[THEORY] Why I think Hyuga > Uchiha's Susano'o (excl. Madara)

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This is a long-ish theory so don't read it if you don't want to. I have warned you. Also, I can never success fully post attachments so if the attachment can't be seen there is a link right below the attachment. If you can see the attachment then there's no need to follow the link.

1)Let's start off with the Crossbow:
There are many occurrences in the manga where the Susano'o chakra is moved. I believe that the Hyuuga Vacuum Wall Palm and Rotation are capable of moving and diverting Susano'o chakra.
Here is Danzou changing the course of the arrow:

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Danzou uses Moukton to change the course of the arrow. I propose that a vaccuum wall palm can change the course of the arrow.

Here Danzou uses Vacuum Blade Rush as well as suction from Baku to make a huge gap in the Susano'o.

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If you look at the image closer. It doesn't look like he's destroyed a bit of Susano'o,it looks like he's made an opening in the back by moving the Susano'o chakra to the side.

I recognize that Baku made Danzou's technique stronger but the Vacuum Wall Palm is a much stronger Vacuum technique than the Vacuum Blade Rush. I'm sure everyone's getting tired of seeing the Hiashi deflecting Ten-Tails scan so I won't show it but the point is that Vacuum Palm Technique is way stronger and it can move a considerable amount of Susano'o chakra. It can move the arrow.

2)The sword of Totsuka.
I believe they can dodge these attacks
Here it cuts off a whole lot of snake heads

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The snakes were huge creatures are way much easier to hit than a hyuga.
Also, the snakes are on par height so it would be much shorter than to jab or swing a person on the ground

Here it hits Orochimaru

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We don't see when Itachi started the attack so we can't use this to measure how fast the attack is.
Orochimaru wasn't even completely out so he couldn't move.
Also Oro is again on height level with Susano'o. Here you can see that the horizontal distance between the two isn't very large. And it's clear that Oro was on par in terms of height.

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Here Itachi attacks Nagato

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Nagato obviously doesn't see the sword coming. A definite surprise attack and again, Nagato can hardly walk on his feet and so even if he had seen it coming, he couldn't dodge it. This also doesn't tell us how fast the technique is.

This isn't enough info from the sword to claim that somebody that can move perfectly and is on the ground will be hit easily. So we can't guarantee that this sword will hit the Hyuga. If the manga hasn't revealed how fast it is, we can't assume that is fast just like we can't assume that the Hyuga will use some secret jutsu even if they do possess one. So it's all nice to say that the sword can pierce anything send the user to an eternal genjutsu but the only problem. Will the sword get a hit in the first place?

3)Yasaka Magatama

Here, Itachi uses the technique on the gravitational pull.

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We can't say that the technique is as fast as Rasen-Shuriken because the gravitational pull affects the velocity and direction of the techniques.

So to get a grasp of its speed. Let's look at a situation where there isn't a huge gravitational pull. Itachi and Sasuke vs Kabuto.

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Here Itachi sends the the technique to Kabuto. This time it is just used as a diversion for Sasuke's arrow. The technique hardly had any effect on the ceiling but it could be because Itachi sent small projectiles. However, if you analyze the technique. The size is more or less the same as the one used against Nagato. Surely just like the arrow, this technique can be moved using Vacuum Wall Palm or Rotation.

I also turned to the anime for assistance.
I trimmed episode 334 and uploaded his technique to Youtube:

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[video=youtube;bfUmvag4RVY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfUmvag4RVY[/video]

4)Now, the Yata Mirror:
This deflects all ninjustu and physical attacks.

Here you see it block many paper bombs thrown from a kunai

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However the paper bombs still go off, they just don't affect the Susano'o or Itachi

Here we see Kabuto impair Itachi and Sasuke's vision, hearing and overall movement using this technique:

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The sight part of Kabuto's technique works like a flash bomb. Notice that they both had to close their eyes:

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Now look at Shikamaru throw activate a flash bomb from a kunai:

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Notice the effect of 1 flash bomb:

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Imagine sending several of them on a kunai like Sasuke did, the kunai would hit the Yata Mirror and the flash bombs would activate. Even though the Uchiha inside will remain unaffected, they won't see the Hyuga at all for a substantial amount of time.

Now we all know a kunai can't penetrate the Yata Mirror or the Susano'o for that matter of fact and so it is a guarantee that it will hit the the mirror or Susano'o, break and then the flash bombs will explode.

Can an Uchiha simply dodge the attack?
I think not, the Susano'o is extremely huge and to dodge the attack seems very unlikely. Up until now, fast kunai attacks have just been blocked by the Uchiha. Blocking the attack then impairs the Uchiha's vision. Using flash bombs can really drag the battle out until Susano'o fades away.

5) An ordinary Susano'o sword

Here Sasuke uses it cut the pillars and destroy the building of the 5 Kage Summit:

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Here we see Sasuke cut the roots of the Shinju (Ten-Tails):

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Note that the root is extremely huge. So landing a hit is so much easier that hitting a Huga who will be on the ground. The reason Sasuke use his crossbow on people is because hitting small figures on the ground using the Susano'o sword is very difficult and the chances of getting a hit are very slim. Also note that the roots of the shinju probably aren't that quick considering that it only successfully caught weaker shinobi. So it is a feat to cut the root but to have managed to land a blow is not so much of a feat.
So there isn't enough evidence to suggest that this blade is super quick. So it is extremely strong and could probably kill the Hyuga, but that's only if it manages a blow.

6) How does a Hyuga get rid of Susano'o?
There have been many theories on other threads.CC proposes that the Hyuga technique COULD affect Susano'o here:

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Even if it weren't true, Susano'o can't be sustained for too long without Hashirama's cells or Juugo's cells. And so as long as the Hyuga's can dodge and counter. Sooner or later the Susano'o will get rid of itself.

So in conclusion
1) Deflect arrows
2) Dodge Totsuka
3) Dodge/Divert Yasaka
4) Throw flash-bombs at Yata Mirror and hard armour
5) Dodge ordinary sword
6) Wait out the Susano'o

 

[Flakez]

tl;dr

ot; No.

 

[QuickSilver2388]

That's an awful lot of defense

 

[a banned cartoon]

It's always fun to have high hopes for your favorite characters but, come on.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

You have some good points. Would Amaterastu burn through rotation since it is not the movement of gravity like Shinra Tensei, and amaterastu burns through anything like with Sasuke fire ball.

 

[Tobi98]

You have some good points. Would Amaterastu burn through rotation since it is not the movement of gravity like Shinra Tensei, and amaterastu burns through anything like with Sasuke fire ball.

No, because Amateratsu only burns the point that it hits (it doesn't spread), so it wouldn't pass the chakra and since the Hyuuga is always releasing and spinning the chakra, the Uchiha would need to be spamming Amateratsu until the rotation stops

OT: Out of 100 battles Hiashi would at least win the last 80 fights against the same MS user

 

[Genjin]

Lets wait a bit more. I swear Byakugan users will get powerups. I hope.

 

[archbeta]

You have some good points. Would Amaterastu burn through rotation since it is not the movement of gravity like Shinra Tensei, and amaterastu burns through anything like with Sasuke fire ball.

One could compare Vacuum Wall Palm to Shinra Tensei which was able to move Amaterasu. But there was already a thread for that. I didn't want to include other stuff. The theory is long enough already!

 

[Made in Heaven]

I agree. I think that's obvious. But truthfully, few will really read..

 

[Made in Heaven]

Air palm also destroys chakra, and susano'O, its sword, arrows, and such are all chakra

 

[Erebus]

1.Danzo blocked it by putting a physical object in it's path.

Baku's from the front and Danzo's from the back, imagine what would happen if you're going down a rollercaoaster and then someone tips you

2.Oro was still only a small target there

i believe Nagato is also a sensor type

3. I can't remeber when he used it well, but those do seem smaller than the one he used against Nagato's tech

4. Are u retarded, you want to use a a Hyuuga to use flash bombs when they themselves have hyper-sensitive eyes?

5. That is true, but if others are able to manipulate size or remote control theirs like Madara this point would be rendered invalid(I think Sasuke might be able to manipulate the size of his, but i'm not sure)

6. I've read many of CC's theories and i'm not convinced.

Conclusion: NO. They might be able to go against the skeletal version, and to some extent the one above it, but i don't see them doing shit when it's clothed

 

[BlacLord™]

You have some good points. Would Amaterastu burn through rotation since it is not the movement of gravity like Shinra Tensei, and amaterastu burns through anything like with Sasuke fire ball.

Amaterasu hits before any Hyuga could move.

And if anyone brings up Gaara at the Summit, Sasuke was using Enton to move pre-existing flames which is slower.

 

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I agree. I think that's obvious. But truthfully, few will really read..

True and I went through all of that effort. But at least hard work pays off cause along with your thread, I think we've proved Hyuga > Uchiha.

 

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1.Danzo blocked it by putting a physical object in it's path.

Baku's from the front and Danzo's from the back, imagine what would happen if you're going down a rollercaoaster and then someone tips you

2.Oro was still only a small target there

i believe Nagato is also a sensor type

3. I can't remeber when he used it well, but those do seem smaller than the one he used against Nagato's tech

4. Are u retarded, you want to use a a Hyuuga to use flash bombs when they themselves have hyper-sensitive eyes?

5. That is true, but if others are able to manipulate size or remote control theirs like Madara this point would be rendered invalid(I think Sasuke might be able to manipulate the size of his, but i'm not sure)

6. I've read many of CC's theories and i'm not convinced.

Conclusion: NO. They might be able to go against the skeletal version, and to some extent the one above it, but i don't see them doing shit when it's clothed

1. That doesn't disprove the argument because Danzou also used a Vacuum Bullet technique.
2. Yes, but he couldn't move and he was on par in terms of height. Those factors negate the size.
3. I said that even if Nagato saw it coming, he can't walk properly or dodge.
4. Was Sasuke affected by the Paper Bombs? Was Shikamaru blinded by the flash bomb? The answer is no. The Hyuga will be far enough away from the blinding light.
5. I remember that part. Madara was assisted by Moukton when he stabbed Tsunade from a distance. But even if he wasn't, we can't assume that Sasuke can do that.
6. Try again

 

[Vandenreich]

I can never take these seriously.

 

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Amaterasu hits before any Hyuga could move.

And if anyone brings up Gaara at the Summit, Sasuke was using Enton to move pre-existing flames which is slower.

Hyuga will sense pressure build up.

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[sasukesworld]

didn't read

and no

 

[EmbraceNixFifty]

Uchiha > Hyuga.

 

[Dark Link]

This might be done but only by the current head of the Hyuuga

 

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Uchiha > Hyuga.

Is that just your opinion. Your opinion is valid. I just want to know in case I have to strengthen my argument.