If I give you $100 it's belong to you right or wrong? the same thing apply to naruto and kurama, kurama choose to give naruto his chakra so as the other bijuu's naruto never force them or ask for it they chose to give it to him at the end of the day rather you like or not that power belong to naruto same goes for sasuke they both have they own way of gaining power so jus deal with it. Ps if you need to talk about stolen powers the people you need to talk about is madara,kabuto, and orochimaru
EMS is NOT borrowed power
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Basing your argument on the assumption of Itachi wanting Sasuke to have his eyes...lmfao.
Sasuke didn't borrow those eyes,he flat-out stole them and last I checked borrowing is even worse that stealing and the fact that you're defending your favorite character with such an argument makes this thread all the more hilarious.
Sasuke didn't borrow those eyes,he flat-out stole them and last I checked borrowing is even worse that stealing and the fact that you're defending your favorite character with such an argument makes this thread all the more hilarious.
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This is still going on? Alright, it's thread clean-up time.
Regardless of whether or not it's "borrowed power," you're dodging the main point. EMS is a modified power. There is no denying this. It is not Sasuke's natural power, and his natural skills and progression ended at the kage summit with MS. Now, he's been modified beyond is own skill and natural potential by an outside force.
Naruto's the same way. His natural progression stopped when he obtained the current-level of power his SM has.(not the new buff) His outside modification is Kurama.
To say either hasn't been modified beyond natural potential would be foolish. The only question if what's more "cheap."
However, this argument cannot be used against Naruto since Sasuke only got a surgery for his power. Naruto had to have his skin burnt off, mutilated, and had to literally fight Kurama and some other bijus to get his respect.
Regardless of whether or not it's "borrowed power," you're dodging the main point. EMS is a modified power. There is no denying this. It is not Sasuke's natural power, and his natural skills and progression ended at the kage summit with MS. Now, he's been modified beyond is own skill and natural potential by an outside force.
Naruto's the same way. His natural progression stopped when he obtained the current-level of power his SM has.(not the new buff) His outside modification is Kurama.
To say either hasn't been modified beyond natural potential would be foolish. The only question if what's more "cheap."
However, this argument cannot be used against Naruto since Sasuke only got a surgery for his power. Naruto had to have his skin burnt off, mutilated, and had to literally fight Kurama and some other bijus to get his respect.
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you really can't because originally the 9 tails was forced against his will into naruto body and then naruto literally stole his powers from the nine tails before befriending him
Sasuke's EMS is somewhat like Itachi's Totsuka blade and Yata mirror.
They were both not originally part of their power, but now they are, however Sasuke's EMS is still sort if a birth right given that all it did was give him the power of his ancestors.
Naruto on the other hand stopped being able to progress on his own at SM. His birth right is his strong body and butt loads of chakra.
Kurama is an external source that lends him power whenever he needs it. EMS is not feeding Sasuke power because Sasuke still has to use his own chakra, Naruto doesn't. EMS can't just decide to stop working, but Kurama can.
Whether Naruto suffered or not doesn't even matter. Otherwise I could be saying how Sasuke had to fight and lose his sight to get EMS.
As for being cheap, this isn't about being cheap or not. This about EMS being Sasuke's power.
Ems=ms+eternal light(clearly stated in manga)
Unless you want to add itachi sword, mirror or tsukuyomi(aka "itachi's power")
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Then it's given powered or taken power. Many people call Kurama borrowed power but thanks to your post with the definition of Borrow, same goes for Naruto since Kurama gave Naruto his chakra just like Itachi gave his eyes to Sasuke. Or you can say Sasuke took Itachi's eyes as well since Itachi didn't out right gave them to Sasuke as Shisui did with Itachi. but you can say Naruto took Kurama's chakra when he gain KM as well. I only brought Naruto up because fanboys for boy tend to use borrowed power for both sides.