Misconception: Madara is toying with Gai

[MightGai]

I like how Madara was going serious, but he never even attempted a Rinnigan technique. He could have just frozen gai in place like he did to sasuke if he were serious. Lemme guess, his 8 gate aura would protect him form an unknown power? right.

Any nab has Rinnegan nowadays, the real pro's use Onmyoudon to fight. Which was useless btw.

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

Any nab has Rinnegan nowadays, the real pro's use Onmyoudon to fight. Which was useless btw.

Obito wasnt a Rinnigan Pro. A real Rinnigan pro summons meteorites. And last I recall, Madara was robbed of his Onmyoudon when Minato and co. jumped in to help Gai.

 

[MightGai]

Obito wasnt a Rinnigan Pro. A real Rinnigan pro summons meteorites. And last I recall, Madara was robbed of his Onmyoudon when Minato and co. jumped in to help Gai.

Remind me, are those two meteorites the ones that Oonoki took full on and survived?

Nope, he had it, with his staff. Also had it on step 2 , 3 and 4 of the Evening Elephant.

 

[3MESSIAH]

I believe it was madara's intention to toy with him but only in the beginning..afterwards he was struggling for survival...the fact he was enjoying the fight doesnt mean he was toying with him

 

[Trea]

I don't think he was toying with Guy. Madara loves a good fight. His last good fight (in his eyes) was with Hashirama at the VOTE. When he got to the battlefield and noticed Hashi's chakra all he could think about was the chance to fight him again.

He come from an era where the more techniques you knew the longer you lived and so seeing the gates in action was exciting to him. He's someone who likes the challenge of a good fight. I think he wanted to see this technique so badly that he wasn't protecting himself as well as he could have.

He even praised Guy for being the best taijutsu user he's seen. He was doing his best to stay out of Guy's way and avoid his strikes because he knew they could damage him. Madara admitted that 4-5 punches or kicks with the gates could kill him.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

I like how Madara was going serious, but he never even attempted a Rinnigan technique. He could have just frozen gai in place like he did to sasuke if he were serious. Lemme guess, his 8 gate aura would protect him form an unknown power? right.

Seriously have people not even read the op. I covered this Gai is too fast for the Rinnegan, Madara couldn't protect himself for the second Evening Elephant hit. Madara had to focus on his most powerful material onmyoton. I countered the Rinnegan in the op.

 

[Solo]

You don't understand plot, Sir. Whatever that ass pull he did on Sasuke, he could have easily ended Guy with that.

 

[Disquiet]

First, I'd like to say you make great points. However, I have my disagreements. I think that Madara vs Hashirama argument has a huge hole in it (as well another one of your arguments that I'm going to point out later), because I don't recall Madara getting excited when fighting Hashirama. In that flashback scene when Hashirama was giving Sasuke a history lesson, I don't think Madara laughed even once. His latter battle as an edo tensei wouldn't be credible, because well, he was an edo, and also had a plan the entire time. He talked about how exciting it was to fight Hashirama, but in the actual battle scenes, we don't see him laughing or giggling.

Also, the statement in that scan posted by another member (which seemed to have went ignored, though not sure if it simply went unnoticed), shows Madara saying "I want to have more fun". Remember, this was AFTER he protected himself with those black orbs, and AFTER he stated that four to five of those hits would kill him. That doesn't sound like a person whose only option is to sit there and think =/. It's like yeah... have fun getting beat to death. That statement, "I want to have more fun" contradicts many of your points.

However, I do believe that he wasn't toying with him, just not totally serious.

In fact...

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"I'll acknowledge you" implies that he wasn't indeed, taking him serious. He didn't even acknowledge him up until that point. I want to see what you think about this.

By the way, I agree that 8 Gates Gai could have killed Madara should he chose to aim for the head/had enough oomph in him to go for a head-shot.

 

[Stxluciferr]

I think coming chapters will show Madara didn't go all out. I think guy supporters also need to keep in mind that 8th gated guy also had some assistance from Kakashi, Gaara, ect

 

[Tantalus Thief]

First, I'd like to say you make great points. However, I have my disagreements. I think that Madara vs Hashirama argument has a huge hole in it (as well another one of your arguments that I'm going to point out later), because I don't recall Madara getting excited when fighting Hashirama. In that flashback scene when Hashirama was giving Sasuke a history lesson, I don't think Madara laughed even once. His latter battle as an edo tensei wouldn't be credible, because well, he was an edo, and also had a plan the entire time. He talked about how exciting it was to fight Hashirama, but in the actual battle scenes, we don't see him laughing or giggling.

Also, the statement in that scan posted by another member (which seemed to have went ignored, though not sure if it simply went unnoticed), shows Madara saying "I want to have more fun". Remember, this was AFTER he protected himself with those black orbs, and AFTER he stated that four to five of those hits would kill him. That doesn't sound like a person whose only option is to sit there and think =/. It's like yeah... have fun getting beat to death. That statement, "I want to have more fun" contradicts many of your points.

However, I do believe that he wasn't toying with him, just not totally serious.

In fact...

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"I'll acknowledge you" implies that he wasn't indeed, taking him serious. He didn't even acknowledge him up until that point. I want to see what you think about this.

By the way, I agree that 8 Gates Gai could have killed Madara should he chose to aim for the head/had enough oomph in him to go for a head-shot.

Madara was smiling in one scan when he was fighting Hashirama, I think it was in the chapter Hashirama started the flashback with their fight at the valley. My argument for him smiling and laughing is because he has found an strong opponent to fight with givng him a rush. He did not get a rush fighting weak opponents, like the 5 kage. I think this shows Gai is not being played with because Madara wouldn't be happy to fight a weak opponent he knows he can just toy with. Madara has a look of concern, when Gai hit him with the Evening Elephant an had one when Gai was going for a hit with Night Moth/Gai, he has rarely had a look like this on his face when fighting as an edo.
I see Madara;s stetement "I want to have more fun" as he wants to battle Gai seriously and not just play around with him. "Fun" means battle for Madara. Which is something Madara enjoys. Like with how Madara says dance. Madara acknowledged Gai is because his Night Moth/Gai was truly powerful based on his observation. Before Gai did it, he said it is rare to fight taijutsu users as good as Gai, and the sheer power of Night Moth/Gai made Madara acknowledge because he knows the move is powerful. Unlike anything else, Gai's moves before were hurting Madara but Madara felt the Night Moth/Gai was way more powerful. He has shown praise for Gai's skill before.

 

[MightGai]

I think coming chapters will show Madara didn't go all out. I think guy supporters also need to keep in mind that 8th gated guy also had some assistance from Kakashi, Gaara, ect

So it was Minato that warped the space arround Madara when Gai used the Night Guy?

 

[Disquiet]

Madara was smiling in one scan when he was fighting Hashirama, I think it was in the chapter Hashirama started the flashback with their fight at the valley.

Could you post it? I looked at it again, but I don't see any scan of such.

My argument for him smiling and laughing is because he has found an strong opponent to fight with givng him a rush. He did not get a rush fighting weak opponents, like the 5 kage. I think this shows Gai is not being played with because Madara wouldn't be happy to fight a weak opponent he knows he can just toy with.

There is two interpretations to this (yours and the one I'm going to present). Gai is a taijutsu fighter, simply being able to injure a Juubi Jin that bad is an impressive feat, no doubt. Let's be real, simple kicks and punches isn't going to do much. Orochimaru was able to withstand Tsunade's punches. The other interpretation is that he was impressed with Gai's show of strength/speed/taijutsu skills. Do you think 8 gates Gai would have definitely killed EMS Madara? The same Madara that went up against Hashirama? Juubi Jin Madara knows that, I'm certain. He basically has the power of a god right now, so I certainly find it reasonable that Madara would be greatly impressed if someone showed enough strength that could have defeated his less stronger EMS self.

Also, with the 5 kage thing, remember he was an edo. He got really excited after getting revived, talking about how he can finally do real battle now or something like that.

has a look of concern, when Gai hit him with the Evening Elephant an had one when Gai was going for a hit with Night Moth/Gai, he has rarely had a look like this on his face when fighting as an edo.

I agreed that Gai could have killed him if he hit him in the right place (though I'm still waiting to see what Madara has).

I see Madara;s stetement "I want to have more fun" as he wants to battle Gai seriously and not just play around with him. "Fun" means battle for Madara. Which is something Madara enjoys. Like with how Madara says dance.

But by ruling out all of Madara's techs, as you did in your thread, you greatly implied that there was nothing Madara could even do to avoid/counter. Again, that statement wouldn't make sense if that was the case. There was nothing to be happy about, because 4-5 hits could have ended him, and you're suggesting there was absolutely nothing he could about it, but still thinks he can "dance" with Gai. It wouldn't make sense.

Madara acknowledged Gai is because his Night Moth/Gai was truly powerful based on his observation. Before Gai did it, he said it is rare to fight taijutsu users as good as Gai, and the sheer power of Night Moth/Gai made Madara acknowledge because he knows the move is powerful. Unlike anything else, Gai's moves before were hurting Madara but Madara felt the Night Moth/Gai was way more powerful. He has shown praise for Gai's skill before.

That statement by Madara is a tough statement to beat around. If he didn't even acknowledge him until that point, it means he wasn't truly worried about anything Gai was doing. I don't really see how "I'll acknowledge you" can be interpreted any other way than not taking Gai serious until he showed Night Gai. It means he DIDN'T acknowledge anything he did until that moment. Madara is not above giving compliments where it is due, he even did it in the Kage fight I believe.

> I want to have more fun

> I'll acknowledge you know


^Those statements wouldn't make any sense if what you say is true (that even prior to Night Gai, there was nothing Madara could have done). And they ONLY make sense if the opposite of what you say is true.

You should at least invoke Occam's Razor.

 

[TheLastSensei]

Nope he was smiling and said oh that almost could have killed me.. .. nothing serious.. seeing as Madara didn't take it serious..

He was surprised that he almost died from something other than old age (his first cause of death before the war began)

 

[TheLastSensei]

Madara was a Bit tired. He was panting When the left side of his body was blown off.

 

[Yocolaw]

After Gai went HAM on Madara in 8th gate many people specifically Madara fans are saying Madara is simply toying with Gai and is not serious, but I will disprove that.
1. Madara is letting Gai hit him
This is one where people think that Madara is simply taking the hits and not attempting to escape hits since he is a maschoist and enjoys pain. This is false, Madara does not like pain but the rush and feel of battle.
Madara has expressed concern if Gai hit him 4-5 times and cautioned himself to not let himself get hit directly.

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Showing Madara is serious and knows Gai is a legit threat to him. Later in the fight Gai goes in for the final hit of the Evening Elephant and Madara immediatly protects himself and attempts to kill Gai by throwing the balls.

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Plus Madara always has a look of concern when Gai hits with the Evening Elephant, this is not a look for someone who is enjoying the pain.
2. Madara is not using any jutsu against Gai so the battle lasts.
Onmyoton is the most defensive and can destroy any ninjutsu making it the ultimate defense and offense it is better than anything else in his arsenal against Gai. EMS techinques are useless. Susano would get shot through like a bullet, Meteors take time to prepare(Susano handseals), and Gai can go for him if he tries it, Gai is too fast for genjutsu. Rinnegan techniques are too fodder as well. Deva Path gets pushed back by Gai's pure force(like with 6 tailed Naruto), Ashura Path gets destroyed by Gai's technique, Preta Path can't absorb a thing, Ghost Path needs direct contact which gives Gai a chance to attack. Mokuton gets fodderized by Gai's techniques.
3. Madara being psyched up about fighting Gai and laughing means he isn't trying.
Madara being happy/rushed up from Gai doesn't mean he is toying it means he is happy there is someone strong that he can take on seriously in epic battle. Madara was rushed up in his fight against Hashirama does that mean he was toying with him the whole time no. It means Madara is happy there are strong opponents that can give him a rush. If Madara is just toying then he is not getting the rush, he was toying with the 5 kage and he didn't even get a rush from them like with Hashirama.
In conclusion Gai was actually giving Madara a hard time, as shown by Madara's concern not to get hit, Madra statement about Gai almost killing him, and Madara's rush he feels when fighting someone strong that can hurt him. And btw if Gai hit Madara in the head with Night Gai/Moth Madara would be dead U_U

Thanks soooo much man you are correct btw evening elephant first strike to the ground was supposed to continue but plot whole made gai stop due too pain if he kept hitting him deeper to the earths core he would've died from that heat Witch is why he flew outta there fast and stated he be in trouble

 

[Yocolaw]

Madara did say it was fate that chose him this meaning he did not know if he'd make it so they both prayd to win