Why Hiruzen soloes Madara.

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

you know you are so right
but I wonder
why hiruzen is not doing that, I'm not saying : cause he can do $h!t
it's plot shield

and next time please for the love of god don't underrate hiruzen, please make a hiruzen > kaguya or at least hiruzen > rikudu thread

Is it too late to apologise?

 

[Rikudo SenninKun Namikaze]

wh@tH3pu5k?


jesus and his apostles.... Clear up the dumbed down-ness this thread mind boggle me into.

 

[phantomlord22]

Is it too late to apologise?

may god of shinobi forgive you if you delete this thread
but since you can't
you better make hiruzen >>>>> kaguya thread

 

[Gein]

Believe in the Hype!

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Iruka, Ch.94
「三代目は　特に歴代の中でも最強�� �� �� �� �� � �言われポロフェッサーと呼ばれた�� �� �� �� �� �� ��だったんだぞ！」
"The sandaime, in particular, was a genius nicknamed the 'Professor,' and was called the strongest of all the Hokage".

the Sandaime was the strongest.

Databook 1, Page 117
"プロフェッサー"と崇められる歴�� �� �� �� �最 強の火影

The "Professor" revered as the strongest Hokage in history.

Databook 1, Page 119
"歴代最強""天才"など,三代目火影�� �� �� �� �� �形 容する言葉はに満ちている.

"History's Strongest", "Genius", etc., there are many words that describe the Sandaime Hokage.


DB2 Pg 84
Konohamaru paragraph:
歴代最強の火影と謳われた、三代目�� �� �� �� �� � �血を継ぐ木ノ葉丸。“木ノ葉崩し�� �� �� �� �� �� ��より敬愛する祖父を失い、その�� �� �� �� �� �は 悲しみに覆われる。だが必ずや里を�� �� �� �� �� � �る大樹に成長するであろう。果て�� �� �� �� �� �� ��標の祖父を目指して・ ・・！！Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

He is the hype!

 

[EmbraceNixFifty]

Good read man.

 

[archbeta]

You can resist the jutsu. It is a B-Rank justu that Inoichi has used before. A powerful person using a B-rank jutsu doesn't make the justu rank higher. According to your logic. Inoichi > Madara.

These are the ninja it's been used on:

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You're comparing them to Madara. Madara will just resist the B-rank justu.

 

[CloudWalker]

And yet there are people who still choose to deny the facts. This should be common knowledge. Hiruzen > Your Fave.Believe in the Hype! (Hiruzen 5 Leggo)

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

You can resist the jutsu. It is a B-Rank justu that Inoichi has used before. A powerful person using a B-rank jutsu doesn't make the justu rank higher. According to your logic. Inoichi > Madara.

These are the ninja it's been used on:

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You're comparing them to Madara. Madara will just resist the B-rank justu.

It's different in this case; he has control of your whole body. The DB explicitly states your will is disconnected from your body, therefore you can't fight back.

 

[xcoyote]

The man is unstoppable!!

 

[Tobby17]

Indeed, all manga facts...


Hiruzen solos Ems Madara low diff..

Hirzen> Juubi Jin Madara, datz why Kishi is making him fight shinsuusenju instead, he doesn't want Madara soloed easily

 

[Strict]

That's bullshit and you know it.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Re: Establishing why | Hiruzen Vs Current Madara | Why Hiruzen is victorious | REDUX

Knowing and being able to use are very different. Dont give hiruzen every feat of konoha ninja.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

That's bullshit and you know it.

Nah son, it's just facts.

Knowing and being able to use are very different. Dont give hiruzen every feat of konoha ninja.

Look at the scan I posted.

 

[archbeta]

It's different in this case; he has control of your whole body. The DB explicitly states your will is disconnected from your body, therefore you can't fight back.

You're using the definition of a jutsu to measure how strong it is? Shadow binding jutsu is defined as something that binds the body, it doesn't mean that every time it used, it will bind the body. Sure you have jutsu that will always work, but then you get ones that you can resist. Just like how you can resist the shadow binding technique even though it's definition states that it will bind. Just because it's definition is to take over one's will, doesn't necessarily mean it is not resistable. Gaara's sand binding coffin is defined as a jutsu that immobilizes people. We saw Kimimaro resist. You can't argue how strong a jutsu is based on its definition. A B-rank jutsu is not that strong. Shisui's Kotoamatsukami technique is strong enough to control Madara, no other mind control jutsu.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Look at the scan I posted.

ok. i have looked at the scan. Hype isn't only from outside the manga you know, otherwise he would have Shitstomped orochimaru in 3 seconds, 2 of which would be meaningless backstory. how about we act as if hiruzen can only perform feats that a certain hiruzen has performed, rather than saying he can become 50 meters tall and mind crush his opponents.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

You're using the definition of a jutsu to measure how strong it is? Shadow binding jutsu is defined as something that binds the body, it doesn't mean that every time it used, it will bind the body. Sure you have jutsu that will always work, but then you get ones that you can resist. Just like how you can resist the shadow binding technique even though it's definition states that it will bind. Just because it's definition is to take over one's will, doesn't necessarily mean it is not resistable. Gaara's sand binding coffin is defined as a jutsu that immobilizes people. We saw Kimimaro resist. You can't argue how strong a jutsu is based on its definition. A B-rank jutsu is not that strong. Shisui's Kotoamatsukami technique is strong enough to control Madara, no other mind control jutsu.

Didn't read, you can't overcome the Jutsu if your will isn't connected to your body.

I don't remember giving the mods permision to move this thread...

 

[archbeta]

Didn't read, you can't overcome the Jutsu if your will isn't connected to your body.

I don't remember giving the mods permision to move this thread...

That's like saying you can't overcome Shadow Neck Binding Technique if you're bound. The definition of a Jutsu doesn't determine its strength.
It kind of is a VS thread.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

That's like saying you can't overcome Shadow Neck Binding Technique if you're bound. The definition of a Jutsu doesn't determine its strength.
It kind of is a VS thread.

No it isn't. Kin overcame the Shadow binding Jutsu. How? By will and physical strength. This Jutsu takes that away.

It isn't really. More of a discussion.

 

[archbeta]

No it isn't. Kin overcame the Shadow binding Jutsu. How? By will and physical strength. This Jutsu takes that away.

It isn't really. More of a discussion.

You aren't getting the point. That's the jutsu's definition. A definition does not relay how strong a jutsu is. If it is successful then yes the jutsu takes away a person's will but there is huge chance of it being unsuccessful. It's only a B-rank jutsu. You're assuming that every time it used, it will automatically completely remove someone of their will. But those types of jutsu don't work like that. Have you seen when Inoichi is extracting information and he reaches a barrier of some-sort. It takes him a while to surpass that barrier and that's when a person is unconscious. If it was so easy. Inoichi would have absolutely no problem with extracting information. The will of ninja is not so easily broken and Inoichi's jutsu won't work on stronger ninja's. Like you say, physical strength can help you break out of a shadow possession which is a physical jutsu. Mental strentgh can help you break out of a mental jutsu.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

You aren't getting the point. That's the jutsu's definition. A definition does not relay how strong a jutsu is. If it is successful then yes the jutsu takes away a person's will but there is huge chance of it being unsuccessful. It's only a B-rank jutsu. You're assuming that every time it used, it will automatically completely remove someone of their will. But those types of jutsu don't work like that. Have you seen when Inoichi is extracting information and he reaches a barrier of some-sort. It takes him a while to surpass that barrier and that's when a person is unconscious. If it was so easy. Inoichi would have absolutely no problem with extracting information. The will of ninja is not so easily broken and Inoichi's jutsu won't work on stronger ninja's. Like you say, physical strength can help you break out of a shadow possession which is a physical jutsu. Mental strentgh can help you break out of a mental jutsu.

Most of what you said is fanfiction. Rank means nothing. You can't overrule what Kishi has written.