Hagoromo could have stopped Madara on his own

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

Let's face the facts. Hagoromo as a traveller who does not have a physical body and isn't a juubi jin anymore was able to give naruto and sasuke's current power ups in one go. And these powerups would probably be enough for Naruto and Sasuke to confront Madara. This alone speaks in the difference of abilities between Hagoromo and Madara. If Hagoromo was on the battlefield, jin or not, he would have immediately stopped Madara because of his abilities.

 

[Gein]

No ones arguing with you here bro.

Surely hope not

 

[swirlyshark]

lol true but we will never know for sure

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

No ones arguing with you here bro.

Surely hope not

Perhaps you were right after all.

 

[KingHashirama]

False. Hagomoro who is the "living" chakra has the juubi's chakra in him also.. hence why you see the horns, and etc.

And also, he went in Naruto/Sasuke's mind when they were nearly close to death... So there is no proof of him even being able to confront someone face to face.

Furthermore, Naruto and Sasuke not only have their abilities.. but have the things given to them by Obito and Kabuto.... and then they have rikudou's abilities/powers.

So big difference here.

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

False. Hagomoro who is the "living" chakra has the juubi's chakra in him also.. hence why you see the horns, and etc.

And also, he went in Naruto/Sasuke's mind when they were nearly close to death... So there is no proof of him even being able to confront someone face to face.

So you mean that if he is alive and isn't a jinchuriki, Madara still outclasses him?

 

[KingHashirama]

So you mean that if he is alive and isn't a jinchuriki, Madara still outclasses him?

long shot.. Wtf. It took him and his bro to even seal the Juubi.... rofl. Madara did it effortlessely. only 50% of kurama missing.. rofl.

Sorry but live rikudou is weaker than VOTE legends also.

 

[Limbo]

So you mean that if he is alive and isn't a jinchuriki, Madara still outclasses him?

Current Madz is far above pre-jin SO6P

 

[TheSageOfNinetails]

long shot.. Wtf. It took him and his bro to even seal the Juubi.... rofl. Madara did it effortlessely. only 50% of kurama missing.. rofl.

Sorry but live rikudou is weaker than VOTE legends also.

This still isnt a fair comparison, we still dont know if the Juubi was ever a conscious being, or just widly executing it powers.

If it had consciousness back when Hagoromo and hs brother fought it , it would make it much much harder, almost impossible.

While the Juubi when Madara sealed it was tossed like a rag doll, unable to think for itself.

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

long shot.. Wtf. It took him and his bro to even seal the Juubi.... rofl. Madara did it effortlessely. only 50% of kurama missing.. rofl.

Sorry but live rikudou is weaker than VOTE legends also.

Perhaps you didn't notice it but the current juubi isn't the one hagoromo fought. Look at the number of tomoes in its eye. The juubi obito had had 6 tomoes. Madara's juubi still have 6 tomoes. I don't believe that Juubi was the easiest thing to be controlled. Hagoromo must have sealed its mind, resulting in the loss of the three tomoes which became the sharingan.

Rikudo weak? He had creation of all things that is similar to izanagi but without drawbacks. No one has shown this feat.

 

[KingHashirama]

Perhaps you didn't notice it but the current juubi isn't the one hagoromo fought. Look at the number of tomoes in its eye. The juubi obito had had 6 tomoes. Madara's juubi still have 6 tomoes. I don't believe that Juubi was the easiest thing to be controlled. Hagoromo must have sealed its mind.

Rikudo weak? He had creation of all things that is similar to izanagi but without drawbacks. No one has shown this feat.

C.O.A.T = ability given to the Juubi's jinchuriki. No one who has been the jinchuriki has been able to use it.. because they have been fighting back to back. Hell the Rikudou used C.O.A.T as an old man.. meaning it took time for him to learn it.

Lack tomoe = lack of power? what?

I mean yea i already said hes missing the 50% ofKurama.. which makes the full juubi.. 50% of kurama still ain't worth that much.. compared to the juubi itself.

This still isnt a fair comparison, we still dont know if the Juubi was ever a conscious being, or just widly executing it powers.

If it had consciousness back when Hagoromo and hs brother fought it , it would make it much much harder, almost impossible.

While the Juubi when Madara sealed it was tossed like a rag doll, unable to think for itself.

Well my good friend, just because we never saw it thinking against Madara/Obito =/= it can't think either.. =]. Its a fair comparison.

 

[Sentinel of Light Style]

long shot.. Wtf. It took him and his bro to even seal the Juubi.... rofl. Madara did it effortlessely. only 50% of kurama missing.. rofl.

Sorry but live rikudou is weaker than VOTE legends also.

Since it was So6P AND his brother fighting the Shinju, how can we be sure that the Juubi Madara contained within himself is really the full thing they fought? If there was two of them fighting it, who is to say (Kishi, duh!) that they didn't split his chakra evenly over the two of them?

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

C.O.A.T = ability given to the Juubi's jinchuriki. No one who has been the jinchuriki has been able to use it.. because they have been fighting back to back. Hell the Rikudou used C.O.A.T as an old man.. meaning it took time for him to learn it.

Lack tomoe = lack of power? what?

I mean yea i already said hes missing the 50% ofKurama.. which makes the full juubi.. 50% of kurama still ain't worth that much.. compared to the juubi itself.

You are missing the point. Creation of all things is in rikudo's arsenal. You can't deny that when the manga stated it. And more importantly, Madara's juubi will never be equal to the original one. By creating the bijuus, the sage has caused the juubi from ever being at its full power. Before, they were chakra that belonged to the juubi but now they are chakras with minds on their own which resist the ten tails. Post jin hagoromo is more powerful than current Madara if you compare their abilities.

 

[einsteinewton]

long shot.. Wtf. It took him and his bro to even seal the Juubi.... rofl. Madara did it effortlessely. only 50% of kurama missing.. rofl.

Sorry but live rikudou is weaker than VOTE legends also.

sage of six path is at a different level dat even madara cnt reach.....in the manga he stated dat madara's power is close to his nt above his dis tells u wat he cn do to madara

 

[KingHashirama]

Since it was So6P AND his brother fighting the Shinju, how can we be sure that the Juubi Madara contained within himself is really the full thing they fought? If there was two of them fighting it, who is to say (Kishi, duh!) that they didn't split his chakra evenly over the two of them?

50% missing. I'm going by canon.. not to present a theory here. And the Viz scan already says they sealed it within rikudou..

sage of six path is at a different level dat even madara cnt reach.....in the manga he stated dat madara's power is close to his nt above his dis tells u wat he cn do to madara

He was comparing his jinchuriki form.. we are talking about living non-jinchuriki Rikudou..

Juubi's jin = Sage's power..

You are missing the point. Creation of all things is in rikudo's arsenal. You can't deny that when the manga stated it. And more importantly, Madara's juubi will never be equal to the original one. By creating the bijuus, the sage has caused the juubi from ever being at its full power. Before, they were chakra that belonged to the juubi but now they are chakras with minds on their own which resist the ten tails. Post jin hagoromo is more powerful than current Madara if you compare their abilities.

Yea and that makes him powerful how? You said non-jinchuriki Rikudou can beat Juubi jin Madara.. which is bunch of crap.. and can never happen.

THen you brought up the "creation of all things" something Rikudou attained as the Jinchuriki...


Post jin rikudou = dieing Man.... how exactly is he stronger? Because of COAT? Can it be used in battle? no..

 

[grizzlyshree]

Let's face the facts. Hagoromo as a traveller who does not have a physical body and isn't a juubi jin anymore was able to give naruto and sasuke's current power ups in one go. And these powerups would probably be enough for Naruto and Sasuke to confront Madara. This alone speaks in the difference of abilities between Hagoromo and Madara. If Hagoromo was on the battlefield, jin or not, he would have immediately stopped Madara because of his abilities.

it just looks like Krishna from Hinduism. he never participated in the battle but gave power to Arjuna.if Krishna participated, the battle would have instantly been over. sorry for religion but thats how it looks.

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

50% missing. I'm going by canon.. not to present a theory here. And the Viz scan already says they sealed it within rikudou..

You really did not understand what I meant by the tomoes? 9 tomoes and 6 tomoes show the difference in power. The sage was stronger than alive Madara was. Madara was just a reincarnation of his elder son.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

they are right juubi still is not fully aware or at full power otherwise even madara would have had a hard time

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

50% missing. I'm going by canon.. not to present a theory here. And the Viz scan already says they sealed it within rikudou..



He was comparing his jinchuriki form.. we are talking about living non-jinchuriki Rikudou..

Juubi's jin = Sage's power..



Yea and that makes him powerful how? You said non-jinchuriki Rikudou can beat Juubi jin Madara.. which is bunch of crap.. and can never happen.

THen you brought up the "creation of all things" something Rikudou attained as the Jinchuriki...


Post jin rikudou = dieing Man.... how exactly is he stronger? Because of COAT? Can it be used in battle? no..

Post jin rikudo was able to create the moon. And how exactly can creation of all things not be used for battle?

 

[KingHashirama]

You really did not understand what I meant by the tomoes? 9 tomoes and 6 tomoes show the difference in power. The sage was stronger than alive Madara was. Madara was just a reincarnation of his elder son.

And that power gap is 50% Kurama... lol.

Key word is Madara WAS a reincarnation of his elder son.. However, he transcended that.

And also, you do realize unlike Rikudou and his sons. Madara was born in battlefield ..... he was raised in battlefield... He lived at when the Clan wars were at their prime.

His mastery over various ninjutsu in battle surpasses Rikudou..

Post jin rikudo was able to create the moon. And how exactly can creation of all things not be used for battle?

He has the juubi's chakra..

He seperated the body and the chakra...

Then what power did he use to beat the juubi?

- Rinnegan

And not to mention his broskie. You guys really need to stop giving all the credit to Rikudou.. and just deny his bro.. who for all we know gave up his life there.