Might Gai vs Tsunade

[Haizaki]

Gai goes to jail for rape

 

[shelke]

Except Tsunade cannot heal from the damage on the scale of what Gai pumps out. Tsunade has never taken damage that is instantly lethal; Magatamas to the gut, two swords to the gut, Kusanagi to the torso - all of this is damage that would eventually become lethal if unattended, but it is by no means instantly lethal thanks to demonstrations by Zabuza, Haku, Rin, Asuma, Neji, Karin, Danzo, etc.

It is hyperbole because Mabui has zero basis for making that statement. She said that statement based on the technique's mechanics, not that she has ever tried it on a person. She said "it will probably kill you" not "I have tried it before." In theory, she thought it would kill her, but it didn't.

The orbs are a technique acquired by becoming the Jinchuuriki of the Juubi, they are not an extension of the individual's physical durability. Madara's physical body is augmented by 9 tailed beasts worth of power, and we've seen the durability that just one of those nine beasts in a weaker form is capable of (KN4, KN6).

Taijutsu and Senjutsu attacks don't hurt a Juubi Jinchuuriki anymore than they hurt a regular person. There is no exclusive "damage multiplier" when Senjutsu or Taijutsu is used against a Juubi Jinchuuriki. Taijutsu / Senjutsu only bypass the orbs if the attack is powerful enough. The orbs aren't inherently weak to it. Just look at Evening Elephant; it failed to break the black barrier when launched from a distance. It only broke through when Gai managed to hit it "directly" when he landed the punch right on Madara's back.

Gai only utilizes air Pressure based moves, which would explain the shock-waves as well. As I said, and keep repeating, Speed of Light is a huge argument. You are just creating excuses to validate something which isn't there. I wouldn't go into intricacies of Translations and Language boundaries exist. Her reluctance to not teleport them speaks volumes.

They are hardly techniques, as they were present on the original sage as well - swirling underneath him as they appear to be connected to the Sage's body if not explicitly, implicitly. They are utilized by the Sage to nullify Chakra based attacks. The manga states that only Taijutsu and Senjutsu work - which tiers? None are given. Therefore, you cannot simply assume that a tier exists, when the manga has declared both of these to be the Jin's Achilles heel, then so they are.

As for the durability boost, then let's see feats of Juubi Jins impossible level durability that you keep repeatedly suggesting. The fact that it actually has a body and the 9 Tailed Beasts are nothing but chakra manifestations born from its chakra torn up in nine pieces completely chages their properties.

The orbs have no durability. There is nothing to suggest it that they have any other function than being Chakra nullifiers. I never stated that there is an exclusive multiplayer. But it is also a fact that no gauge is in place. None. 8th Gate is debatable, but 7th gate? Tsunade wins this handily. Nothing in Gai's arsenal is breaking her apart. Nothing suggests it, nothing shows it.

How is it hilarious?

Because this gate's exhibition was borderline retarded.

 

[Nebula]

Pretty sure Gai can beat her without gates by using normal taijutsu.
As long as he doesn't get hit then he can out last her.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

@ the bold. Congrats. I see no reason to get worked up but, to each his own.

So tell me are you positing that Gai will stationarily throw all of these strikes, despite that being complete out of character, and physically improbable. The way I see what you're saying is this. Gai will instantly go gates, then proceed to blitz Tsunade, and no point does Tsunade do any action whatsoever, and at no point Gai cease his activity until she can no longer regenerate? Am I framing your argument correctly?

Nothing suggests, that with full knowledge this is what Gai would do, afterall against Obito there were several times that he was out of gates. And even if it were what Gai would do, you think that Tsunade wouldn't attempt something akin to what Kabuto did against Naruto. It may be true, that Gai can outspeed her, but if he's determined to beat her to a bloody pulp faster than she can regenerate, that involves not backing off. Which also allows for counter attacks. Which is why I asked said question.

When a boxer is pushed into a corner and being hammered away with punches more than capable of breaking bones, do they not have the ability to strike back. That seems to be your argument, that in the 7th Gate Tsunade will just be paralyzed. What opponent has Gai used the seventh gate against in which his opponent due to the speed of the seventh gate was incapable of movement. Or maybe you're arguing the broken bones will hinder Tsunade's ability to move. But as it didn't hinder Gai's ability to move nor Kisame's I don't think that claim adds up either. Or maybe you think the pain will stop Tsunade from moving, but didn't Gai himself hesitate to pain but grow accustomed to it once he knew what to expect, and because able to fight through it? Tsunade certainly feels the effects of pain, that's not deniable but as she was jumping around with swords in her belly and diving in front of Naruto with deep cuts on her abdomen I see pain stopping Tsunade to seem a little weak as an argument.

Maybe, you'd say Tsunade isn't fast enough to react, to Gai's punches whatsoever and at no point in time will she be fast enough to touch him. If that's your argument you might have a claim if we were talking about footspeed. But Tsunade has excellent reactionary feats of her own. And insofar as her opponent is right in front of her, he'd either have to get the heck out of the way, block, or tank.

Blocking is out of the question, as that would leave an immediate opening for Ranshinsho. Tanking is out of the question as he'd die or be maimed. And getting out of the way, means he isn't constantly beating on Tsunade, which obviously gives her time to not only heal, but to possibly perform other tasks. And finally to answer your question, neither you nor I can answer in the affirmative of what is possible in terms of byakugou just treating broken bones. But if we're talking about what's likely to happen in an actual battle, then it's not likely Gai will be able to do what happens in Naruto Storm after you run out of substitutions. He won't perform endless combos. All of his combos have a start and finishing point. And thus, more than adequate reprieve for Tsunade's Byakugou to work if it is being overtaken.

Bold is all I needed to know, thank you. As for underline, morning peacock until he has nothing left or finish with hirudora. She can't defend herself against it.

 

[maniaoqan]

7th gate is more than enough for the likes of Tsunade Senju.

 

[KCN]

8th gate is a draw, and 7th gate could go either way.

 

[Tazzilla88]

Bold is all I needed to know, thank you. As for underline, morning peacock until he has nothing left or finish with hirudora. She can't defend herself against it.

Though in your original asking of the question you committed the logical fallacy of Complex Question, and I feel as though you are indirectly using the argument from ignorance in this post.

Unless, your not positing that Gai can do such a thing.
So why can't she defend herself from morning peacock? It is literally hail of fireballs coming in your direction. Painful, yes, but not paralyzing.

 

[Latios]

I think 6th Gate Gai might even be able to win this.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

The only times in which punches and kicks have removed body parts/ hit through someone
1. Tsunade's punch
2. Cloaked Lee's kick
3. Gai's 8th gate Dynamic Entry

Nothing suggests gates power before 8th gate is capable of lopping off limbs from not element enhanced strikes.

And both Tsunade and Gai have amazing staminas.
I mean Tsunade healed and refilled the chakra of 4 kages, including Ay, before healing Shikamaru from chakra depletion, summoning Katsuyu, and then healing thousands of SA soldiers.

Gai on the other hand, has been fighting for an extremely long time, and used multiple gates. That said he also had the benefit of having a chakra cloak for some parts of his battle. But he fought the night against the seven swordsmen, and initially fought against Obito seemingly without a heal (though Sakura was with him when he fought the 7 swordsman so maybe not)

You just invented a whole new level of stupidity. That logic is frighteningly horrible. I'm out.

 

[Tazzilla88]

You just invented a whole new level of stupidity. That logic is frighteningly horrible. I'm out.

Please I beg of you prove me wrong. Because I guarantee you, that you'll look like the idiot.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Though in your original asking of the question you committed the logical fallacy of Complex Question, and I feel as though you are indirectly using the argument from ignorance in this post.

Unless, your not positing that Gai can do such a thing.
So why can't she defend herself from morning peacock? It is literally hail of fireballs coming in your direction. Painful, yes, but not paralyzing.

I don't know what you just said, but I'll put it like this. If Byakogou can keep up with all the damage, then Tsunade wins. If not, then Gai wins; and I'll leave it at that. Of course, this is not including the 8th gate.

From my understanding of the jutsu, the victim is getting hit by the punches, as well as being set ablazed and taking damage from the fire blasts as well. And judging by what it did to Kisame, you can't defend yourself from hundreds of heavy punches within just seconds. You can't even move a muscle.

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[Optimistic]

Tsunade takes this once again Gai needs 8th gates to win.

 

[Tazzilla88]

I don't know what you just said, but I'll put it like this. If Byakogou can keep up with all the damage, then Tsunade wins. If not, then Gai wins; and I'll leave it at that. Of course, this is not including the 8th gate.

From my understanding of the jutsu, the victim is getting hit by the punches, as well as being set ablazed and taking damage from the fire blasts as well. And judging by what it did to Kisame, you can't defend yourself from hundreds of heavy punches within just seconds. You can't even move a muscle.

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The Databook is full of hyperbole, such as suggesting that Gai can levitate infinitely. Because he only uses it the air. Again wasn't Kisame's clone close to it's limit. Regardless, defending yourself from the punches should be possible, but then again if he's close enough to touch her, she could forego defense and opt to go with the gamble of ranshinsho. The would be the problem with the technique. Tsunade batted away chakra infused fire balls, presumably chakra infused fire is stronger than natural fire. I really don't morning peacock taking her out, he could use it for a couple of second until returning back to the ground. Also hitting Tsunade in mid air, would seemingly throw her towards the ground, and with more distance the attack becomes weaker.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Gai's own fire is superior to that of chakra oriented flames. His was able to evaporate beings made of liquid. Kisame's suiton sharks. I post a scan but I'm on a phone.

But yeah. That itself should show his fire is superior to the chakra countetpart

 

[Tazzilla88]

Gai's own fire is superior to that of chakra oriented flames. His was able to evaporate beings made of liquid. Kisame's suiton sharks. I post a scan but I'm on a phone.

But yeah. That itself should show his fire is superior to the chakra countetpart

Didn't Madara's flames evaporate suitons as well as Kakuzu's, as well as every fire style clashing with water style. I don't see what shape manipulation has to do with anything.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Kakuzus was a combination of wind and fire, I I recall. Against a shinobi with no real notable suiton feats outside of a water source.

Fair point on Madara, though he had shown some of the grander scaled fire styled jutsu in the manga. But when met with a dkilled suiton user, his fire oriented jutsu were put out. Gai went up against another skilled suiton user and managed to put his suiton creations out, with less fire (in terms of how much there is in a single ignited punch) then either Kakuzu or Madara.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Sixth gate is all that is needed. Gai moved so fast Kisame couldn't even think.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

^ not even true... He nearly hit Gai....

 

[Tazzilla88]

Kakuzus was a combination of wind and fire, I I recall. Against a shinobi with no real notable suiton feats outside of a water source.

Fair point on Madara, though he had shown some of the grander scaled fire styled jutsu in the manga. But when met with a dkilled suiton user, his fire oriented jutsu were put out. Gai went up against another skilled suiton user and managed to put his suiton creations out, with less fire (in terms of how much there is in a single ignited punch) then either Kakuzu or Madara.

Yes, I understand your point, but I imagine should lots of fire techniques be launched at the sharks or should a wide scale technique be launched then the same result would occur. Most katon users would face the issue of range of damage necessary, not power.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Ahh. If I get the chance to, I'll reply when on a computer.