Hagoromo Did Not Create The Moon After All

[GeneralOuki]

It was stated she used it on people. It never says she cast it on the moon. Show me a scan. I wouldn't hire you as a lawyer

He wouldn't even take you in as a student.

IT = requires moon

she used IT = moon required

Show me where it says only Madara and Obito require the moon.

Don't ever insult sensei again boy.

 

[vasu 32]

Do anyone here knows a difference between Myth and Truth.

@OP, It isn't just hype,but a myth as well. Legend exaggerate with time. The doings of 2 people can become the doings of only ONE.

 

[Bronze]

.......................:vincent:

I'm done here :bye:

Good, now you can GTFO.

IT was only possible by 2 people in the past, Rikudou himself, and the Sage's mother.

Rikudou because he had the juubi, Kaguya because she had the strongest sharingan. Madara is now trying to gain close to those 2. Now where do people get she didn't need the moon?

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He also describes and talks about tsukuyomi. And he specifically says his mom did it.

Thank you for your support. What you posted adds up to mine, that Madara needs the moon for Tsukuyomi, and he is trying to get close power to Kaguya.

It was stated she used it on people. It never says she cast it on the moon. Show me a scan. I wouldn't hire you as a lawyer

It doesn't need a scan. Its only the matter of understanding the context. People is a term for world. Since Kaguya ruled the world with her power, it would mean people referred to world/everyone.

Do anyone here knows a difference between Myth and Truth.

@OP, It isn't just hype,but a myth as well. Legend exaggerate with time. The doings of 2 people can become the doings of only ONE.

Exactly. He was hyped to defeat the Juubi by himself, which was proven wrong and that he needed his brother. If that myth is wrong, then I don't see why the mythical creation of moon was not true as well, especially when I brought up the scan suggesting it. There is also the scan that GeneralOuki had also brought.

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

Kaguya had a 9-Tomoe Sharingan. Who's to say she wasnt able to cast a Master Version KotoAmatsukami?

She did not create the moon man. The Sage did.

 

[GeneralOuki]

All it says it that Madara is trying to get close to Kaguya's and Hogoromo's power now that the transmigration of Indra is over. AGAIN, where does it say Kaguya used the moon to cast infinite Tukuyomi to capture these people? It doesn't she placed them in genjutsu and placed them at the roots of the god tree to keep them locked in their dream world eternally. If she had used the moon to cast everyone in a genjutsu at once....

Why isn't the world over? Are you saying it worked on everyone except her sons and they somehow beat her? That would be cool, but it was never stated she died at her sons' hands. You guys are taking words out of context and twisting them to support your theory.

You are welcomed to do that. But don't pass it off as fact when it is speculation.






.......................:vincent:

I'm done here :bye:

The world wasn't over because of the Juubi. Come on now. Also, she died remember.

His stuff > Your stuff.

He is going by what the manga says. You are not.

 

[Bronze]

Kaguya had a 9-Tomoe Sharingan. Who's to say she wasnt able to cast a Master Version KotoAmatsukami?

She did not create the moon man. The Sage did.

1st, your post doesn't make sense.
2nd, reread the thread.

 

[AGoodBoy]

The definition itself is only supporting my thread.

People is another term for ''humanity''. Based on the context, the people referred to the world, due to Kaguya controlled the world with her power. Therefore, people was a term for world/everyone.

This isn't hard to understand. Tsukuyomi can ONLY work by casting the Genjutsu on the moon to reflect on the world.

The definition also has "relatives", "a group". Meaning, it doesn't only mean humanity, it just means multiple people.

Infinite/Eternal tsukuyomi is simply a powerful genjutsu.

- Using the power of shinju(fruit/mazu/juubi), to enhance one's genjutsu capabilities, a dream world is created.[

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- People are dragged into the dream world.[

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- Possibly, they're either connected to the roots of the shinju[

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] to keep them alive and forever trapped in the illusion; Or, that first genjutsu is just unbreakable. One of those; it doesn't matter either way, but i'm inclined to believe it's the former.

The most important thing is, IS is just what's described above. An eternal dream world where people are locked in.

What you're discussing in this thread is the delivery method, which is completely seperate. IS can be applied using caster's eyes like with obito, during madara's demonstration[

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] or you can use the moon[

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]. By using the moon, you can cast the genjutsu on everyone at the same time; Without it, you have to do the genjutsu bit by bit.

Your above argument hinges on the fact that 'she used it to control the world'. Now, tell me, what exactly stops her from Genjutsu'ing an entire village, attaching them to shinju's roots, then repeating the process on the next village and so forth? Eventually, she'll trap everyone. In her time, she was by far the most powerful person; No one could stop her. So nothing stops her from walking up to people one by one, genjutsu'ing them, then hauling their ass back to shinju. Everyone else is way too weak to save those trapped or save themselves.

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Just because she possibly trapped everyone doesn't mean she did it all in one go or used the moon to do it.

 

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Doesn't exactly say anything about the moon TBH, everything is just assumptions at this point.

 

[Conspirator.]

I agree it's most likely a myth. I have heard arguments about the byakugan improving the range of the sharingan genjutsu, but that still wouldn't allow her to cast it on the whole world. I think the sage merely sealed the gedo mazo INTO the moon, as opposed to creating it.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

In no where, does it state that Kaguya used infinite tsukyomi on the whole world. Kaguya almost certainly used it small-scale.

 

[SeBa]

does he say something about his mother using the moon ? no. (her powers most of been difrrent etc.)
does the manga say that Hagoromo ''created'' the moon ? yes.

 

[SeBa]

Dude enough with the panel! It does not answer nor support your freakin claim. Find another scan to back your claim

i was thinking the exact same thing.. wtf it says something about a moon ? i mean wtf... nothing.

 

[Bronze]

The definition also has "relatives", "a group". Meaning, it doesn't only mean humanity, it just means multiple people.

Infinite/Eternal tsukuyomi is simply a powerful genjutsu.

- Using the power of shinju(fruit/mazu/juubi), to enhance one's genjutsu capabilities, a dream world is created.[

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]
- People are dragged into the dream world.[

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]
- Possibly, they're either connected to the roots of the shinju[

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] to keep them alive and forever trapped in the illusion; Or, that first genjutsu is just unbreakable. One of those; it doesn't matter either way, but i'm inclined to believe it's the former.

The most important thing is, IS is just what's described above. An eternal dream world where people are locked in.

What you're discussing in this thread is the delivery method, which is completely seperate. IS can be applied using caster's eyes like with obito, during madara's demonstration[

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] or you can use the moon[

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]. By using the moon, you can cast the genjutsu on everyone at the same time; Without it, you have to do the genjutsu bit by bit.

Your above argument hinges on the fact that 'she used it to control the world'. Now, tell me, what exactly stops her from Genjutsu'ing an entire village, attaching them to shinju's roots, then repeating the process on the next village and so forth? Eventually, she'll trap everyone. In her time, she was by far the most powerful person; No one could stop her. So nothing stops her from walking up to people one by one, genjutsu'ing them, then hauling their ass back to shinju. Everyone else is way too weak to save those trapped or save themselves.

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Just because she possibly trapped everyone doesn't mean she did it all in one go or used the moon to do it.

Kaguya with her power had ruled the world [

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]. So, coinciding the definition with the scan, the context would mean she used Tsukuyomi on the world. People is just a term for it, or in other words, ''humanity''. The definition is fitting my description.

Since she had the people/world/everyone (based on context) under her Tsukuyomi, this refers back to Madara and Obito saying Tsukuyomi eye works by reflecting the Juubi's eye on the moon to reflect it on the world [

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]. This would imply the moon had existed during her time, which contradicts Hagoromo's myth of the moon's creation.

Seems OP has been showed that he is wrong multiple times with scans that show more evidence to him creating the moon than him not. Its pretty obvious to see you are trolling at this point.

But in my personal opinion i think the moon was probably there before hagoromo was born, he simply sealed the juubi inside of it, its not like the moon disapears when the juubi shell was summoned.

And btw people when someone posts such a vauge mangascan and has a vauge explanation then passes it as proof and gets mad at those who disagree, it is obviously a troll, no need to get flustered over something so obvious

Another low-life.

 

[Mad Daz]

Seems OP has been showed that he is wrong multiple times with scans that show more evidence to him creating the moon than him not. Its pretty obvious to see you are trolling at this point.

But in my personal opinion i think the moon was probably there before hagoromo was born, he simply sealed the juubi inside of it, its not like the moon disapears when the juubi shell was summoned.

And btw people when someone posts such a vauge mangascan and has a vauge explanation then passes it as proof and gets mad at those who disagree, it is obviously a troll, no need to get flustered over something so obvious

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Infinite tsukyomi does not require the moon to be used. Read this.

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The genjutsu itself comes from the juubi's sharingan. The moon just serves to reflect the eye so that everyone is caught in it. The moon is not stated to magnify the jutsu, only make it large-scale. The genjutsu itself comes from a juubi sharingan. There is nothing disproving Hagoromo creating the moon.

 

[maniaoqan]

It wasn't stated Kaguya used Infinite Tsukiyomi on earth. What Madara plans to do and what she did are two different things. Madara wants to create altered reality which he'll posses control over it, Kaguya used it to make them obey her. 3 hypes saying Hagoromo created moon, 1 poorly made assumption that states Kaguya created the moon. Sorry I'm sticking with the manga.

 

[ReaperDeathDemonSeal]

im not here to talk about the moon or anything. after reading all these i just thought of something. sage said kaguya used her eye on people but it doesn't say that she used it for the dream world. i mean it probably says that she had some intentions to use them and she probably started using them and thats probably when the sage and his brother realized that she was going to do something evil. so they probably fight her and killed their own mother. something like that, i mean come-on people, this is soo complicated, nobody can provide any valued evidences, its all just theories that can't be prove unless kishi write them by the exact same word. he's a genius , he makes us think of a lot things and then put something brilliant we never even think about

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

Ever star soloed this thread

 

[Bronze]

Infinite tsukyomi does not require the moon to be used. Read this.

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The genjutsu itself comes from the juubi's sharingan. The moon just serves to reflect the eye so that everyone is caught in it. The moon is not stated to magnify the jutsu, only make it large-scale. The genjutsu itself comes from a juubi sharingan. There is nothing disproving Hagoromo creating the moon.

''With that horrible Dojutsu, she used it to control people''

That is what Hagoromo said, which means she used it on the world, thus moon was required.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Kaguya with her power had ruled the world [

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]. So, coinciding the definition with the scan, the context would mean she used Tsukuyomi on the world. People is just a term for it, or in other words, ''humanity''. The definition is fitting my description.

Since she had the people/world/everyone (based on context) under her Tsukuyomi, this refers back to Madara and Obito saying Tsukuyomi eye works by reflecting the Juubi's eye on the moon to reflect it on the world [

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] [

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]. This would imply the moon had existed during her time, which contradicts Hagoromo's myth of the moon's creation.

She did it a portion at a time. You regurgitating the same line "Kaguya with her power had ruled the world" doesn't disprove that fact, nor does it even suggest she ever used the moon.