Who's the better villain: Madara or Cell?

[TheAncientCenturion]

Except we don't even know if the universe contains fighters powerful enough for Cell to even bother absorbing.He could've done something like that if Gohan had'nt killed him, given what Cell said about travelling the universe and laying waste to it.At the time however Cell was only following his natural programming, which was to absorb Androids 17&18 and become the ultimate being.

The Universe had generally stronger alien life than Earth, and he bothered to absorb them for power. And with Frieza and King Cold's cell's in him, he should f been WELL AWARE of other thousands of aliens that made earthlings look pathetic. He couldn't. Once in the Perfect Form, he lost the ability TO absorb. Cell was not strictly an android. He was primarily biological, not to mention all of Gero's creations with the exception of 19 broke his programming and did as they pleased.

He is a villain who makes no sense and shouldn't be compared to any Naruto villain's, who have at least action or reasons to back up what they do and don't randomly loose their brain and focus on a task that isn't as productive as another.

Didn't Nagato, Obito, and Madara all want the same thing with a different approach? :|

They all wanted Peace, but their reasons and ways to it differ greatly.

Obito wanted peace to see Rin again, and generally undo all the hatred by making some Utopia in the Infinite Tsukuyomi.

Nagato wanted to share pain and make everyone far too frightened to go to war again, similar to Mutually assured destruction and a bit of the side effects of the Treaty of Vienna after the Napoleonic wars.

Madara's a bit different. He wants peace, or control it seems like it more. It's basically been said that power has corrupted Madara. While he had decent intentions at the beginning, what happened to Kaguya now is happening to him. He's just after more and more power. And nothing is more powerful then the Infinit Tsukuyomi.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

That is barely a depth motive. Almost every character in DBZ wants the same thing. A villain is no longer good villain, if he/she has same motive as all the other ones do. He killed them physically, but not mentally as Hagoromo came to their aid. The point is, Madara is the only one the few villains to physically kill 2 main characters, while the others have failed, thus he has huge influence as villain.

That's his personality. He was war-lord, he fought in war for years, it is something he admires.

As I previously said, DBZ focuses on power. Naruto focuses on characterization, development overall, story, and emotion moments.

If Madara was such a in depth villian then he would be trying to initiate the Moon Eye Plan.What does he do instead?He screws around taking unnecessary risks which includes dying.

If you gonna criticize Cell for lacking depth then do the same for Madara,because he literally only became a villian after being denied the Hokage position.He had a good friendship with Hashirama and threw it away because Madara wanted to do things his way.

 

[Bronze]

Didn't Nagato, Obito, and Madara all want the same thing with a different approach? :|

No they didn't.

Nagato wanted to destruction weapon, which isn't going to create peace speaking logically. Therefore, no peace in it.
Obito wanted to Genjutsu taking away everyone's will to do what they want, and rather have them under his will. Logically, no peace it.
Madara is the same as Obito. Logically, no peace in it.

Their goals doesn't create peace.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

The Universe had generally stronger alien life than Earth, and he bothered to absorb them for power. And with Frieza and King Cold's cell's in him, he should f been WELL AWARE of other thousands of aliens that made earthlings look pathetic. He couldn't. Once in the Perfect Form, he lost the ability TO absorb. Cell was not strictly an android. He was primarily biological, not to mention all of Gero's creations with the exception of 19 broke his programming and did as they pleased.

He is a villain who makes no sense and shouldn't be compared to any Naruto villain's, who have at least action or reasons to back up what they do and don't randomly loose their brain and focus on a task that isn't as productive as another.

Tbh,I dont think anyone expects DBZ to have deep motives or charactization.Cell is good at what he does and that makes him a good villian imo.

 

[maggioso]

I don't think either stand out as great villains but if I have to choose then madara. at least he has reasons as to why he is doing what hes doing

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Tbh,I dont think anyone expects DBZ to have deep motives or charactization.Cell is good at what he does and that makes him a good villian imo.

Frieza and Vegeta were decent villains. Frieza being the best in the series, not due to his motives but more towards how he slowly developed as a villain and prolonged the murder and death of his foes.

 

[Bronze]

If Madara was such a in depth villian then he would be trying to initiate the Moon Eye Plan.What does he do instead?He screws around taking unnecessary risks which includes dying.

If you gonna criticize Cell for lacking depth then do the same for Madara,because he literally only became a villian after being denied the Hokage position.He had a good friendship with Hashirama and threw it away because Madara wanted to do things his way.

Copying and paste what I said previously. Read it carefully. Understand carefully.

''That's his personality. He was war-lord, he fought in war for years, it is something he admires.''

No, I won't do the same for Madara, because he actually has all the qualities of a character and villain. Cell, unfortunately is power machine with no backstory, no interesting motive, no personality, and no character what so ever.

When you can talk about qualities of villain, then come to me. Madara > Cell. :bye:

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Copying and paste what I said previously. Read it carefully. Understand carefully.

''That's his personality. He was war-lord, he fought in war for years, it is something he admires.''

No, I won't do the same for Madara, because he actually has all the qualities of a character and villain. Cell, unfortunately is power machine with no backstory, no interesting motive, no personality, and no character what so ever.

When you can talk about qualities of villain, then come to me. Madara > Cell. :bye:

What are Madara's qualities?Let's see:

Arrogant
Power Hungry
???

That's it really,so much for Madara supposed being a better villian than Cell of better character qualities.

 

[DaileyM]

Madara imo

 

[TheLastSensei]

Madara is a better villain. We know why e acts like he do. Cell just wanted to fight. And don't say cell is better because he's stronger. A good villain needs a purpose.. AND A BACKSTORY.

 

[darkmanure]

Both of them are too arrogant for their own good. Cell had way better fights though, so Cell.

 

[HiddenSound]

GG Madara

 

[Sageflash]

GG Madara

Cell is too cool. You know you're raw as phuck when a Super Saiyan flinches at your gaze.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Madara is a better villain. We know why e acts like he do. Cell just wanted to fight. And don't say cell is better because he's stronger. A good villain needs a purpose.. AND A BACKSTORY.

False on all accounts.No villain needs a backstory in order to be good,hell Aizen is one of the best anime villains out there and we barely know anything about him.

 

[EPICMenma]

Madara had better tragic villainous story. See how he's turned into be villain. He lost his five brother and parents during war. Everyone in Uchiha Clan refuse to listen or obey Madara even though he is leader.That motivated Madara into villain. Last time i checked it out in DBZ. Cell does not have tragic story. he is nothing more than android wannabee who want to destroy earth for fun that Dr.Gero created. DBZ villains focus into "ruling the universe" like Frieza, Super Buu etc.

 

[Corgi]

Madara.

Didn't Cell like make a tournament? The ****? The **** kinda villain creates a tournament? Talk about egotistical. He died by a base kamahamahahahama from an 11 year old.

 

[Bronze]

Madara had better tragic villainous story. See how he's turned into be villain. He lost his five brother and parents during war. Everyone in Uchiha Clan refuse to listen or obey Madara even though he is leader.That motivated Madara into villain. Last time i checked it out in DBZ. Cell does not have tragic story. he is nothing more than android wannabee who want to destroy earth for fun that Dr.Gero created. DBZ villains focus into "ruling the universe" like Frieza, Super Buu etc.

Its not the case of being leader. They betrayed him, because they thought he wanted war, when in reality he was warning them from Tobirama's future wrath as Hokage and they didn't listen, which he turned out to be correct about it. So in matter, he was misunderstood and discriminated. He lost everything. That's why he turned into a villain with interesting motive.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Madara had better tragic villainous story. See how he's turned into be villain. He lost his five brother and parents during war. Everyone in Uchiha Clan refuse to listen or obey Madara even though he is leader.That motivated Madara into villain. Last time i checked it out in DBZ. Cell does not have tragic story. he is nothing more than android wannabee who want to destroy earth for fun that Dr.Gero created. DBZ villains focus into "ruling the universe" like Frieza, Super Buu etc.

A tragic backstory does'nt mean he's a better villain.A villain would'nt even need sympathy since they should be plain bad.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Madara.

Didn't Cell like make a tournament? The ****? The **** kinda villain creates a tournament? Talk about egotistical. He died by a base kamahamahahahama from an 11 year old.

He killed Goku though,that's a plus.

 

[EPICMenma]

Its not the case of being leader. They betrayed him, because they thought he wanted war, when in reality he was warning them from Tobirama's future wrath as Hokage and they didn't listen, which he turned out to be correct about it. So in matter, he was misunderstood and discriminated. He lost everything. That's why he turned into a villain with interesting motive.

Yeah, If anything who motivated Madara into be villain, It is Tobirama. He is main reason why Madara turned into be villain. For example, he is responsibility for wounding Izuna which leaded him to death. Of Course, Madara warned them from receiving Tobirama's wrath when he become Hokage because Madara assumed Uchiha Clan will be under 24 hours security if that's case. However, Uchiha Clan betrayed him. That's how Madara became Villain. It is sad story.