[VS] Gai Vs Sasuke

[Brooks]

I have brought out this point as well, many times in fact that the chakra built-up for Amaterasu is pretty damn fast that even Nagato couldn't sense it.

It seems people here like to twist things in order to prove something(which I don't know the whole point behind it).​

 

[Haizaki]

God, sometimes it's so strange to spell things out for grown posters. I have highlighted the importance of '10 KM' Blast Radius several times. I am bamboozled that you seem to disregard the 'potency and power' of the blast, which expanded to 10 whole kilometers before dying out. The fact that Manda caught it almost at the core - Sasuke was very close to Deidara - says a hell lot about his durability. Do I have to repeat it again, for would this suffice?

Of no relevance..you've been proven wrong about this yet you still argue..anyways I won't dwell on that..to think you honestly believe Manda would just take Asaukujaku and still continue the battle..I have no words for you

Oh boy:



So, you are telling me that a technique that has a solid finishing point - it lasts for a short time, in fact - is capable of producing infinite number of techniques or punches within a technique? Please, use a bit of common sense. That is obviously hyperbolic.

I was simply making reference to the viz media which actually says "Infinite number of fists"..That's all..kishi states that it's a certain death, so I didn't see where he wrote "but Manda survives it"

Are you still clinging onto this? You are wrong, period. The manga states he didn't heal, so he didn't. Your retorts are irrelevant.

Lool I don't care what you say..all I know was he also fought Itachi and wasn't healed as well..I'm not saying Manga didn't say he healed..he fought Itachi after he was badly injured from Deidara..That's all

The fact that Minato didn't evade Ae's punch with Base speed proves you wrong. Only a moron would even assume that Minato's base speed or Reflexes are anywhere near V2 Ae's with whom even MS could barely keep up and Chee called his reflexes are like 'Flashes of Light'. I have heard many things in favour of Minato, but this nonsense is off the charts.

You brought in Kimi yourself, and then phased into Bee logic. Not my fault that you cannot construct analogies.

Bee is a Kenjutsu user and all Kenjutsu users have high-strike rates. It's sheer lunacy to assume that Minato's speed Matches FTG in any form whatsoever. After covering the distance from point A to B, he moves at his own speed to strike. That speed can be countered by fast opponents - a fact Manga established through Bee, who easily reacted to Minato twice.

I brought in Kimmi but you clearly twisted what I said

Funny how you make things up...Minato's base speed?..who's talking about that?...You mentioned "FTG user" and I addressed that

You also talk about reaction rates?..lool thanks for assuming again...I'm pretty sure the only time we saw Minato's base speed was when he saved Naruto from Obito..you saying Ay's reaction rates FAR outclasses Minato's is just your own assumption considering we've not really seen Minato's..You came up with that

Again you speak of Minato evading Ay's speed...Yes he did it with teleportation at that time...does that mean his base speed is not faster than Ay's base speed?...Ay was at full speed and Minato evaded him with teleportation..Ay also said they clashed many times and said Minato was faster...that's all he said..us only seeing them fight once doesn't mean anything..the fact Ay said he's faster, then he's faster...stop trying to twist it by saying he meant teleportation..unless Ay comes out and says Minato is faster in regards to teleportation and not base speed, then we can talk..but for now, you have no evidence in regards to Ay's base speed and reaction rates being faster than Minato when they're both in base..nothing to argue

What's funny is that you try to put words in my mouth...when did I say Minato's base speed or reflexes are faster than V2 AY?..Lool you're funny

You say all kenjutsu users have fast rates?..even chojuro as well?..Please..not all of them

 

[Haizaki]

I believe you are wrong about the manda aspect. He can't take asakujaku and still be in this fight at the very least...

and stop comparing Minatos speed to ays speed when ay already said minato was above him

Lol he believes Manda can take asakujaku

 

[MightGai]

It proves that you're full of shi_t by giving sick Itachi Amaterasu feat to someone at the level of Sasuke.

The second link proves what Itachi was using wasn't Amaterasu but rather Kotoamatsukami...​

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See what that proves?​

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^Here is Itachi using Amaterasu at the bottom of the scan.​

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^And the top of the next page...you can see the Amaterasu was instant and killed the Pain dogs.​

Lul his right eye bled, Nagato sensed the change in pressure (like Zetsu did back then) but Itachi wasn't using Amaterasu... sure.

Just to bury what little hope you have for your theory:

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Kotoamatsukami reacts to Itachi's Mangekyou, ergo he was using his Mangekyou technique, ergo he was readying a Amaterasu.

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Was that Amaterasu instant as well?

Please continue, you're my temporal source of amusement.

 

[Brooks]

Lul his right eye bled, Nagato sensed the change in pressure (like Zetsu did back then) but Itachi wasn't using Amaterasu... sure

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Huh, What? Why did Nagato stated himself that Itachi wasn't the Amaterasu if he was using the technique? Nagato first assumed Itachi was using the Amaterasu at first, then he came to realize he was wrong.​

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Nagato:"...It's Not Amaterasu...?"

Having a hard time understanding that much?​

Just to bury what little hope you have for your theory:

Oh, please do so...​

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Kotoamatsukami reacts to Itachi's Mangekyou, ergo he was using his Mangekyou technique, ergo he was readying a Amaterasu.

How does the Kotoamatsukami freeing Itachi out of the Edo Tensei equal to him using a Mangekyou technique? Do you have any idea as to what you're saying?​

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Was that Amaterasu instant as well?

Oh, kid...I don't see the point behind that scan? Just what are you trying to prove?​

Please continue, you're my temporal source of amusement.

I'm guessing that comment was made to make you lool like some kind of a bad-ass but all you did was fail.​

 

[shelke]

It seems people here like to twist things in order to prove something(which I don't know the whole point behind it).​

Exactly. Tired of interpretations. The crow immediately came out as his MS reacted to it, so it was obviously KA.

Of no relevance..you've been proven wrong about this yet you still argue..anyways I won't dwell on that..to think you honestly believe Manda would just take Asaukujaku and still continue the battle..I have no words for you



I was simply making reference to the viz media which actually says "Infinite number of fists"..That's all..kishi states that it's a certain death, so I didn't see where he wrote "but Manda survives it"



Lool I don't care what you say..all I know was he also fought Itachi and wasn't healed as well..I'm not saying Manga didn't say he healed..he fought Itachi after he was badly injured from Deidara..That's all



I brought in Kimmi but you clearly twisted what I said

Funny how you make things up...Minato's base speed?..who's talking about that?...You mentioned "FTG user" and I addressed that

You also talk about reaction rates?..lool thanks for assuming again...I'm pretty sure the only time we saw Minato's base speed was when he saved Naruto from Obito..you saying Ay's reaction rates FAR outclasses Minato's is just your own assumption considering we've not really seen Minato's..You came up with that

Again you speak of Minato evading Ay's speed...Yes he did it with teleportation at that time...does that mean his base speed is not faster than Ay's base speed?...Ay was at full speed and Minato evaded him with teleportation..Ay also said they clashed many times and said Minato was faster...that's all he said..us only seeing them fight once doesn't mean anything..the fact Ay said he's faster, then he's faster...stop trying to twist it by saying he meant teleportation..unless Ay comes out and says Minato is faster in regards to teleportation and not base speed, then we can talk..but for now, you have no evidence in regards to Ay's base speed and reaction rates being faster than Minato when they're both in base..nothing to argue

What's funny is that you try to put words in my mouth...when did I say Minato's base speed or reflexes are faster than V2 AY?..Lool you're funny

You say all kenjutsu users have fast rates?..even chojuro as well?..Please..not all of them

Proven wrong about what? I am well-aware of these scans. Don't dump your sub-par comprehension on me.

So he has to write Manda survives it to be a factor for you? What kind of logic is this? Lol Manda durability is insane, given the factors I highlighted. Afternoon Tiger is nothing but a Fast Punch. It's insane to even compare Deidara's 10 KM Bomb's potency close to the core with this. Borderline ridiculous.

Nice back-paddling. I never mentioned Ae's speed without the shroud for comparisons. Your point is as irrelevant as it can get. The fact that Manga shows that Minato never dodged Ae's full speed without Teleportation immediately factors in FTG. Minato couldn't overpower Ae all those years as well. So what's your point, as I am lost here?

Sasuke is one of the fastest characters in the manga. Whether you agree with this or not shouldn't be anyone's problem.

 

[MightGai]

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Huh, What? Why did Nagato stated himself that Itachi wasn't the Amaterasu if he was using the technique? Nagato first assumed Itachi was using the Amaterasu at first, then he came to realize he was wrong.​

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Nagato:"...It's Not Amaterasu...?"

Having a hard time understanding that much?​

Oh, please do so...​

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How does the Kotoamatsukami freeing Itachi out of the Edo Tensei equal to him using a Mangekyou technique? Do you have any idea as to what you're saying?​

Oh, kid...I don't see the point behind that scan? Just what are you trying to prove?​

I'm guessing that comment was made to make you lool like some kind of a bad-ass but all you did was fail.​

Sorry, I was laughing for about 5 mins before posting this, couldn't keep control of the keyboard and muscles.

Nagato didn't state anything, he was confused. See that little "?" at the end of "It's not Amaterasu?" , that means it's a question, not a statement.

Now that basic English comprehension has been established, let's proceed with a little explanation of what happened there. Beforehand, Itachi rigged the crow with the eye (thus nullifying any chance of him casting Koto Amatsukami since he needed that eye) to react to HIS Mangekyou, like stated many times. So, while under Edo Tensei (Friendly reminder: he couldn't control his actions during that time) he tried to cast Amaterasu on Naruto , activating HIS (code word here: his = Itachi) Mangekyou and forcing the trap to trigger (trap = rigged crow).

So far so good? Are you following? Cool, let's move on.

After the crow came out with Shisui's eye already on Mangekyou, Itachi's eye started dripping blood, clear sign that a Mangekyou technique has been activated. Nagato sensed the change of pressure , like Zetsu did (which begs the question: what did Zetsu sensed back then if it wasn't Amaterasu? Another Koto Amatsukami?) and tried to warn Naruto of Amaterasu. The crow reacted to this and casted Koto Amatsukami on Itachi, thus giving control of his body again enabling Itachi temporally stopping Amaterasu. That's why Nagato was confused about it, because he didn't know Itachi regained control of his body and stopped the technique. And then the explanation of Itachi about what happened.

Please continue, you're being funnier by the minute.

 

[shelke]

^ That was clearly a rhetoric question. Let's share a laugh or two now, as you obviously have little clue about comprehension.

Zetsu sensed the change in the Temperature surrounding Itachi first, actually:

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He never sensed Chakra built up.

 

[MightGai]

^ That was clearly a rhetoric question. Let's share a laugh or two now, as you obviously have little clue about comprehension.

Zetsu sensed the change in the Temperature surrounding Itachi first, actually:

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He never sensed Chakra built up.

I never said Zetsu sensed chakra, I said he sensed a change in air pressure, just like Nagato did before Itachi activating his Amaterasu. Thanks for burying his theory

 

[shelke]

^ Air Pressure? LOL

 

[MightGai]

^ Air Pressure? LOL

Zetsu: "The air arround Itachi is changing"
Nagato: "This pressure....!"


Please continue, you're not as funny as the other one but still, you're a good spare.

 

[Brooks]

Sorry, I was laughing for about 5 mins before posting this, couldn't keep control of the keyboard and muscles.

What part were you laughing at? Or maybe your stupidity got the best of you? I'm going with the second one.​

Nagato didn't state anything, he was confused. See that little "?" at the end of "It's not Amaterasu?" , that means it's a question, not a statement.

Now that basic English comprehension has been established, let's proceed with a little explanation of what happened there. Beforehand, Itachi rigged the crow with the eye (thus nullifying any chance of him casting Koto Amatsukami since he needed that eye) to react to HIS Mangekyou, like stated many times. So, while under Edo Tensei (Friendly reminder: he couldn't control his actions during that time) he tried to cast Amaterasu on Naruto , activating HIS (code word here: his = Itachi) Mangekyou and forcing the trap to trigger (trap = rigged crow).

So far so good? Are you following? Cool, let's move on.

After the crow came out with Shisui's eye already on Mangekyou, Itachi's eye started dripping blood, clear sign that a Mangekyou technique has been activated. Nagato sensed the change of pressure , like Zetsu did (which begs the question: what did Zetsu sensed back then if it wasn't Amaterasu? Another Koto Amatsukami?) and tried to warn Naruto of Amaterasu. The crow reacted to this and casted Koto Amatsukami on Itachi, thus giving control of his body again enabling Itachi temporally stopping Amaterasu. That's why Nagato was confused about it, because he didn't know Itachi regained control of his body and stopped the technique. And then the explanation of Itachi about what happened..

I know you're having a hard understand this....so, i'm going to go as slow as possible into making you understand it.

Step 1: The Crow came out Naruto before Itachi's eyes were bleeding(as to what you claim was him using the Amaterasu) but that wasn't case as the crow was heading straight to Itachi.

Note: That Itachi saying "Good It Came out..."? Which would indicate the crow would get him out of the Edo Tensei...​

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Step 2: Now, on the next the page....if you look at the left side in the middle of the scan...you will see Itachi left seems to be bleeding after his eye makes a contact with the crow and this all before Nagato claimed Itachi was using the Amaterasu...which would all indicate that process of Itachi getting free of the Edo Tensei had already started Viz Kotoamatsukami....​

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Step 3: On the top of the page of 3....Itachi is bleeding which isn't something that started at the point as how I explained to your tiny brain that the process started at page two....now, look at the middle of the page as the crow is about to complete the process(which in Itachi opens his eyes.....something you claim of him using the Amaterasu) What nonsense.​

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Now, before you teach anyone the basics of the English language...do yourself a favor and learn how to read a basic Manga.​

Please continue, you're being funnier by the minute

Funnier? That's how you hide from getting your ass handed to you?​

 

[shelke]

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- I don't see any 'Air' reference. Air and Pressure are not related without context.

Funny? Not quite. Your Oscar Wilde - esque wit will win over many fans though.

 

[MightGai]

What part were you laughing at? Or maybe your stupidity got the best of you? I'm going with the second one.​

I know you're having a hard understand this....so, i'm going to go as slow as possible into making you understand it.

Step 1: The Crow came out Naruto before Itachi's eyes were bleeding(as to what you claim was him using the Amaterasu) but that wasn't case as the crow was heading straight to Itachi.

Note: That Itachi saying "Good It Came out..."? Which would indicate the crow would get him out of the Edo Tensei...​

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Step 2: Now, on the next the page....if you look at the left side in the middle of the scan...you will see Itachi left seems to be bleeding after his eye makes a contact with the crow and this all before Nagato claimed Itachi was using the Amaterasu...which would all indicate that process of Itachi getting free of the Edo Tensei had already started Viz Kotoamatsukami....​

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Step 3: On the top of the page of 3....Itachi is bleeding which isn't something that started at the point as how I explained to your tiny brain that the process started at page two....now, look at the middle of the page as the crow is about to complete the process(which in Itachi opens his eyes.....something you claim of him using the Amaterasu) What nonsense.

Now, before you teach anyone the basics of the English language...do yourself a favor and learn how to read a basic Manga.​

Funnier? That's how you hide from getting your ass handed to you?​

I knew you wouldn't let me down.

1) The crow came out when Itachi activated the Mangekyou, not after and not before:

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Pretty much rendering the rest of your theory nil, but let's continue. The crow wasn't heading towards Itachi:

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Compare the size of the crow with the size of Itachi and Naruto, clearly it was near the latter (not that it has anything to do with the theory but still, it's fun to prove you wrong).

2) Learn to paste a link btw. If you're refering to this scan:

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two quick things: It only says "ooze" from Itachi's right eye, meaning it's only bleeding from there, and if you look at the square directly below it you will see that Itachi had that little marking below his eye even when he was alive. And the theory goes boom!.

3) Sorry, already broke your theory on 2, thought this one had anything more interesting.

Please keep going, I still have some time left for you.

 

[MightGai]

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- I don't see any 'Air' reference. Air and Pressure are not related without context.

Funny? Not quite. Your Oscar Wilde - esque wit will win over many fans though.

You're right, it's not related without context....except in this case, the context is that in both occasions, after stating the change of pressure arround Itachi, it was followed not too far away by an Amaterasu.

Come on, keep up, the other guy is tearing a new one on you.

 

[SuperChief]

Sasuke wins this with low difficulty. Really, nothing short of EG Gai will be enough.

 

[shelke]

You're right, it's not related without context....except in this case, the context is that in both occasions, after stating the change of pressure arround Itachi, it was followed not too far away by an Amaterasu.

Come on, keep up, the other guy is tearing a new one on you.

Oh please, do bring out the Pressure context in Zetsu's statement.

Are you trying to be funny?

 

[MightGai]

Oh please, do bring out the Pressure context in Zetsu's statement.

Are you trying to be funny?

Already been brought by Itachi himself after he cast Amaterasu.

I'm not funny, I'm just laughing a little bit. Just asking for the lolz, what was what Nagato and Zetsu sensed on Itachi?

 

[shelke]

^ I am still flabbergasted with your elaborate connection between Amaterasu and Air Pressure.

Clearly not.

 

[Latios]

My friend asked me to close this thread for an unknown reason and I will. I think I see why he wanted me to close this thread a little bit. If you want me to open it back up again, VM me your reason.