Hagoromo Did Not Create The Moon After All

[Bronze]

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Thanks to the latest chapters, we got a confirmation that Hagoromo had never really created the moon. In other words, it was all hype. I will lead to the scans directly.

These 3 panels suggests that Hagoromo created the moon:

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However, according to Hagoromo, this has never happened. I will take it a bit further.

Kaguya, when she ate the fruit, she gained the Juubi's eye, and with it she took control over the whole world. This scan disproves the hype of Hagoromo creating the moon:

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It says: She used the Genjutsu on the people of the world, through her Sharingan. Since Hagoromo has good idea of how Tsukuyomi eye moon works, it would imply she used the Tsukuyomi to manipulate the world, which would make sense, as she has the Juubi's eye.

The Tsukuyomi eye can only work by casting the Genjutsu on the moon to reflect upon the world. This would only the moon had already existed during her time for the Genjutsu to actually work. In other words, the moon had already existed during Kaguya's time, which was before Hagoromo's time.

So in all summary really, Hagoromo was all hype, nothing more. He never created the moon, as latest chapters disproved it.

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[itach15]

Kaguya made a different thing, rest is plot hole Lol

 

[HashiraMadara]

You thread stealer! the other guy made that thread, where is the honor?

 

[Bronze]

Kaguya made a different thing, rest is plot hole Lol

Show me a scan that she used different method? Tsukuyomi eye moon only works by casting the Genjutsu on the moon. Since the scan implies it, Hagoromo never created the moon in that case.

You thread stealer! the other guy made that thread, where is the honor?

I didn't steal it from anyone.

 

[SAGE OF ALL ELEMENTS]

With so much information given in the manga saying that he created the moon, then he probrably did.

Like you said "Imply that she used infinite Tsukyomi to maniuplate the world". Keyword : Imply.

Maybe , it was in some other faishon?

 

[TenthHokagexRamen]

or maybe she was just that strong that she didn't need a moon

 

[itach15]

Kaguya was at a total level superior to the Sage, I do not think she has need Moon for help

 

[Everztar]

Kaguya has the eye of the juubi... because she ate the fruit... she didn't need a moon.

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Madara, Obito on the other hand only have Sharingan/Rinnegan and therefore they're gonna command the Juubi to cast the Infinite Tsukuyomi.

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[Bronze]

With so much information given in the manga saying that he created the moon, then he probrably did.

Like you said "Imply that she used infinite Tsukyomi to maniuplate the world". Keyword : Imply.

Maybe , it was in some other faishon?

''Imply'' was on my part. She used it to control the world. Madara and Obito had made it clear the Tsukuyomi eye works by casting the Genjutsu on the moon.

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[Lightbringer]

Kaguya has the Byakugan, enabling her to see vast distances and cast genjutsu on everyone she sees.

 

[Narutoga]

Madara lacks the powerful eyes of the juubi and is unable to cast the IT, to improvise he has to use the eye of the juubi itself to cast the genjutsu on the moon for it to work
....you also have no proof that kaguya used infinite tsukyomi as it her sons would also be caught in this genjutsu..also the fact that she was worshipped by others infers that the people at her time were sane and were not in any genjutsu

 

[Bronze]

Madara lacks the powerful eyes of the juubi and is unable to cast the ET, to improvise he has to use the eye of the juubi itself to cast the genjutsu on the moon for it to work
....you also have no proof that kaguya used eternal tsukyomi as it her sons would also be caught in this genjutsu..also the fact that she was worshipped by others infers that the people at her time were sane and were not in any genjutsu

She did:

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Kaguya has the Byakugan, enabling her to see vast distances and cast genjutsu on everyone she sees.

That's nothing but an speculation.

 

[Umari Senju]

or maybe she was just that strong that she didn't need a moon

this. She had the Juubi's eye. Since she ate the fruit her doujutsu was probably 1000 stronger than the Sharingan. She probably just cast it over the world. But then your theory could be true and it was all hype.

 

[Lightbringer]

She did:

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That's nothing but an speculation.

How is that speculation? She has the byakugan and the byakugan grants one the ability to see vast distances. Two and two go together.

She see's far, and can also cast genjutsu on what she sees.

 

[Bronze]

Why are people bringing up this:

''She was too powerful that she didn't need the moon''

It doesn't matter how powerful she is. Its a fact you need the moon for Tsukuyomi eye to work successfully. Or this one:

''She had Byakugan to see through distance''

Lmao.

Just like how it was hypebole that Hagoromo defeated the Juubi by himself, its a hypebole he created the moon.

How is that speculation? She has the byakugan and the byakugan grants one the ability to see vast distances. Two and two go together.

She see's far, and can also cast genjutsu on what she sees.

Your speculation would only make sense if her Byakugan and Sharingan were merged together. In any case, they weren't, so its impossible for her to use it. She extended her vision through Byakugan. The Sharingan itself doesn't extend vision, so she can cast genjutsu across distance.

 

[IndraReborn]

What if he meant she individually used her eye on people tho, like in code geass. But i really have no idea haha

 

[Asami..]

1. It says she controlled people, not everyone in the world

2. Itachi, Madara, Kakashi, and Sasuke have all controlled people with their eyes and didn't do so using the moon, so that doesn't mean she used the moon to control people. Your thread has failed.

 

[Lightbringer]

Why are people bringing up this:

''She was too powerful that she didn't need the moon''

It doesn't matter how powerful she is. Its a fact you need the moon for Tsukuyomi eye to work successfully. Or this one:

''She had Byakugan to see through distance''

Lmao.

Just like how it was hypebole that Hagoromo defeated the Juubi by himself, its a hypebole he created the moon.



Your speculation would only make sense if her Byakugan and Sharingan were merged together. In any case, they weren't, so its impossible for her to use it. She extended her vision through Byakugan. The Sharingan itself doesn't extend vision, so she can cast genjutsu across distance.

She has the total sum of the Juubi's chakra.

Obito planned on having the Juubi cast genjutsu on the moon which is roughly 200,000 miles away. I'd say she can cast it pretty far.

 

[Bronze]

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I love it when people deny facts so they can listen to their speculation. Tsukuyomi eye can only work by casting the Genjutsu on the moon in order to reflect it upon the world. That is the ONLY way. Hagoromo did not create the moon.

1. It says she controlled people, not everyone in the world

2. Itachi, Madara, Kakashi, and Sasuke have all controlled people with their eyes and didn't do so using the moon, so that doesn't mean she used the moon to control people. Your thread has failed.

''People'' is just another term for everyone referring to the world. My thread remains factual, dickshit.

She has the total sum of the Juubi's chakra.

Obito planned on having the Juubi cast genjutsu on the moon which is roughly 200,000 miles away. I'd say she can cast it pretty far.

Her Byakugan and Sharingan are separated. They're not merged, thus she cant combine them both.

 

[Umari Senju]

Why are people bringing up this:

''She was too powerful that she didn't need the moon''

It doesn't matter how powerful she is. Its a fact you need the moon for Tsukuyomi eye to work successfully. Or this one:

''She had Byakugan to see through distance''

Lmao.

Just like how it was hypebole that Hagoromo defeated the Juubi by himself, its a hypebole he created the moon.



Your speculation would only make sense if her Byakugan and Sharingan were merged together. In any case, they weren't, so its impossible for her to use it. She extended her vision through Byakugan. The Sharingan itself doesn't extend vision, so she can cast genjutsu across distance.

you act as if the scan you provided us irrefutable proof that she cast Infinite Tskuyomi on the world. Hogoromo's words were she used her doujutsu to cast genjutsu on people. It said nothing of her casting Infinite Tsukuyomi nor casting it on the entire world.

Yours is a theory an assumption, implied not proof.