Gai stomps her in the 7th gate. In fact,if gai has access to a kunai/sword(any sharp weapon) I would argue that base gai would solo via blitzing and beheading her.
Mabui has never tried it on people barring the 3rd Raikage, thus why she said "I'm pretty certain" it won't work. In theory, the technique sounded unsafe to use on people, and I don't blame her for her uncertainty. If any human without regeneration was bleeding as much as Tsunade was, they would have eventually died due to the aforementioned bloodloss. However, Tsunade can close the wounds thanks to regeneration.
It, in no way, reflects on her durability. Simply her regenerative prowess, which nobody was ever bringing into question anyway.
It's a reaching argument, when 'Speed of Light' is the factor here. No one was talking about her physical durability without her Immortality technique. She survives 7th gate. 8th would kill her.
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Don't have time for long debates, given my mids. Otherwise, I would have elaborated on this.
Tsunade never displayed durability. Her gut was pierced by Madara's smallest Magatamas, unless you want to imply that Magatamas are stronger than the very liberally used and clearly hyperbolic "speed of light." If Tsunade were ever implied to be a durable individual, it would have been shown. Every single time Tsunade survives damage, it is thanks to reliance upon regeneration, not durability.
The Juubi Jinchuuriki isn't "weak against Senjutsu and Taijutsu." It isn't like the elemental wheel, where fire beats wind, wind beats lightning, etc. It's just that Senjutsu and Taijutsu are the only things that have a shot at hurting him to begin with.
It should also be noted that Madara's Juubi form is far superior to Obito's. Madara has 50% Kyuubi and the entire 8 tails inside of him, the two strongest beasts. Where Madara had 50% Kyuubi (which easily dispatched 5 other tailed beasts alone) and the 8 tails (second strongest beast), Obito only had some Kyuubi chakra residue and one measly Hachibi tail. Madara also has Sage Mode durability from his Hashirama implant, further bolstering physical durability.
Tsunade never displayed durability. She was pierced by Madara's smallest Magatamas, unless you want to imply that Magatamas are stronger than the very liberally used and clearly hyperbolic "speed of light." If Tsunade were ever implied to be a durable individual, it would have been shown. Every single time Tsunade survives damage, it is thanks to reliance upon regeneration, not durability.
The Juubi Jinchuuriki isn't "weak against Senjutsu and Taijutsu." It isn't like the elemental wheel, where fire beats wind, wind beats lightning, etc. It's just that Senjutsu and Taijutsu are the only things that have a shot at hurting him to begin with.
It should also be noted that Madara's Juubi form is far superior to Obito's. Madara has 50% Kyuubi and the entire 8 tails inside of him, the two strongest beasts. Where Madara had 50% Kyuubi (which easily dispatched 5 other tailed beasts alone) and the 8 tails (second strongest beast), Obito only had some Kyuubi chakra residue and one measly Hachibi tail.
She was using her technique the whole time. Seriously, what's your point? Gai has no piercing-based attacks, so the example is not relevant. Tsunade heals whatever damage she receives. It wasn't a hyperbole at all, and is thus, a feat. You are just trying to grasp something to create a factor here.
The Orbs are the actual factor here, which create the entire protection factor for the Jin. Since they are a non-factor before Senjutsu and Taijutsu, I would declare it a weakness, as these modes of attacks are capable of bypassing them.
Except Tsunade cannot heal from the damage on the scale of what Gai pumps out. Tsunade has never taken damage that is instantly lethal; Magatamas to the gut, two swords to the gut, Kusanagi to the torso - all of this is damage that would eventually become lethal if unattended, but it is by no means instantly lethal thanks to demonstrations by Zabuza, Haku, Rin, Asuma, Neji, Karin, Danzo, etc.
It is hyperbole because Mabui has zero basis for making that statement. She said that statement based on the technique's mechanics, not that she has ever tried it on a person. She said "it will probably kill you" not "I have tried it before." In theory, she thought it would kill her, but it didn't.
The orbs are a technique acquired by becoming the Jinchuuriki of the Juubi, they are not an extension of the individual's physical durability. Madara's physical body is augmented by 9 tailed beasts worth of power, and we've seen the durability that just one of those nine beasts in a weaker form is capable of (KN4, KN6).
Taijutsu and Senjutsu attacks don't hurt a Juubi Jinchuuriki anymore than they hurt a regular person. There is no exclusive "damage multiplier" when Senjutsu or Taijutsu is used against a Juubi Jinchuuriki. Taijutsu / Senjutsu only bypass the orbs if the attack is powerful enough. The orbs aren't inherently weak to it. Just look at Evening Elephant; it failed to break the black barrier when launched from a distance. It only broke through when Gai managed to hit it "directly" when he landed the punch right on Madara's back.
No it's not. What's this nonsense? Lmfao. Not even evening elephant will do it. Afternoon tiger and evening elephant both use air pressure which causes more internal damage than anything. That's suppose to kill tsunade who survived being split in 2 with byakugo off? lolz.
>Inb4 they blow tsunade into piece
>Inb4 guy chops off tsunade's head with his fist
To question durability is pointless since the strongest person in the manga thus far almost got killed buy the likes of 8 gates. Tsunade would not stand a chance in hell of touching guy let alone defend herself and whoever begs to differ needs to spend a good couple of hours looking at the last few chapters.
The fact that Gai knows about her Seal and byakugo means he will go for the organ that is 100% not going to recover from it. The brain. These cells do not regenerate and without the brain the other cells cant regenerate either. The speed and strength he has demonstrated in the 7th gate puts him tiers above Tsunade. Someone give me a legitimate reason as to why he will not go for her skull knowing full well that there is no other place on her body that can "Kill" her. If he manages to rip her body in half however she will die.
She NEEDED Katsuya to put her body back together again which proves that she can not regenerate a new lower half, she will bleed out and thus die. This includes the internal skeletal structure being broken or shattered. Recovery if anything is now sluggish. But whatever; gai strikes the skull
Gai only needs access to Kyōmon to beat Tsunade. Worst case scenario, he uses Hachimon Tonko no Jin and beats her with Sekizō, which doesn't cause death as soon as the attack is over. Unlike Yagai, which, at the very worst could be used to get a Tie.
8th Gate Gai is a stalement given that he himself dies. He loses the rest. She survived getting Teleported at the Speed of Light via her Immortality Technique, which should have killed her instantly. Nothing Gai does would compare to that. It's only the hilarious 8th gate that makes the difference.
No it's not. What's this nonsense? Lmfao. Not even evening elephant will do it. Afternoon tiger and evening elephant both use air pressure which causes more internal damage than anything. That's suppose to kill tsunade who survived being split in 2 with byakugo off? lolz.
>Inb4 they blow tsunade into piece
>Inb4 guy chops off tsunade's head with his fist
Except that Byakugo has only been shown to heal external damage.
All that's needed is 6 Gates. Gai just keeps on using Asa Kujaku until Tsunade's Byakugo runs out. Plus, she hasn't been shown to heal damage that can instantly kill anyway, so Asa Kujaku/Hirudora should do the trick first time.
Except that Byakugo has only been shown to heal external damage.
All that's needed is 6 Gates. Gai just keeps on using Asa Kujaku until Tsunade's Byakugo runs out. Plus, she hasn't been shown to heal damage that can instantly kill anyway, so Asa Kujaku/Hirudora should do the trick first time.
No it does heal internal injuries or Tsunades body would still be in half. But the recuperative stage takes much longer, if she gets a wound that deep then recovery failiure is imminent
Except that Byakugo has only been shown to heal external damage.
All that's needed is 6 Gates. Gai just keeps on using Asa Kujaku until Tsunade's Byakugo runs out. Plus, she hasn't been shown to heal damage that can instantly kill anyway, so Asa Kujaku/Hirudora should do the trick first time.
No it does heal internal injuries or Tsunades body would still be in half. But the recuperative stage takes much longer, if she gets a wound that deep then recovery failiure is imminent
It doesn't matter what you think is logical or not; Gai shot Hirudora in the middle of an ocean, and it had to travel through a building sized shark made out of condensed water before hitting Kisame. It was weakened before hitting Kisame. And as I have told you already, Gai had no intention to kill Kisame.
How can you say every use was identical when Gai was in varying situations when each occurred?
Because Kishi obviously care about the varying situations to draw them all with the same scale and then draw them all having similar damage. Thus, Kishi has either never intended for us to see the full effect, or he simply ignores these "factors" and shows us the technique at maximum efficiency. Unless, you can find any scans to support your claim of what Hirudora can do.
As I've told you four times already, when he used it against Kisame it was underwater without intent to kill. Both factors weakened it, in addition to the fact that it had to travel through Kisame's ultimate technique before hitting him.
Now if the technique had truly weakened why was the air still in the shape of a tiger when it came out, pushing through all of that water would have distorted the tiger, lest Kishi intended for it to be at full power.
Against Madara, Gai has been fighting for a day nonstop, was restrained, and was having his chakra sapped by the Mokuton. Despite this, his Hirudora still destroyed Susano'o.
The attack was obviously properly launched as the tiger formed, Madara, just easily dealt with the attack and it came back and bit guy in the butt.
You said it has been used three times, and each of those times its performance identical. It is only three times if you count the one he used against Madara. When he used it against Madara, the technique was never properly complete. Madara swung down his staff while Gai was still launching the attack.
Tiger Formed, Guy Launched Attack, He took Damage.
It means that Madara was damaged sufficiently for the technique to be weakened. Madara could only have been damaged if Susano'o was destroyed
So according to you, the Mokuton binding magically got weaker just because, Madara is seen without Susano'o because he decided to turn it off for no reason, and he was sitting in the pile of rubble because he felt like it, despite previously stating he intended on capturing the 8 and 9 tails himself.
OR Ya know, Madara could have been distracted by being thrown. He doesn't need to be damaged to be distracted. And Damaged =/= losing his grip on an active technique.
Hashirama was not revived when he was fighting Gai. The rest of the alliance already arrived when Madara sensed Hashirama's revival.
Let me rephrase this, it is not out of character for Madara to sit out of a fight whilst bored or entertained
1. During the Gokage Fight, he allowed his wood clone to fight the Gokage
2. During the Gokage fight he watched as his 25 wood clones fought the Gokage
3. When Hashirama was around he sat and waited for Hashirama's arrival
4. While Obito was being defeated, he sat and waited for him to be weakened.
5. After Guy's Hirudora , Madara sat down casually
I can give you more examples, if you want to continue the denial.
Haku moved his hand to grab Kakashi's arm after getting impaled by a Raikiri to the heart.
Rin was able to talk after getting stabbed in the heart by Raikiri.
Obito was able to survive after getting stabbed in the heart by Raikiri.
Karin and Danzo both temporarily survived having a Chidori Eiso through the chest. The list literally goes on and on and on.
Interesting, I conceded that in the NV stabbed in heart doesn't mean sure death, but you proceeded to try to mount on that to make yourself look more right. I just find that more interesting.
Sure thing.
The shinobi Gaara popped with sand burials back in the Forest of Death.
Itachi's Shoten clone that was hit by Odama Rasengan.
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Gai instantly killed Kisame's Shoten Clone with Morning Peacock.
Now to the 1st bold, if Gai was packing that much instant KO power in his 7th gate, why did he punch Kisame with an unrestrained 7th gate punch and not do an insta-kill like Chouji did to Jirobo.
To the second bold, that's not an instant death, it's being hit by several fire balls constantly. However, iirc Kisame's clone was completely stationary at time of Asu kujaku.
Tsunade has not shown above average durability nor has it ever been implied that she has above average durability for a ninja. What saves her is regenerative capabilities, not physical durability. The only ninja that have displayed durability worth mentioning are Kimimaro, Kakuzu (Domu), 3rd Raikage, and to a lesser degree, 4th Raikage.
The teleportation technique was never tried on anybody but the 3rd Raikage and inanimate objects; Mabui was merely speculating on what it would do to a human. She said "
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Surely enough, it caused damage to Tsunade, but nothing more than skin deep lacerations. While those lacerations may kill a normal human due to excessive blood loss, Tsunade does not have to worry about that thanks to Byakugo. Mabui's technique is by no means an instant kill technique.
Juubi Jinchuuriki durability can be inferred by the parts that make it up. Kusanagi was bouncing off of 50% KN4's skin. 50% KN6 had its own Bijuudama explode an arm's reach away, and still got up. Add another eight tailed beasts, in addition to Sage Mode durability, and you easily have among the most durable entities in the manga.
The first bold is a clear lie. While Tsunade is not the most durable shinobi, I would say that her durability is top ten. I think quality of feats is more relevant than having a multitude of feats. Thus, I will use only few feats to emphasize my point. I will go from least impressive feats to most impressive feats. Therefore, the place to begin is with her fight with Kabuto.
In her battle with Kabuto he cut her intercostal muscles, her bicep muscles, and her Rectus Femoris.
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2nd Bold not quite what Mabui said.
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Her words seem to imply a certainty perhaps as a result of having tried it before
3rd Bold, Counter Argument- Sage Rasengan injured Obito, you can't stack toughness like that. Especially not tailed forms, as Juubidara was in human form.
Mabui has never tried it on people barring the 3rd Raikage, thus why she said "I'm pretty certain" it won't work. In theory, the technique sounded unsafe to use on people, and I don't blame her for her uncertainty. If any human without regeneration was bleeding as much as Tsunade was, they would have eventually died due to the aforementioned bloodloss. However, Tsunade can close the wounds thanks to regeneration.
It, in no way, reflects on her durability. Simply her regenerative prowess, which nobody was ever bringing into question anyway.
Correction, she say "We Do Know" Then explains that "the only one who has ever successfully traveled using this jutsu is the third Raikage." So not only do we have it confirmed that others have tried to use it, it makes Mabui's words fact, namely that a normal human would be torn apart during travel, and be dead on arrival. As Tsunade did not activate creation rebirth, until she arrived this proves a higher level of durability than is normal.
To more correct, Tsunade eventually treats wounds with healing or regeneration but does not survive because of it. She was surviving fine with her lacerations from Orochimaru, and regenerated to even the playing field. Her lacerations from Ethereal Transfer would have been survivable for her, but would have compromised her battle ability.
To question durability is pointless since the strongest person in the manga thus far almost got killed buy the likes of 8 gates. Tsunade would not stand a chance in hell of touching guy let alone defend herself and whoever begs to differ needs to spend a good couple of hours looking at the last few chapters.
She NEEDED Katsuya to put her body back together again which proves that she can not regenerate a new lower half, she will bleed out and thus die. This includes the internal skeletal structure being broken or shattered. Recovery if anything is now sluggish. But whatever; gai strikes the skull[/SIZE][/FONT]
She decided to use Katsuyu for two reasons, 1. Tsunade had only enough chakra to summon Katsuyu and not complete her job of healing the gokage. She very well could have healed herself, as Katsuyu heals through Tsunade's powers. But, she herself, didn't value her life over that over teammates. See the 1st rule of medics. Your proof suggests nothing whatsoever, especially given it was Tsunade's power which healed her. Duh. Not if Tsunade could heal internal and skeletal structures, how did she heal from Madara's first susanoo sword, better question, why is she now mobile?
Except that Byakugo has only been shown to heal external damage.
All that's needed is 6 Gates. Gai just keeps on using Asa Kujaku until Tsunade's Byakugo runs out. Plus, she hasn't been shown to heal damage that can instantly kill anyway, so Asa Kujaku/Hirudora should do the trick first time.
Describe internal damage as I believe having organs blasted and cut apart constitutes as internal damage. Hell, Tsunade's ordinary medical ninjutsu, managed to heal Naruto's chakra network.
gai wont have to go 8th gate to win it. 6th of 7th gate will easily overwhelm her and I would even suggest that using lower gates would be enough. her durability is nowhere on the level of jubidara and would be far more susceptible to being completely torn up.
What is this....... I don't even.................... She lived and was healing the other 4 kage with her torso torn off from her lower half of her body, and just to heal Those kage she had to summon Katsuyu in that state. Lol when it comes to durability no one surpasses Tsunade(except Oro, maybe they are tied) lol do you read the manga?
There is no maybe when the talk is about the 8th Gate, when it's clear that Gai destroys the five Kage combined with that, no matter if we call it win or tie; the Gokage is gonna die if facing the 8th Gate. That was even implied by Kakashi.
Tsunde gets stomped like less than zero diff by the 8th Gate. So anything worth a debate is the 7th gate.
