Sakon & Ukon, Tayuya, Jirobo & Kidomaru stronger than MS Sasuke?

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Would the sound 5 be on MS Sasukes lvl if they managed to stay alive and evolve their skills? How strong would they be at the point in the manga when Sasuke got his MS?

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(左近, Sakon) and his older brother (右近, Ukon) were twin brothers from Otogakure and the apparent leader(s) of the Sound Four.
Sakon and Ukon were noted by Orochimaru to be the strongest and fastest of the entire Sound Four, surpassed only by Kimimaro. In the anime, their strength was valued enough to be reincarnated by Kabuto Yakushi. Furthermore, Shikamaru stated that the duo's prowess was of jōnin-level.
So we know at the age of 14 Sakon & Ukon was consindered Jounin lvl & Kabuto used them to fight VS Itachi & Sasuke, even tho Sakon & Ukons skills havent been upgraded since Part 1.

With their kekkei genkai, Sakon and Ukon were able to merge and separate with each other at will. When Ukon separates from Sakon's body, the two can attack independently. However, he was not used to moving on his own for too long and thus he would tire out easily. The two could heal any injures very quickly when merged together. Under the influence of the cursed seal, this ability was enhanced enough to allow them to merge with the bodies of others.They could also summon Rashomon, a defensive summon.

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Ukon uses their Kekkei Genkai to invade Kiba's body and destroy him at a cellular level.
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Tayuya (多由也, Tayuya) was a kunoichi of Otogakure and the only female member of the Sound Four. She used sound genjutsu and summonings as her main weapons

As one of the Sound Four, an elite group who served at Orochimaru's direct orders, Tayuya was a strong kunoichi. She claimed to be the second strongest member of the Sound Four, subsequent only to Sakon. She was also very intelligent, and could think of excellent strategies, though not quite parallel with those of Shikamaru. In the anime, another testament to her skills was her being chosen for reincarnation by Kabuto Yakushi. Furthermore, Shikamaru stated that Tayuya's prowess was of jōnin-level.​

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As one of Orochimaru's closest and most powerful warriors, Tayuya was branded with a cursed seal. When in Level 2 Cursed Seal form, her hair grew longer, remaining pink, her skin became a dark shade of brown, and she grew several horns on the top of her head. In this state, she gained an immense boost in strength, stamina and endurance, which allowed her to surpass even Shikamaru's various shadow techniques.​
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Tayuya was the only member of the Sound Four to use sound as her primary fighting style, in the form of her Demonic Flute. She was shown to have immense skill using it.Since it was transmitted through the sound of her flute, it had an extremely long range and power, and could affect the opponent even if she didn't know their exact location.

Jirōbō (次郎坊, Jirōbō) was a shinobi of Otogakure and a member of the Sound Four. and would end up as a weaker fat Chouji. According to Orochimaru, he was the physically strongest member of the Sound Four but the weakest overall.
he was a formidable opponent. In the anime, another testament to his prowess was him being chosen for reincarnation by Kabuto Yakushi. Furthermore, Shikamaru stated that Jirōbō's prowess was easily at jōnin-level.​
When in his cursed seal level 2 form, he could even lift a mountain-sized Chōji with one hand. Much of his strength was refined into the Arhat Fist fighting style, his main form of combat, which combined simple taijutsu strikes with Jirōbō's incredible physical strength to cause massive damage to his opponents.​

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One of Jirōbō's abilities was that he could drain chakra from his enemies through simple physical contact or his earth structures.

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When in Level 2 Cursed Seal form, his mohawk grew into a long mane, his skin turned into brownish-red colour and had various warts across his forehead and shoulders. In this state, his physical strength was increased ten-fold.

kidōmaru (鬼童丸, Kidōmaru) was a shinobi from Otogakure and a member of the Sound Four. Kidōmaru generally saw a battle as a game, and often played around with the opponent too much because he preferred to have fun seeing the opponent struggle; due to this, he tended to slow down his team by over extending the battle with an opponent he was interested in.

Kidōmaru had a unique body structure. He possessed two extra pairs of arms. These allowed him to add extra power and variety into his attacks, hold multiple tools, simultaneously perform multiple tasks, and form several hand seals at once. He could also use the multiple arms to pull his bowstring to incredible tension, drastically increasing the arrows' power.

He also possessed a third eye on his forehead, usually concealed by his forehead protector. In a serious battle, he would reveal the eye. This eye increased his perception and accuracy by a significant amount, allowing him to pinpoint the enemy's vital points with his arrow. The eye was precise enough to allow him to note his arrow missed the intended target by 15 cm, even at a 50 metres distance.

When in his Level 2 cursed seal form, his skin became dark red, he gained horns on his forehead, shoulders and elbows, grew long white hair, and gained spinnerets enabling him to spin webs without using his chakra,
and the weapons produced by them were even deadlier than before.
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They also have amazing synergi with combinated attacks and jutsu that require them all to perform, it would be amazing if they could have devoloped that further :)



This was all from me, hope you liked it and try to use your imagination how far could they go? they have all unique abilities that are quite OP i wish we had seen more of them instead of those EDOS. Be original instead of typing something like SASUKE SOLOS! i know he do Lol i want to debate on something else beside the sons, Naruto, Madara & Sasuke its always the same. Hope you had a great day ;)
 
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they're Fodder . Didn't have to read to notice MS sasuke takes laughable diff
 

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Well thats *IF* they were alive but they are not U_U

But good job on the thread i like it xD
 

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they were defeated by genin.

kabuto used them because of plot no jutsu.
 

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They were going to follow sasuke since oro said that sasuke will be their leader :snick:
 

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I did in no way say they are "stronger" i asked if they would be able to reach the same tier lvl as MS sasuke read for gods sake
 

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the sound 5 and the soudn trio all but zaku beat by plot shino vs zaku only legit non plot fight
 

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they're Fodder . Didn't have to read to notice MS sasuke takes laughable diff
Its exactly reasoning like yours that makes it so boring to debate and use imagination on the base, i did in no way say they could win over sasuke, i asked how strong they would be up to the point when Sasuke got MS if they were alive.
read for fks sake :eww:
 

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Tayuya's genjutsu would be the only problem for Sasuke. He can deal with the others with Susano'o fairly easily. But we know it can't block sound. His only chance for surviving would be to put his sharingan to use, and watch her finger movements like Shikamaru did. I have no doubts that Sasuke could acquire this information even if he isn't as intelligent as Shikamaru himself.
 

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No probably not. Reason? Just look at how Kishi developed the K11. which is, he didn't not really. Like all the other side characters, Kishi would not have spent any time giving them any real development and they would have been left behind. much like they were in the Filler when they returned as Edo and were defeated rather easily this time by K11.

That being said. If Kishi did spend time developing them then yeah they would have new jutsu that would probably rival most S Class, especially if they kept the curse mark. Maybe Curse Mark lvl 3?
 
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Tayuya's genjutsu would be the only problem for Sasuke. He can deal with the others with Susano'o fairly easily. But we know it can't block sound. His only chance for surviving would be to put his sharingan to use, and watch her finger movements like Shikamaru did. I have no doubts that Sasuke could acquire this information even if he isn't as intelligent as Shikamaru himself.
Its not a VS thread
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No probably not. Reason? Just look at how Kishi developed the K11. which is, he didn't not really. Like all the other side characters, Kishi would not have spent any time giving them any real development and they would have been left behind. much like they were in the Filler when they returned as Edo and were defeated rather easily this time by K11.

Exactly that is why im asking you how strong YOU think they would have gotten and what tier around they would be at :)
 

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They put a better fight against Hebi Sauske as a group so long as Mr Bonerson is around.
 

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Exactly that is why im asking you how strong YOU think they would have gotten and what tier around they would be at :)

Take a look at my post again. I edited it a bit to answer that.
 

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Exactly that is why im asking you how strong YOU think they would have gotten and what tier around they would be at :)

ur analysis skill r awesome u should try more thread and avoid those titles
 

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Only Kimmimaro could stand up to an MS Sasuke.
Vs Jirobo:
Sasuke's speed allows him to dodge attacks and slash Jirobo up. Chidori Spear goes through all of Jirobo's defences. Sasuke won't get caught in the dome and if he does, Susano will break him out.

Vs Kidoumaru:
If Kidoumaru uses the webs to try and tangle Sasuke, Dragon Flame Jutsu travels through it and burns Kidomaru. Chidori Nagashi handles the several hundred bugs and any Katon or Anaterasu kills his summon. Chidori should break through the armour and if it can't, Susano will crush him.

Vs Tayuya:
If Susano can alter his chakra flow, Sasuke can break out of the flute Genjutsu. The Doki get destroyed by Susano. Taijutsu speed completely overwhelms Tayuya and is Sasuke's most likely first move which would kill her instantly.

Vs Sakon/Ukon:
Chidori Nagashi and Enton Kagutsuchi prevents them from getting anywhere near him. Even if they do manage to take over Sasuke's body, it's unlikely they will be able to handle the strain of Susano. Susano or Amaterasu wins this for him.

None of them really had potential or characters to expand on and their purpose in the story was to develop some of K11 (though the fights were awesome).
 
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