[VS] Kakashi vs Gai

[Unorthodox]

Kamui gg but if gai starts in gates kakashi is negged diff

 

[MightGai]

Kakashi wins since under normal circumstances Gai would never be opting to die using the final gate and i consider Kakashi to be slightly stronger than Gai without it

Genjutsu won't be an issue for Gai considering he knows how to fight without eye contact

Kakashi is a taijutsu master himself(considered to be above part1 Lee and capable to open at least the first gate), possessing one of the greatest speed and reaction in this manga(reacted to 2susanoo arrows that SM Kabuto struggled to dodge, reacted to Jubidara's counter-assault without no one noticing and even Gaara's automatic defense having time to shield himself, along with many other feats).

6Gated Gai was more or less on par with Jinchurikis in terms of speed and Kakashi was countering them as well, so they were all in the same branch of speed. Where Gai has superior body movement in 6 or 7gate, Sharingan makes Kakashi reacts faster [

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Hirudora could be an issue though, but Kakashi could dodge it with doton hiding mole [

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Kakashi's jutsu speed would be an issue for Gai however. Since it's too fast to be followed [

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], he can cast ninjutsus without Gai even realising, ending up hiting a lightning clone for example instead. He fooled even high level dojutsu users like Itachi [

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] and Pain with it, so Gai would have to be careful

But it's said to be a usual trick on him [

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], so Gai of all people should be aware of it and thus not just charging recklessly

He may also use this range attack [

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] to gain range and openings. And if Gai gets paralysed, he can easily take the opportunity to snipe him with Kamui

They know each other very well, but overall i just find Kakashi to be the superior shinobi

Ok, some stuff:

1) If Kakashi is a taijutsu master, then Gai is the taijutsu god's second coming. And his reaction speed was baffled by a 3 gates rock lee.

2) As Rock lee explained once, being able to see and being able to react are 2 different things. He MIGHT see through Gai speed, but definitively he won't be able to keep up, pretty much like Madara could see Gai but in the end... well ...

3) Gai can launch Hirudora in his face, like he did to Madara before opening the final gate. No dodge whatsoever there.

4) Again, if you're considering things that happened a long time ago (like the fight with Itachi) then if we take into consideration that he believes rock lee with 3 gates to be fast, this battle is over before Kakashi lifts his headband to use the Mangekyou (Plus, let's be real: he's not smarter than shikamaru and doesn't "smell" better than kiba and finally he was impressed by the uplift combo of rock lee before using Omote Renge on Gaara, so I wouldn't say he's that much better than him either.).

5) If they're about to clash with range attacks, remember that Kisame's Daikoudan didn't do squat to Hirudora (besides failing to absorb any chakra) and it was destroyed by it. So far it took Onmyoudon to withstand Hirudora ... it even took Madara's Susano'o away, so I wouldn't be counting on an effective defense by Kakashi.

What we have seen so far on the manga is that Gai is way more physically prepared to battle than Kakashi, being that the first one is faster (pretty much got compliments on his speed while using gates by every enemy he fought, I mean the guy is even fast enough to distort reality), stronger (The destructive power of his techniques which pulverized top-notch ninjas, included Madara with Juubi powers) and with more tolerance to pain (given that he uses Eight gates techniques and even coped with the Evening Elephants drawback in a moment), I feel that if Gai uses his top speed to battle Kakashi he will eventually overpower the latter, rendering him unable to react (if Madara couldn't even react to the second and third step of the Evening Elephant, Kakashi's hopes goes from nil to null) and eventually destroying him

 

[Bogard]

2) As Rock lee explained once, being able to see and being able to react are 2 different things. He MIGHT see through Gai speed, but definitively he won't be able to keep up, pretty much like Madara could see Gai but in the end... well ...

Sharingan helps to see movements faster, but the ability to react depends on the reflexive speed of the person. Kakashi is a taijutsu master unlike Sasuke, possessing one of the best reflexive speed in this manga. It's for that reason that unlike Sasuke vs Lee, his body is already builded up in dodging and countering faster attacks after reading them. Give Sharingan to Gai for example and he would be faster than without Sharingan

3) Gai can launch Hirudora in his face, like he did to Madara before opening the final gate. No dodge whatsoever there.

Madara was busy fighting Naruto and inside Susanoo your reaction time is slower

4) Again, if you're considering things that happened a long time ago (like the fight with Itachi) then if we take into consideration that he believes rock lee with 3 gates to be fast, this battle is over before Kakashi lifts his headband to use the Mangekyou (Plus, let's be real: he's not smarter than shikamaru and doesn't "smell" better than kiba and finally he was impressed by the uplift combo of rock lee before using Omote Renge on Gaara, so I wouldn't say he's that much better than him either.).

Kid Kakashi could smell a hiding opponent several meters away, his sharingan usage was said to be better than majority of Uchihas by a genius like Itachi, has showed multiple times comparable if not better intelligence feats than part1 Shikamaru, so Naruto's compliment didn't seem far-fetched at all because once again it was compared according to Naruto's knowledge from his part1 friends. Obviously in between they developed their respective skills better. Also, doing a compliment doesn't mean one is comparable or better. Minato said Kid Kakashi was fast, yet he was no where near his level of speed

5) If they're about to clash with range attacks, remember that Kisame's Daikoudan didn't do squat to Hirudora (besides failing to absorb any chakra) and it was destroyed by it. So far it took Onmyoudon to withstand Hirudora ... it even took Madara's Susano'o away, so I wouldn't be counting on an effective defense by Kakashi.

It could be used to counter-balance hirudora's power at least. It didn't hit Kisame full force and he survived it in the end. Furthermore, no one said Kakashi would use it to clash with Gai's Hirudora. He could use it at anytime in the match when needed. It's not like Hirudora was a spamable move by Gai. After that he becomes incapacitated and it leaves opportunities. And how do you know it took Madara's Susanoo away?

What we have seen so far on the manga is that Gai is way more physically prepared to battle than Kakashi, being that the first one is faster (pretty much got compliments on his speed while using gates by every enemy he fought, I mean the guy is even fast enough to distort reality), stronger (The destructive power of his techniques which pulverized top-notch ninjas, included Madara with Juubi powers) and with more tolerance to pain (given that he uses Eight gates techniques and even coped with the Evening Elephants drawback in a moment), I feel that if Gai uses his top speed to battle Kakashi he will eventually overpower the latter, rendering him unable to react (if Madara couldn't even react to the second and third step of the Evening Elephant, Kakashi's hopes goes from nil to null) and eventually destroying him

All what you listed concerns the final gate. If he uses it obviously he would win, but would die in the end as well

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Yes, and between the fact that Gai opened the 8 gates and the point up until he used Night Guy / moth passed 4 chapters. 4 chapters = 4 weeks = 1 month. So Gai can keep the 8 gates activated for a month without dying.

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OT - Kakashi takes it should Gai be in the 7th gate, but ultimately "loses" should he be in the 8th gate. I hold them as equals, more or less.

 

[Touken]

If the good ol' Kamui snipe is restricted, 7G Gai blitzes. Kakashi is not keeping up with that level of speed.

 

[MightGai]

Sharingan helps to see movements faster, but the ability to react depends on the reflexive speed of the person. Kakashi is a taijutsu master unlike Sasuke, possessing one of the best reflexive speed in this manga. It's for that reason that unlike Sasuke vs Lee, his body is already builded up in dodging and countering faster attacks after reading them. Give Sharingan to Gai for example and he would be faster than without Sharingan

Madara was busy fighting Naruto and inside Susanoo your reaction time is slower

Kid Kakashi could smell a hiding opponent several meters away, his sharingan usage was said to be better than majority of Uchihas by a genius like Itachi, has showed multiple times comparable if not better intelligence feats than part1 Shikamaru, so Naruto's compliment didn't seem far-fetched at all because once again it was compared according to Naruto's knowledge from his part1 friends. Obviously in between they developed their respective skills better. Also, doing a compliment doesn't mean one is comparable or better. Minato said Kid Kakashi was fast, yet he was no where near his level of speed

It could be used to counter-balance hirudora's power at least. It didn't hit Kisame full force and he survived it in the end. Furthermore, no one said Kakashi would use it to clash with Gai's Hirudora. He could use it at anytime in the match when needed. It's not like Hirudora was a spamable move by Gai. After that he becomes incapacitated and it leaves opportunities. And how do you know it took Madara's Susanoo away?

All what you listed concerns the final gate. If he uses it obviously he would win, but would die in the end as well

What is a Taijutsu master? and according to whom? Where does Kakashi even demonstrated that he can keep up with a 7th Gate Gai??

I meant when he was fighting Madara in his Juubi state, that he blocked it with the staff, not when Madara was Edo Tensei (which even then proves that Hirudora is too much for Susano'o).

Uhuh, and why is that even better than Kiba?. Ok, which intelligence feats did Kakashi show that could be compared to anything Shikamaru did?. Then again, if Person A compliments person B about a stat and it doesn't mean that B stats are higher than A (like you say), then why Person C (Naruto) praising person B (Kakashi) stats over People A (Kiba, Shikamaru, etc) would make any sense?.

Survived, but was nowhere fit to fight. If Gai didn't want to capture him alive, he could have ended it there. I don't think so, after Gai used Hirudora on Kisame he was ready to keep fighting, also when he used against Madara's Susano'o, if I recall correctly he didn't get tired afterwards. Well, he launched Hirudora, hit Susano'o and the next time Madara appeared Susano'o was no more, so it would be safe that he undone Susano'o with Hirudora's power.

 

[Haizaki]

These 2 are equal without the final gates

 

[Early Man]

Gai starts in gates btw,
I just don't see kakashi being able to dodge any of Gai's high speed attacks.

 

[RustledJimmies]

Gai starts in gates btw,
I just don't see kakashi being able to dodge any of Gai's high speed attacks.

In which Gate does he start ?? If it's anything below 8th Gate then Kamui could still snipe him .

 

[MightGai]

In which Gate does he start ?? If it's anything below 8th Gate then Kamui could still snipe him .

If he took his sweet time to "snipe" Gedo Mazou's neck, why would he do it any faster with Gai circling him at high speed?

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Gai doesn't need 8th Gate to beat kakashi. Kakashi is highly depended on kamui, the more he uses it the weaker he becomes. Gai can hold 7th Gate for a long time (he fought with Kisame in a lake, who has bijuu level chakra). If Kakashi can't snipe Gai with Kamui at the beginning of fight, Gai will beat him with daytime tiger or morning peacocks. Kakashi doesn't have the durability to block those moves and survive

Gai wins high difficulty

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Uhuh ... very solid theory, if not for the fact that the Evening elephant did something like this:

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And do tell, what does suggest that Kakashi can dodge any technique from Guy?

And how will he know where kakashi is when he's underground? He isn't a sensor.

Sharingan sees chakra buildup. He'll know when guy uses gates before he completed using gates.

 

[MightGai]

And how will he know where kakashi is when he's underground? He isn't a sensor.

Sharingan sees chakra buildup. He'll know when guy uses gates before he completed using gates.

Because Gai isn't blind and will see if he goes underground unless distracted somehow, which would be impossible since Kakashi would still have trouble to keep up with Gai's speed. Plus did you see the crater that a single evening elephant did? He doesn't need to pinpoint his location, just throw one at his general direction and physics will do the rest. And if we get to nitpick, once he's on the crater Gai can play the Tenshin-han act with Phase 2 cell, continuously using Evening elephant down there until Kakashi ends up in America.