Four Red Yang Formation...

[Gold Lightning]

Was just wondering, can the Hokage's perform this jutsu on their own? As in through the use of an extra 3 shadow clones? I know it's a Kage calibre jutsu but in the past when would you get 4 Kage level ninja together at one time to perform such a jutsu.

You'd think Hashirama or at least sage Hashirama would be able to pull it off with wood clones. Hiruzen probably wouldn't be able to in his old age I don't think but it should have been possible in his youth. And Minato and Tobirama both have large chakra so I don't see why it couldn't be pulled off.

Or do you guys think it absolutely requires 4 Hokage level ninja at one time to do. Obviously it looked more badass if all 4 Hokage did it together so of course kishi would show it like that but realistically could it be done solo?

 

[Gein]

Im sure they could do it with shadow clones. It probably uses a vast amount of chakra though. Plus already splitting chakra into 4

 

[Touken]

Tobirama can't, he can only make 2 Shadow Clones while maintaining the barrier. Hiruzen can't since he's got poor chakra levels as an old man, base Minato can't but I think BM/KCM Minato can make sufficient enough Shadow Clones, and Hashirama most definitely should be able to.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Yup albeit to a weaker extent.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Tobirama can't, he can only make 2 Shadow Clones while maintaining the barrier. Hiruzen can't since he's got poor chakra levels as an old man, base Minato can't but I think BM/KCM Minato can make sufficient enough Shadow Clones, and Hashirama most definitely should be able to.

Pretty sure Tobirama could only do 2 because he was in Edo. " swear I remember him saying "I too am in a sorry state". And I'm pretty sure a sage minato could since the barrier doesn't take a minute to create, it would just use up all the senjutsu in ine go I'd presume. That is if it's possible to do it single-handedly that is.

 

[Bogard]

The Shisekiyōjin is the strongest barrier human based and only Hokage levels can do with. It requires insane level of chakras though, so i think only Hashirama and BM Minato could to it with clones(base Minato can't), but there exist smaller barriers like the Shishienjin that even chunin level ninjas could do [

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[Xlad]

I'm pretty sure they can do it by themselves. Four Hokages were performing it together because it was more efficient that way I believe. It wouldn't make sense that four Hokage levels ninjas is a requirement since they obviously lives in different periods.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Yes they can, each of the Hokage have already shown to maintain 1 corner of the barrier using only 1 clone. Logically, they can do the same with 4 clones. Albeit, on a smaller scale. The durability of the barrier likely stays the same.

 

[Gold Lightning]

I'm pretty sure they can do it by themselves. Four Hokages were performing it together because it was more efficient that way I believe. It wouldn't make sense that four Hokage levels ninjas is a requirement since they obviously lives in different periods.

That's what i thought too. They should be able to themselves, what sense would it be to have a jutsu like that in your arsenal but never have the opportunity I your life time to use it because you're the only one who can U_U.

Plus when Gai said it was a Kage calibre jutsu, maybe he was referring to the difficulty in learning and pulling it off rather than the chakra and stamina needed.

 

[Touken]

Pretty sure Tobirama could only do 2 because he was in Edo. " swear I remember him saying "I too am in a sorry state". And I'm pretty sure a sage minato could since the barrier doesn't take a minute to create, it would just use up all the senjutsu in ine go I'd presume. That is if it's possible to do it single-handedly that is.

Ah, I thought he said that because he had to prioritize on maintaining the barrier. SM Minato might be able to, using this technique by yourself is to do with whether you've got enough chakra for it or not (that's if you know how to execute the technique, considering Gai did say it's a kage calibre barrier). If SM Minato has enough chakra to make 3 Shadow Clones while maintaining the barrier then yes, he could do it, although I'm not sure how big SM Minato's chakra reserves are.

 

[Lightbringer]

I think to perfrom the technique, one needs a certain level of chakra which is why no hokage could do it on their own, since shadow clones only possess a fraction of the user's chakra.

 

[LuckyMan]

Tobirama can't, he can only make 2 Shadow Clones while maintaining the barrier. Hiruzen can't since he's got poor chakra levels as an old man, base Minato can't but I think BM/KCM Minato can make sufficient enough Shadow Clones, and Hashirama most definitely should be able to.

Yet he made 4 shadow clones and preformed arguably the most powerful large scale elemental attacks we have ever seen without even using hand seals. Hand seals make your jutsu stronger and the chakra control precise to a tee. He just streamed them from his mouth casually which required an enormous amount of chakra to preform especially considering his chakra was split between 5 people. He can certainly preform the barrier via clones.

 

[Xlad]

That's what i thought too. They should be able to themselves, what sense would it be to have a jutsu like that in your arsenal but never have the opportunity I your life time to use it because you're the only one who can U_U.

Plus when Gai said it was a Kage calibre jutsu, maybe he was referring to the difficulty in learning and pulling it off rather than the chakra and stamina needed.

Or maybe it was both stamina and level of difficulty. But I think so as well since Gai is also considered Kage level himself in a sense that he rivals Kakashi.

 

[Touken]

Yet he made 4 shadow clones and preformed arguably the most powerful large scale elemental attacks we have ever seen without even using hand seals. Hand seals make your jutsu stronger and the chakra control precise to a tee. He just streamed them from his mouth casually which required an enormous amount of chakra to preform especially considering his chakra was split between 5 people. He can certainly preform the barrier via clones.

You can't execute elemental ninjutsu without hand seals, they just weren't shown. The fact that he didn't make any Shadow Clones while maintaining the barrier bears the indication that he can't make Shadow Clones while maintaining the barrier. I guess I was wrong, he doesn't have poor chakra reserves, but he definitely doesn't have enough chakra to make the barrier by himself. He probably could do in his prime though.

 

[Bogard]

Minato intended to use a barrier here [

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[maniaoqan]

Hashirama might pull it off though. Man is a beast. I dont think any other can.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Ah, I thought he said that because he had to prioritize on maintaining the barrier. SM Minato might be able to, using this technique by yourself is to do with whether you've got enough chakra for it or not (that's if you know how to execute the technique, considering Gai did say it's a kage calibre barrier). If SM Minato has enough chakra to make 3 Shadow Clones while maintaining the barrier then yes, he could do it, although I'm not sure how big SM Minato's chakra reserves are.

Hashirama made more clones but was annoyed that he could only create a few with the barrier holding him back then immediately after Tobirama made 2 clones saying "2 was his best" (while performing the barrier). That's after they created the barrier, so I assume it would have been easier if he created a fee clones before creating the barrier and then he performed the jutsu. And Gai may aphave only been referring to the difficulty to master such a jutsu. Because he only said 'Kage calibre', he didn't say it takes 4 Kage or more than one to perform.

As for minato, we know sage mode users have enormous chakra, hence jiraya having a 5 in stamina in the databook. Plus senjutsu increases the power of a jutsu, so even if it's a slightly weaker barrier performing it by yourself, senjutsu should kind if balance it out in a way. Plus he teleported the Juubi dama in base without any sign of effort so his base chakra must be above decent.

I'm guessing if they were able to perform the barrier themselves, they wouldn't be able to make any more clones except Hashirama maybe. Or maybe only 1 clone more.

 

[Bronze]

No they cant, because if they can, then Hashirama or Minato with Bijuu mode would have used it themselves, and allowed other Hokages to help out the alliance. However, they didn't, because the barrier is collaboration Ninjutsu, and can only be used with a team.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Or maybe it was both stamina and level of difficulty. But I think so as well since Gai is also considered Kage level himself in a sense that he rivals Kakashi.

Gai isn't great at ninjutsu so I doubt he'd be able to learn something that difficult anyway. Hashirama even said it's a difficult barrier to use or learn if I remember right.

 

[Bogard]

No they cant, because if they can, then Hashirama or Minato with Bijuu mode would have used it themselves, and allowed other Hokages to help out the alliance. However, they didn't, because the barrier is collaboration Ninjutsu, and can only be used with a team.

The barrier isn't a collaborative jutsu at all. It only depends on the chakra reserve you put in it. Jubito used a similar barrier(but stronger) alone. Minato didn't have BM at the start of the war anyway