Time for criticism?

[Jɑégar]

Ok, now everyone's happy and all hyped about dem new pages of the chapter. And after rejoicing, it's time for criticism.

This is not meant to violate or bash any character mentioned, group of people or any fan/boy.
The sole purpose of this thread is to have valid discussions, good arguments/counterarguments.
Don't bash. Respect yourself.​

The first thing am gonna talk about is Sasuke's powerup. Yes, Sasuke, although he's my favorite character. As we all have seen in the latest chapter, Sasuke got a new "single" eye. I'll call it the Sharinringan. We didn't see his new skills/moves yet, but let's have a look at Naruto's shape, look.

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As we can see Naruto's costume looks awesome, dem staffs, gudodamas, the cloak looks good. On the other hand Sasuke is Sasuke. Nothing new, same old costume with the same old Kusanagi. Not that he isn't cool, he is awesome, but it's kinda boring. I didn't like it; was unsatisfied with it. Kishi could have at least given Sasuke a new outfit, cloak, sword, anything that makes him shine.

Second: Kaguya seems to be the final villain as some people speculates... but if this happens, really?! Come on Kishi, We didn't even see more than 5 panel for her, yet make her the final villain?! I know am being harsh, maybe it's just the Juubi's consciousness that talked to Madara, but that seems nay because of this

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Last panel shows what seems like a Byakougan and a Sharinringan on the forehead exactly like Kaguya. I don't think the Juubi has a Byakougan. It has only one eye in the first place, and now they're three? Lol. If Kishi made her the final villain, it would be unfair. We need more info about her. He should give a background about her, and a reason why she's the villain.

Third: Obito seems to be asking a favor from Sakura. Could it be that he wants her to have the rinnegan for either giving it to her, so she can have it for herself to become a part of the team Sasuke and Naruto, which is what I'm going to discuss in the next point, or giving it to her in order to destroy or hide it or even give it to Sasuke. But wait, Obito is seen panting, which means he's extremely tired; will soon die. Will he give it to Sakura? If he did so, he'll straightly kick the bucket. Does that mean Sakura killed Obito? since Obito asked her to consider him as a villain. Obito, the nuke-nin who frightened the entire shinobi world, secretly led the Akatsuki, the main cause of this war, is killed by Sakura. Obito Killed by Sakura... *Echo*... I would really feel bad for Obito's fans, really.

Last point; fourth: A lot of Sakura fans seem to be infatuated by the idea of Sakura having a Rinnegan. Why do you think so fans? because she has to have enough power to fight Madara with Sasuke and Naruto. Let's say this'll happen, how is she going to withstand the power of such dojustsu that is stronger than even the MS? Well, she has Byakogu and some seals. She has Katsyu or whatever her name was. Really? That's the most stupid thing I've ever heard.
The idea of Sakura having a Rinnegan is far-fetched. And if Kishi was to make this happen. FML.

This was not meant to make fun of anyone. Just as the title infers. Criticism.
Sorry if there were grammar and spelling mistakes.​

 

[kakacarrotcake]

You have some good valid points. But one thing I want to point out is Obito might lose the rinnegan because as you said he is panting which could show hes slowly losing his grip on the zetsu as well. So Sakura might now even get the rinnegan at all.

 

[NarutoWA]

:'( :'(
my bad

 

[Flakez]

You shouldn't have expected a cloak from Sasuke. Naruto has it because of the Bijuu chakra.

He's practically a Ten-Tails host.

 

[-Akuma-]

I argee. Sasuke needs to have like A Susanoo cloak or somethin.

 

[You Know Who]

Why would u call it a "Sharinringan" when is clearly a rinnegan and just that?

 

[Hata Hideaki]

Third: Obito seems to be asking a favor from Sakura. Could it be that he wants her to have the rinnegan for either giving it to her, so she can have it for herself to become a part of the team Sasuke and Naruto, which is what I'm going to discuss in the next point, or giving it to her in order to destroy or hide it or even give it to Sasuke. But wait, Obito is seen panting, which means he's extremely tired; will soon die. Will he give it to Sakura? If he did so, he'll straightly kick the bucket. Does that mean Sakura killed Obito? since Obito asked her to consider him as a villain. Obito, the nuke-nin who frightened the entire shinobi world, secretly led the Akatsuki, the main cause of this war, is killed by Sakura. Obito Killed by Sakura... *Echo*... I would really feel bad for Obito's fans, really.

this^^^ point made me laugh..

OBITO IS KILLED BY SAKURA. OBITO IS KILLED BY SAKURA.*echo*

if that shit's gonna happen, man i'd be damned..

 

[SkyGodHorus]

As we can see Naruto's costume looks awesome, dem staffs, gudodamas, the cloak looks good. On the other hand Sasuke is Sasuke. Nothing new, same old costume with the same old Kusanagi. Not that he isn't cool, he is awesome, but it's kinda boring. I didn't like it; was unsatisfied with it. Kishi could have atleast give Sasuke a new outfit, cloak, sword, anything that makes him shine.

While I agree in part, Naruto houses Yang and thus the physical changes while Sasuke houses Yin, the eye and mental changes. I think it fits pretty well, though I wouldn'ty have minded Sasuke taking on some Genji armor like Madara or Indra or a white or black six path cloak.

Second: Kaguya seems to be the final villain... really?! Come on Kishi,

If you want to keep your criticisms objective like they were until now, let's dispense with the "reallies" "come on kishis" "asspulls" and other urban dictionary displays.

Nothing has been stated Kaguya is the final villain. Her spirit could just be guiding Madara or it could be the Shinju's conscious.

We didn't even see more than 5 panel for her, yet make her the final villain?! I know am being harsh, maybe it's just the Juubi's consciousness that talked to Madara, but that seems nay because of this

Regardless, I honestly wouldn't mind. She's been elaborated on quite a bit and I find her very compelling. Ashura and Indra have not received many panels either yet they are the sires of the Uchiha and Senju and Naruto and Sasuke are their reincarnations.

Last panel shows what seems like a Byakougan and a Sharinringan on the forehead exactly like Kaguya. I don't think the Juubi has a Byakougan. It has only one eye in the first place, and now they're three? Lol. If Kishi made her the final villain, it would be unfair. We need more info about her. He should give a background about her, and a reason why she's the villain.

He already stated her power corrupted her mind.

Third: Obito seems to be asking a favor from Sakura. Could it be that he wants her to have the rinnegan for either giving it to her, so she can have it for herself to become a part of the team Sasuke and Naruto, which is what I'm going to discuss in the next point, or giving it to her in order to destroy or hide it or even give it to Sasuke. But wait, Obito is seen panting, which means he's extremely tired; will soon die. Will he give it to Sakura? If he did so, he'll straightly kick the bucket. Does that mean Sakura killed Obito? since Obito asked her to consider him as a villain. Obito, the nuke-nin who frightened the entire shinobi world, secretly led the Akatsuki, the main cause of this war, is killed by Sakura. Obito Killed by Sakura... *Echo*... I would really feel bad for Obito's fans, really.

This is beginning to sound like a prediction rather than a criticism lol.

Last point; fourth: A lot of Sakura fans seem to be infatuated by the idea of Sakura having a Rinnegan. Why do you think so fans? because she has to have enough power to fight Madara with Sasuke and Naruto. Let's say this'll happen, how is she going to withstand the power of such dojustsu that is stronger than even the MS? Well, she has Byakogu and some seals. She has Katsyu or whatever her name was. Really? That's the most stupid thing I've ever heard.

...Are you criticizing the manga or other people's predictions?

 

[V h o]

Why would u call it a "Sharinringan" when is clearly a rinnegan and just that?

Yea but Sasuke's rinnegan has sharingan tomoes

OT: Sakura killing Obito or taking his rinnegan would be so horrible imo.

 

[rollin]

that's not kaguya that was the god tree

 

[Jɑégar]

You have some good valid points. But one thing I want to point out is Obito might lose the rinnegan because as you said he is panting which could show hes slowly losing his grip on the zetsu as well. So Sakura might now even get the rinnegan at all.

You mean *might not*? Yea, the black zetsu may do somethin.

:'( :'(
my bad

Loll for?
Naruto havin a new costume? If yes, it's Kishi's bad

You shouldn't have expected a cloak from Sasuke. Naruto has it because of the Bijuu chakra.

He's practically a Ten-Tails host.

Not the Ten Tail, The Bijuus. Keep in mind that they're not fused.
Well, at least give Sasuke a new weapon, longer hair, something like this.

I argee. Sasuke needs to have like A Susanoo cloak or somethin.

Maah *****. He definitely should.

Why would u call it a "Sharinringan" when is clearly a rinnegan and just that?

It sounds awesome plus, it has tomoes, so it's not a normal Rinnegan.

this^^^ point made me laugh..

OBITO IS KILLED BY SAKURA. OBITO IS KILLED BY SAKURA.*echo*

if that shit's gonna happen, man i'd be damned..

Hahahaha glad it did. The idea makes me too xD
Would be really sad for dem Obito fans. So sad

 

[Florio]

It doesn't make sense for Sasuke to get new clothes, where would he get them? For Naruto it makes sense because his source is the Bijuu Chakra, Sasuke doesn't have that.

 

[Jɑégar]

While I agree in part, Naruto houses Yang and thus the physical changes while Sasuke houses Yin, the eye and mental changes. I think it fits pretty well, though I wouldn'ty have minded Sasuke taking on some Genji armor like Madara or Indra or a white or black six path cloak.

That's what we want.

If you want to keep your criticisms objective like they were until now, let's dispense with the "reallies" "come on kishis" "asspulls" and other urban dictionary displays.

It's my first criticism so it won't be perfect , well am taking knowledge and experience right now =D

Nothing has been stated Kaguya is the final villain. Her spirit could just be guiding Madara or it could be the Shinju's conscious.

You could be very right. Her spirit is guiding Madara means she has a hand in this, which makes her a villain. I Gotta admit that i wrote this based on what people predict. I've never said that this criticism is for the Manga alone

Regardless, I honestly wouldn't mind. She's been elaborated on quite a bit and I find her very compelling. Ashura and Indra have not received many panels either yet they are the sires of the Uchiha and Senju and Naruto and Sasuke's reincarnations.

I didn't say she would be a bad villain. But, if Kishi popped up and made her a villain without many panels and appearances, and without knowing anything about her. It would bad for the plot.
Indra and Ashura sure were the starters of Uchiha and Senju, but the series didn't demonstrate a lot of things about them because they're considered history. Plus, Indra and Ashura had more info and backgrounds than Kaguya.

He already stated her power corrupted her mind.

But that isn't enough to make her a villain.

This is beginning to sound like a prediction rather than a criticism lol.

Consider it the way you wish it to be

...Are you criticizing the manga or other people's predictions?

Both.

 

[Jɑégar]

Yea but Sasuke's rinnegan has sharingan tomoes

OT: Sakura killing Obito or taking his rinnegan would be so horrible imo.

Yea, really horrible. =D

that's not kaguya that was the god tree

But the tree or Juubi doesn't have three eyes. This is a speculation. You may be true.

It doesn't make sense for Sasuke to get new clothes, where would he get them? For Naruto it makes sense because his source is the Bijuu Chakra, Sasuke doesn't have that.

I know. But at least a Sussanoo cloak, new wep, item. Something different.

 

[Leinad Sotam]

Ok, now everyone's happy and all hyped about dem new pages of the chapter. And after rejoicing, it's time for criticism.

This is not meant to violate or bash any character mentioned, group of people or any fan/boy.
The sole purpose of this thread is to have valid discussions, good arguments/counterarguments.
Don't bash. Respect yourself.​

The first thing am gonna talk about is Sasuke's powerup. Yes, Sasuke, although he's my favorite character. As we all have seen in the latest chapter, Sasuke got a new "single" eye. I'll call it the Sharinringan. We didn't see his new skills/moves yet, but let's have a look at Naruto's shape, look.

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As we can see Naruto's costume looks awesome, dem staffs, gudodamas, the cloak looks good. On the other hand Sasuke is Sasuke. Nothing new, same old costume with the same old Kusanagi. Not that he isn't cool, he is awesome, but it's kinda boring. I didn't like it; was unsatisfied with it. Kishi could have at least given Sasuke a new outfit, cloak, sword, anything that makes him shine.

Second: Kaguya seems to be the final villain... really?! Come on Kishi, We didn't even see more than 5 panel for her, yet make her the final villain?! I know am being harsh, maybe it's just the Juubi's consciousness that talked to Madara, but that seems nay because of this

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Last panel shows what seems like a Byakougan and a Sharinringan on the forehead exactly like Kaguya. I don't think the Juubi has a Byakougan. It has only one eye in the first place, and now they're three? Lol. If Kishi made her the final villain, it would be unfair. We need more info about her. He should give a background about her, and a reason why she's the villain.

Third: Obito seems to be asking a favor from Sakura. Could it be that he wants her to have the rinnegan for either giving it to her, so she can have it for herself to become a part of the team Sasuke and Naruto, which is what I'm going to discuss in the next point, or giving it to her in order to destroy or hide it or even give it to Sasuke. But wait, Obito is seen panting, which means he's extremely tired; will soon die. Will he give it to Sakura? If he did so, he'll straightly kick the bucket. Does that mean Sakura killed Obito? since Obito asked her to consider him as a villain. Obito, the nuke-nin who frightened the entire shinobi world, secretly led the Akatsuki, the main cause of this war, is killed by Sakura. Obito Killed by Sakura... *Echo*... I would really feel bad for Obito's fans, really.

Last point; fourth: A lot of Sakura fans seem to be infatuated by the idea of Sakura having a Rinnegan. Why do you think so fans? because she has to have enough power to fight Madara with Sasuke and Naruto. Let's say this'll happen, how is she going to withstand the power of such dojustsu that is stronger than even the MS? Well, she has Byakogu and some seals. She has Katsyu or whatever her name was. Really? That's the most stupid thing I've ever heard.
The idea of Sakura having a Rinnegan is far-fetched. And if Kishi was to make this happen. FML.

This was not meant to make fun of anyone. Just as the title infers. Criticism.
Sorry if there were grammar and spelling mistakes.​

Well on the 1st Point - I agree with you but, remember Naruto is supposed to be the reprensentation of the physical power of the Sage and Sasuke the spiritual, so I see why he has no new looks, because it´s inside of him.
2nd Point - I too feel like we don´t know much of Kaguya, but I like a female villain it´s sexy :x3:
3rd and 4th Points - No way Sakura is getting the rinnegan, but she will have an important roll, I´m sure...

That´s it :bye:

 

[Jɑégar]

Well on the 1st Point - I agree with you but, remember Naruto is supposed to be the reprensentation of the physical power of the Sage and Sasuke the spiritual, so I see why he has no new looks, because it´s inside of him.
2nd Point - I too feel like we don´t know much of Kaguya, but I like a female villain it´s sexy :x3:
3rd and 4th Points - No way Sakura is getting the rinnegan, but she will have an important roll, I´m sure...

That´s it :bye:

I said it two times before. A new weapon, susanoo cloak, longer here would be epic. At least anything new.
Female villains... lol would be guuud

 

[SkyGodHorus]

You could be very right. Her spirit is guiding Madara means she has a hand in this, which makes her a villain.

But not a final villain like you initially called her.

I Gotta admit that i wrote this based on what people predict. I've never said that this criticism is for the Manga alone

Okay....then why not put this in the title?

I didn't say she would be a bad villain. But, if Kishi popped up and made her a villain without many panels and appearances, and without knowing anything about her. It would bad for the plot.

I think we know enough about her. She's has just as much content as the juubi/shinju, if not more. She came from a mysterious place, either another land or dimension, may not have been human, wanted to end war and bring peace but in the end was corrupted by the power she stole and almost destroyed the world by ticking off the juubi and using her powers over the people, which is implied to have inspired Madara to do the same thing. She had two children, one of whom became the rikudou and sired most of the shinobi as well as the two main characters. She is also based off a real goddess from Japanese folklore and we don't know her fate yet.

Indra and Ashura sure were the starters of Uchiha and Senju, but the series didn't demonstrate a lot of things about them because they're considered history.

And how does that differentiate them from Kaguya?

Plus, Indra and Ashura had more info and backgrounds than Kaguya.

Yeah uh no they don't. They were Hagoromo's sons whose powers and personalities paralleled Naruto and Sasuke as well as Madara and Hashirama's, fought each other and died. Ashura became Hagoromo's heir and Indra became ticked off and made the Uchiha stone. That's about all we know of them.

But that isn't enough to make her a villain.

No, but all the other points I made in my opinion do make her a good villain.

Consider it the way you wish it to be

Then make an indication of that in your titles from now on.

 

[Jɑégar]

But not a final villain like you initially called her.

I am criticizing people's predictions and speculations, so I give this to those who believe she's the final villain.

Okay....then why not put this in the title?

Already said, this is my first time doing this. I had a lot to say so I forgot.

I think we know enough about her. She's has just as much content as the juubi/shinju, if not more. She came from a mysterious place, either another land or dimension, may not have been human, wanted to end war and bring peace but in the end was corrupted by the power she stole and almost destroyed the world by ticking off the juubi and using her powers over the people, which is implied to have inspired Madara to do the same thing. She had two children, one of whom became the rikudou and sired most of the shinobi as well as the two main characters. She is also based off a real goddess from Japanese folklore and we don't know her fate yet.

True, but that's not enough for her to become the final villain. Look at Madara, Obito, Orochimaru, Kabuto, and Sasuke. They all had details, backgrounds, and ideas about their past, their suffering. The information given about Kaguya are not enough. She needs more panel time.

And how does that differentiate them from Kaguya?

We're talking about the final villain here, so she is directly related. The brothers are just mentioned to show the history of Uchiha and Senju, and who are the successors.

Yeah uh no they don't. They were Hagoromo's sons whose powers and personalities paralleled Naruto and Sasuke as well as Madara and Hashirama's, fought each other and died. Ashura became Hagoromo's heir and Indra became ticked off and made the Uchiha stone. That's about all we know of them.

We knew information and backgrounds about them, their powers, who was stronger. We could fairly say they had the same panel time as Kaguya, but that's not enough.

No, but all the other points I made in my opinion do make her a good villain.

Everyone's entitled with their own opinion in this since I also gave my reasons .

Then make an indication of that in your titles from now on.

The next time I do a thread like this, I will.