[Theory] one bullshit that dizpoints me in the naruto manga

[minamoto]

I WILL GO STRAIGHT TO THE POINT !!!!

-the way how Senju clan + Hashirama were totally neglected by kishi in the naruto manga despite them being their essence...

-befor the uchiha massacre why did we have an uchiha clan....but not a senju clan??....if the senjus were that strong and have phisical energy they should have existed as a clan just like the Hiyuga, and uchihas...

-i didn't like the way kishi made hashirama foddorized....Hashirama is better character then Naruto...when he was young..he always had a dream to spread peace and connect all clans...hashirama never had selfish dream to become hokage...he even wanted Madara to become one....such selfless act is rare in naruto society.....

-Hashirama is the only one who can stop Madara...WHY??...becuz they are both the reincarnations of the sage's sons...but no instead of that...kishimoto gave hashirama a shitt role...and gave the uzumakis the priority to earn sage's respect and stop the Uchihas....for god sake...aren't senju descendents of Ashura???..and aren't uzumakis distant relatives of the Senju??....WHERE ARE THE SENJU IN THE SERIES???... 00 importance given by kishi...JUST BULLSHIITT from the part of kishi ...

 

[V h o]

Didn't you get the memo? Kishi is making this up as he goes along.

 

[JustAnotherNarutoFan]

Didn't you get the memo? Kishi is making this up as he goes along.

Pretty much that, he probably had a vague structure for some events but many things look like they are just made up on the fly.

 

[Dark Link]

Just go with the flow, your pains will hopefully calm down. If that doesn't happen, drop the manga entirely and live your daily life

 

[ssjelf]

Pretty much that, he probably had a vague structure for some events but many things look like they are just made up on the fly.

Well he would basically have to make every manga he was ever to make before publishing it. The manga is practically his storyboard especially cuz he has to publish it every week. Its to be expected really.

OT- 1. yeah a little explanation as to how they disappeared woulda been nice, my guess though is that they just weren't as strict in the clan sense as the hyuugas and uchihas, probably just intermingled with non-senju and the names were phased out. Also the first shinobi world war prolly did a number on them.

2. They did exist look at the flashbacks of hashi and madara. like i said in the first part though.

3. Thats exactly what makes him a worse character. A better person at first but a bad character. Nowadays it is commonly accepted that a dynamic charaacter is better. You can see the changes in them and show how the story affects their character. Not to say static(non changing) characters are bad, but they are usually reserved for side characters and not the main one. It wouldn't be fun to read a story about someone who doesn't change, its would be more like a statement about the character than a story. Especially a shonen manga which is all about character progression

4. Hashirama did stop madara, but madara had another plan and came bac. he is no longer the eincarnation of idra and hashi isnt the reincarnation of ashura any more. But the stroy isn't about indra and ashura its about naruto. Its also not aout hashi, its about naruto. Also Ashura is now working with indra to stop madara. Thats what the story is about, working together not having siblings or friends fight each other over something stupid. The whole theme right now is that indra and ashura are finally working together. So no hashi shouldn't stop him. He already did he job.

Basically just my opinions on yours, don't take it personal, i just wanna let you know that if you wante a story about hashi/the senju, go read fanfiction,, kishi is telling narutos story. But yes I understand your frustration, but unfortunately there isn't enough panel space to fit everything that everyone wants included.

 

[davidou]

Pretty much that, he probably had a vague structure for some events but many things look like they are just made up on the fly.

You are hard with Kishimoto , most of this serie have a deeper build-up than any other.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

I WILL GO STRAIGHT TO THE POINT !!!!

-the way how Senju clan + Hashirama were totally neglected by kishi in the naruto manga despite them being their essence...

-befor the uchiha massacre why did we have an uchiha clan....but not a senju clan??....if the senjus were that strong and have phisical energy they should have existed as a clan just like the Hiyuga, and uchihas...

-i didn't like the way kishi made hashirama foddorized....Hashirama is better character then Naruto...when he was young..he always had a dream to spread peace and connect all clans...hashirama never had selfish dream to become hokage...he even wanted Madara to become one....such selfless act is rare in naruto society.....

-Hashirama is the only one who can stop Madara...WHY??...becuz they are both the reincarnations of the sage's sons...but no instead of that...kishimoto gave hashirama a shitt role...and gave the uzumakis the priority to earn sage's respect and stop the Uchihas....for god sake...aren't senju descendents of Ashura???..and aren't uzumakis distant relatives of the Senju??....WHERE ARE THE SENJU IN THE SERIES???... 00 importance given by kishi...JUST BULLSHIITT from the part of kishi ...

Relax. Half of them were probably killed with Hashirama in the first and second wars while the rest mated with other families and clans.

 

[JustAnotherNarutoFan]

You are hard with Kishimoto , most of this serie have a deeper build-up than any other.

Well that is certainly true, but I am a bit offended by twists like Itachi is a good guy, when he used a Torture Genjutsu for 2*72 hours on his child brother. If he was planned as good fellow, he never would have done that.

As I said he had a basic structure, around which he wrapped the story.

 

[minamoto]

Just go with the flow, your pains will hopefully calm down. If that doesn't happen, drop the manga entirely and live your daily life

-i have no pains...and the manga isn't my life...i dont take it as seriouse as you do..HOWEVER..truth should be told...like itachi says..."poeple live their lives bound what they accept as correct and true and that's how they define reality"....
there were some..not plotholes..not inconsistencies...its just worst then that..i can't even find the words..there were some bullshits crappps..just nonsence ,to fill the story...for exemple like how hashirama and tobirama were edotenseid twice...and how sasuke was good, then evil ,then become good, then most probably will turn evil again..also the Rin Rin Rin shit during juubito's arcs...just bullshit and some many other things in naruto shippuden...

 

[minamoto]

Well he would basically have to make every manga he was ever to make before publishing it. The manga is practically his storyboard especially cuz he has to publish it every week. Its to be expected really.

OT- 1. yeah a little explanation as to how they disappeared woulda been nice, my guess though is that they just weren't as strict in the clan sense as the hyuugas and uchihas, probably just intermingled with non-senju and the names were phased out. Also the first shinobi world war prolly did a number on them.

2. They did exist look at the flashbacks of hashi and madara. like i said in the first part though.

3. Thats exactly what makes him a worse character. A better person at first but a bad character. Nowadays it is commonly accepted that a dynamic charaacter is better. You can see the changes in them and show how the story affects their character. Not to say static(non changing) characters are bad, but they are usually reserved for side characters and not the main one. It wouldn't be fun to read a story about someone who doesn't change, its would be more like a statement about the character than a story. Especially a shonen manga which is all about character progression

4. Hashirama did stop madara, but madara had another plan and came bac. he is no longer the eincarnation of idra and hashi isnt the reincarnation of ashura any more. But the stroy isn't about indra and ashura its about naruto. Its also not aout hashi, its about naruto. Also Ashura is now working with indra to stop madara. Thats what the story is about, working together not having siblings or friends fight each other over something stupid. The whole theme right now is that indra and ashura are finally working together. So no hashi shouldn't stop him. He already did he job.

Basically just my opinions on yours, don't take it personal, i just wanna let you know that if you wante a story about hashi/the senju, go read fanfiction,, kishi is telling narutos story. But yes I understand your frustration, but unfortunately there isn't enough panel space to fit everything that everyone wants included.

i respect your opnion but i hell dont agree with you when you said indra and ashura are both working to stop Madara...
the hermit of the wrong path was just creating a new cycle of hatred, when he gave his powers to sasuke and naruto..becuz even if naruto and sasuke managae to defeat Madara ,they will end up fighintg each others ,and even if they dont fight each others ,some1 will have desire to steal their powers and become the main vilain (oro)...Madara understood this shit better then hagoromo...becuz whenever theire's peace there will also be wars...Madara is wiser and sharpthinker then hagoromo...maybe madara's moon eye plan may seem evil and wrong...but just the fact that madara kestioned the problematic of chakra and peace and shinobi world better then hagoromo..proves that Madara is right in the matter of principles....as long as there's light there will also be darkness...madara thought well about this and tricked this rule..by becoming both the good and dark side....Madara chosed with his free will to become a villain but to be the savior of the world,becuz if you are a good character and have desire to save the world, there will be a villain who stops you....that is how madara tricked the rule and become a unique villain unlike other classical villains in other series.....in conclusion its the hermit of the wrong pathe who is a Madara version gone wrong but not the contrary....Madara is still indra...and furthermore madara added ahsura's powers to himself and become closer to the sage...madara even inherited indra's curse of hatred will and looks like him...

 

[ssjelf]

-i have no pains...and the manga isn't my life...i dont take it as seriouse as you do..HOWEVER..truth should be told...like itachi says..."poeple live their lives bound what they accept as correct and true and that's how they define reality"....
there were some..not plotholes..not inconsistencies...its just worst then that..i can't even find the words..there were some bullshits crappps..just nonsence ,to fill the story...for exemple like how hashirama and tobirama were edotenseid twice...and how sasuke was good, then evil ,then become good, then most probably will turn evil again..also the Rin Rin Rin shit during juubito's arcs...just bullshit and some many other things in naruto shippuden...

says the on quoting itachi lol. But to me it sounds like you are mad because the story isn't the story you want. Nonsense to fill the story??? You mean the story... Your problem lies with not liking how kishi writes his story, so you complain that it isn't how the story should go. But its not your story though. The whole rin thing was little overdone, but so was obitos obsession about her and it explained why e went bad Hashi and tobiram being resureccted, yeah thats called plot not filler. it moved the stroy along and brought powerful allies to a fight that they were needed for. it allowed minato to see his son again and fight along side him and allowed the third hokage to see what has happened after his death.The shiki fuin is a seal and all seals should be able to be broken so yeah it is fine. And sasuke is sasuke he follows his own path. The whole manga has been centered on naruto vs sasuke rivalry/friendship so really it seems like you haven' liked about half the manga.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

it's all a colossal mess (poor writing), you got two options :

- drop it/stop reading.

- finish it since you already made it this far/no complaining.

 

[minamoto]

it's all a colossal mess (poor writing), you got two options :

- drop it/stop reading.

- finish it since you already made it this far/no complaining.

bro your comment is very truthfull and funny..how about i take the 2nd choice with dismissing the "no complaining" part??

 

[ssjelf]

TBH I don't think a sigle manga can please what I want in a story. The weekly/monthly publishing limits it significantly. I have high standards but the writing isn't all that bad, its just peole get too invested and want to pick out every flaw because they want it too be the perfect story, if it was all completely published I doubt we would even notice half the things we do or complain nearly as much.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

bro your comment is very truthfull and funny..how about i take the 2nd choice with dismissing the "no complaining" part??

that's also what i'm doing (the second option) but, really the only reason i said "no complaining" is for your own sake bro/for your own health lol

for me the last good arc in part 2 was the "pain invasion", after that it became way too messy, stopped making sense, contradicted some of the already established facts and overall it's poor writing.

complaining about it is pointless :yeah:

 

[AshuraTheGreat]

I agree with ur thread... but you have to accept it
It's upon the will of Lord Kishi whether or not to highlight Senju clan

and, its not as you think about hashi and madara
sure hashi and madara were the previous gen of transmigrators, but as s06p said, there was a problem before the transmigration was over for madara as he had awakened rinnegan

and... madara was DEAD.his lyf was over .so there was no question of hashi stopping madara after he was brought back to lyf, as the transmigration was already over when madara came to lyf

now's the tym for both naruto & sasuke to eliminate the threat to shinobi world(as ashura and indra team up against evil):T_T::T_T:

 

[ssjelf]

that's also what i'm doing (the second option) but, really the only reason i said "no complaining" is for your own sake bro/for your own health lol

for me the last good arc in part 2 was the "pain invasion", after that it became way too messy, stopped making sense, contradicted some of the already established facts and overall it's poor writing.

complaining about it is pointless :yeah:

Might I ask when you started reading the manga?

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Might I ask when you started reading the manga?

started watching the Anime early in part 1/the better part by far or maybe i'm juts being nostalgic lol (you can say since the beginning), picked up the Manga later after it, stayed with the series until now and it's sad to see it in this condition.

why ??

 

[ssjelf]

Just wondering if the pain arc happened to be the last arc that was fully published before you got caught up. it would just make a reason for why it was your the last good one for you. But I guess that is not the case. Still its interesting to see the perspective of someone who has been around for a long time and to really see if the manga has changed or that its because they cogut up and have wait a week and because they get on forums and here every bit of negativity they can possibly hear. I have been around the anime only a year and the manga about 6 months.

Just trying to get perspective really.

 

[minamoto]

says the on quoting itachi lol. But to me it sounds like you are mad because the story isn't the story you want. Nonsense to fill the story??? You mean the story... Your problem lies with not liking how kishi writes his story, so you complain that it isn't how the story should go. But its not your story though. The whole rin thing was little overdone, but so was obitos obsession about her and it explained why e went bad Hashi and tobiram being resureccted, yeah thats called plot not filler. it moved the stroy along and brought powerful allies to a fight that they were needed for. it allowed minato to see his son again and fight along side him and allowed the third hokage to see what has happened after his death.The shiki fuin is a seal and all seals should be able to be broken so yeah it is fine. And sasuke is sasuke he follows his own path. The whole manga has been centered on naruto vs sasuke rivalry/friendship so really it seems like you haven' liked about half the manga.

ok ok ok you got me...im mad a little...but not mad becuz the story didn't go the way i want...if we speak thouroughly...the Rin Rin Rin shit in obito..what i mean exactly...is the Sudden change happned in obito and he how he turned into a naruto fanboy after he got the talknojutsu from him....also im not against the previous hokages edo-ressurection...but im against how easy there edo-resurection happned ,while its should be very difficult...their souls were sealed for good by shinigami...but it wasn't hard at all for oro to bring their souls back from shinigami...not to mention how soul-less zetsu was sacrified for ritual of edotensei, while Kabuto explained it well that a living soul is required to be sacrified to be a vessel of the resurrected....also...i dont like how kishimoto breaks his rules he himself stated...for exemple the only way to unfree the bijuus or the juubi is to unseal it/them ...however naruto was able to extract the bijuus from obito...like it was very easy process....in concclusion....i dont care of plotholes...becuz a mangaka is forgiven when he makes plotholes...becuz he is humain like us...but a mangaka who lies whatever it fits him and his manga and breaks the rules he himself set in the form of "exeptions"...he is a bad writer for me and some kind of cheater