tied to power of the eyes.

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My belief is that the Buddhist realms of Nagato's Rinnegan are tied to physical energy, while the Catholic concept of Madara's Limbo is tied to spiritual energy.

If in fact this is the case, then there may be far more to showcase through Sasuke, who holds quite the chunk of the Sage's spiritual energy.

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Perhaps some techniques will hold inspiration in other Catholic concepts, such as Heaven, Hell, Purgatory and Paradise.

 

[Cauzing]

You did some research there, huh? Nice work, sound interesting

 

[David1996]

sasuke taking it to the next level

 

[Xlad]

Interesting thought. Never thought about the Catholic concepts behind Limbo. BlinkSt made a somewhat similar point in that Sasuke won't be using the conventional 6 Paths techniques. Though it was more in that his true would be two unrelated eyes working together and possibly Onmyoudon.

 

[NRW2311]

nice one +rep

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

sasuke taking it to the next level

I'd bet.

You did some research there, huh? Nice work, sound interesting

Thanks.

Interesting thought. Never thought about the Catholic concepts behind Limbo. BlinkSt made a somewhat similar point in that Sasuke won't be using the conventional 6 Paths techniques. Though it was more in that his true would be two unrelated eyes working together and possibly Onmyoudon.

I never saw that post. But I'm sure his true power will have much to do with both his Sharingan and Rinnegan, his right eye is still Sharingan for a reason.

 

[Zorø]

Not likely to happen bro

 

[UchihaGee]

interesting, this is a well done research...you might be right!!!

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

Not likely to happen bro

Sure thing, bud.

 

[Yuse]

well researched well supported i couldnt have said it better myself overall great theory

 

[Anish Chakraborty]

ur theory is quite amazing and informative too...!!

 

[Xlad]

I'd bet.

Thanks.

I never saw that post. But I'm sure his true power will have much to do with both his Sharingan and Rinnegan, his right eye is still Sharingan for a reason.

This is his thread from yesterday. It basically covers on Onmyoudon beiung the "hidden power" of the Rinnegan.

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This has become a topic of interest for some people, so I'll propose a quick idea.

It seems Sasuke's right eye will remain as his Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, while his left eye has awakened the "Rinnegan".

If Kaguya and the Shinju are any indication, it unlikely that his right eye will transform into the "Rinnegan", because Shinju was a cyclops. There are some issues with how this will affect the eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, since that requires two eyes, but I'm not too worried.


So to start with, I don't believe Sasuke will be using the conventional 6 paths [Tendo; Gakido; Shurado; Jigokudo; Chikushodo; Ningendo; Gedo]. Likely, he won't be having 6 dead bodies to control. I'm not sold on the "4 higher paths", either.


A hidden power of the Rinnegan, is Onmyoton. This was first suggested by Obito's explanation of Rikudo's Inton and Yoton powers that were divided amongst the Uchiha and Senju. It was here we first see Hagoromo with the "Sharrinnegan" design.

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Uchiha's kinjutsu, Izanagi, is based on the principles of Inton + Yoton, but normally lasts mere seconds, and varies with individual.

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Orochimaru attempted to solve this by integrating Danzo Hashirama and Shisui's dna, and many Sharingan. Obito on the other hand, being a master at controlling the dna, was more capable of practically applying Izanagi in battle.

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Later, it was confirmed that the Rinnegan, the expression of Hagoromo's chakra, uses Onmyoton in the form of Madara's black rods.

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Though somewhat minor, these rods were able to stop Sasuke's arrows. Lastly, we were shown Kabuto's Sage jutsu that allows him to bring things to life and control them.

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What I am proposing, is that while Sasuke may not regain his Sage [Senpo] powers, he will definitely gain Onmyoton-based powers. The only things that can withstand the 10 tails' Onmyoton power, are natural energy and pressure generated from physical movement [Guy's traijutsu].


However, it was confirmed this chapter that Sasuke can touch Madara's black rods without being affected.

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Thus, I believe the purpose of getting the Rinnegan, is to add Onmyoton to Sasuke's existing jutsu. The obvious ones, are Izanagi, Amaterasu, and Susano'o.

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This perhaps, is the "true power": two seemingly completely unrelated eyes functioning together, cohesively, as opposed to a mere Sharingan in which the Rinnegan as been awakened [Madara's eyes].


After all, the only person who used two distinct ocular powers together, is Sasuke, with Enton: Susano'o Kagu-Tsuchi [Which literally means "Flame Release: [He] with the ability to help by all means with Smoldering Earth/ Affixed Auxiliary Earth Lord"].

It may happen to go in this direction as a counteract to Madara's Onmyoudon if anything. Really theory from you btw.

 

[Behemoth55]

My two cents:
Spiritual energy isn't really tied to the eyes. It's a usual component of chakra like the physical energy and the basic component of "In". And actually, there isn't a difference between Nagatos and Madaras Rinnegan. They are the exactly same eyes. Madara is able to use the Rikudō-no-Jutsu like Nagato too. Nagato coudn't handle the full power of the Rinnegan like Madara due to his lack of potential and knowledge about Dōjutsu.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

My two cents:
Spiritual energy isn't really tied to the eyes. It's a usual component of chakra like the physical energy and the basic component of "In". And actually, there isn't a difference between Nagatos and Madaras Rinnegan. They are the exactly same eyes. Madara is able to use the Rikudō-no-Jutsu like Nagato too. Nagato coudn't handle the full power of the Rinnegan like Madara due to his lack of potential and knowledge about Dōjutsu.

Madara's Rinnegan developed as he had the physical energy of Hashirama (Ashura). I never suggested that Madara's Rinnegan didn't have that power, just that Nagato had only that, while Madara's Limbo diverges the two. Physical (body), spiritual (eyes), in a way, I agree, though the power of the eyes has been directly tied to spiritual energy, when speaking of Rikudo.

 

[Waindo]

Interesting theory.

 

[ANiMUS]

This is actually pretty well put together. The Uchiha is pretty much one of, if not the most religious clans of the NV so it makes sense that their clan's most powerful techniques are steeped in religion. I really also wanna see whether Sasuke will be able to amplify his Rinnengan techniques through his Susanoo like Madara did with the meteor.

 

[adeshina365]

Interesting thread as usual.

I still think that many of us will be wrong in regards to the abilities of Sasuke's "Rinnegan". Kishimoto is in a position where he can make up any power that he wants right now without it being called an "asspull". Nonetheless, your reasoning is quite sound.

My own personal hope is that Sasuke's abilities will allow him to regain the amount of dynamism and versatility last seen in his Hebi days. Naruto's weapon choice has me cautiously optimistic.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

Interesting thread as usual.

I still think that many of us will be wrong in regards to the abilities of Sasuke's "Rinnegan". Kishimoto is in a position where he can make up any power that he wants right now without it being called an "asspull". Nonetheless, your reasoning is quite sound.

My own personal hope is that Sasuke's abilities will allow him to regain the amount of dynamism and versatility last seen in his Hebi days. Naruto's weapon choice has me cautiously optimistic.

Thanks.

I can agree on this. I still think his augmentation will have more to it than just this, though.

I feel it would be quite interesting to see how some other Christian concepts are handled differently from Limbo, or perhaps even concepts from The Divine Comedy. It would be rather interesting to see how it could change his fighting style as a whole, as this would suggest that Limbo might not even be an upper tier ability. Which happens to be an ability that one shot 9 Biju.

This is actually pretty well put together. The Uchiha is pretty much one of, if not the most religious clans of the NV so it makes sense that their clan's most powerful techniques are steeped in religion. I really also wanna see whether Sasuke will be able to amplify his Rinnengan techniques through his Susanoo like Madara did with the meteor.

It seems possible. The Rinnegan/Sharingan combo will be interesting. I have no idea how the other concepts would be worked in, though, so I'm uncertain of what exactly it will be able to do.

 

[Ysmir]

Interesting and informative. Well done.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Thanks.

I can agree on this. I still think his augmentation will have more to it than just this, though.

I feel it would be quite interesting to see how some other Christian concepts are handled differently from Limbo, or perhaps even concepts from The Divine Comedy. It would be rather interesting to see how it could change his fighting style as a whole, as this would suggest that Limbo might not even be an upper tier ability. Which happens to be an ability that one shot 9 Biju.

Interesting theory and research there. Yeah, I wasn;t sure which translation was right. Limbo or Rinbou. Limbo automatically reminded me of this, but Rinbou I was unsure of and r and l have the same pronunciation in japanese.

From what I understand, correct me if I'm wrong, Limbo is another version or a neighboring hells realm of Purgatory and the buddhist equivalent to it is the Pretas or hungry ghosts. If Limbo is defined as the edge of hell, then perhaps Limbo Hengoku is some sort of combination of preta and naraka (the hells realm) when I initially thought it was either an advanced technique of deva or Madara's one of a kind doujutsu, like Kakashi and Obito's Kamui or Shisui's Koto Amatsukami. Perhaps it is Madara is absorbing or summoning etherial spirits or energies from the narakas using the preta path.

It seems possible. The Rinnegan/Sharingan combo will be interesting. I have no idea how the other concepts would be worked in, though, so I'm uncertain of what exactly it will be able to do.

Here are my theories for Madara and Sasuke's future techniques if you're interested.

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