hyuga>uchiha?

[iFlowMotion]

Madara Solo's Hygua clan. You seen what he did to the Five Kage effortlessly just sayin

 

[archbeta]

then show link to scans where it is said and stop using wiki, i could go in there and change everything you just said while still backing my self up would the wiki be right, thats just how someone interpreted something unless it was stated in scan which you havent provided. lmao

I'll see what scans I can find when I'm bored to death and I'll make thread but that logic is circular considering that both of us don't really have many scans to show. The scans that have come from your side all consider an opressed Hyuga. So I'll look for scans but the same would then apply to you too.

 

[archbeta]

Madara Solo's Hygua clan. You seen what he did to the Five Kage effortlessly just sayin

We said that we aren't considering Hashrima cells because that only proves that Uchiha + Senju > Hyuga, not Uchiha > Hyuga.

 

[LeSauce]

THe Hyuuga were not oppressed, the Uchiha were the ones that were oppressed.

They also had only select members that actually had the Sharingan since it was rare, and yet they still were the strongest along with the Senju.

 

[KingHashirama]

Again, remember that in the past, the Hyuga did not teach powerful Jutsu to most of their clan. That has changed now. So now, the branch family can learn powerful jutsu. When most of the clan are heavily restricted, they'll obviously be weaker. That's not the case anymore.

Hmmm, no my friend, the whole thing about the main family and etc was a Konoha thing. We have no idea if it was the same in the warring stated period. Because its literally impossible for it to be like that in that period of time where it was an all out clan war.

And also, the Hyuuga really don't have any know strong members. And those who are strong learn strong techniques whether they are the main branch or side branch. Pretty sure Hyuuga were not gonna limit their member's potential.

 

[ShiroT]

1)Hinata was shown to have X-Ray vision in that beetle filler. The point with Ao is not that his eyes were closed, the point was that he could see through the eye patch. This means that a Hyuuga can see through eye-lids. That;s the point, not that Ao's eye was closed, just that a Hyuga can see through eyelids which means that they would close their eyes to counter genjutsu. You cant even see if his eyes are closed and like i said it wouldnt make any sense if they were

2) Nagato pushed it.

3) It is continously said throughout the manga how taxing sharingan abilities are. He would have to spam abilities against a Hyuga anyway. Hyuga abilities are not as taxing. Hyuga's definitely win on sustaining the battle.

4) Seeing through closed eyelids means you haven't countered genjutsu

5) I keep saying Vacuum Palm is the preferred counter, not rotation, excepting kinjutsu

6) I have proof that hyuga have superior taijutsu, the databases give itachi 4.5 and hiashi a 5

7) I never claimed Vacuum Palm will phase Susano'o, as it stands, Susano'o is thus far the only ability that hasn't been countered yet

1.filler is not canon and does not count. And no if they eye is closed then it is not activated. if you think about it kakashi keeps his eyes close to save chakra but if it was always on no matter what then he would be burned out he closes it to save chakra if always on it defeats the purpose. That wouldnt even make sense to see through his eye lids? Now your just not thinking

2. Use nagato pushed it after it touched him but he is edo and healed. If it touches hashi and he manages to push it off him he wouldve suffered sever 3rd degree burns and would be unable to put up any kind of fight afterwards.

3. There would be no need to spam. hyugas are close range he would have to get close playing into an uchiha's trap. Even runing he wouldnt have the time to react to a amateratsu even if he had the speed feats. And they dont have a counter for susanno air palm wouldnt touch a susanno user and rotation would turn into a waiting game where they are stomped after they stop spinning

4. again they cannot

5. vacuum palm would have to be big enought to block the whole body which would be chakra comsuming so their goes the outlasting arguement. Also if say you wouldnt to save chakra but making the palms smaller all any uchiha would have to do is look at their leg would where the air palm woudnt reach, there you go vacuum palm countered

6. ms grants great prediction just like how nine tail naruto was better then 2t sasuke in tai, when he got the extra toma he was better then chakra naruto in part 1, so my point is that .5 wouldnt be the deciding factor as itachi has a ms and byakugan only grants the ability to see and not to predict. Ms could give him the advantage or let him hold him own if he ever gets in CQC

People were saying that so i tried to counter all the arguements as possible

 

[archbeta]

THe Hyuuga were not oppressed, the Uchiha were the ones that were oppressed.

They also had only select members that actually had the Sharingan since it was rare, and yet they still were the strongest along with the Senju.

Not that type of opressed. Uchiha were free to learn their clans abilities and grow to their fullest potential. The Branch family of the Hyuga were not free to learn their clan's powerful jutsu and grow to their fullest ability. Imagine if only one family in the Uchiha clan were allowed to use fire style. Imagine if only one family were allowed to have a sharingan passed 2T. That what is was like with the Hyuga, maybe even worse. The reason they were still the strongest along with the senju is because they were still allowed to grow to their fullest potential in ninjustu, taijutsu, kinjutsu and genjustu even if not all of members had a sharingan.

 

[ShiroT]

I'll see what scans I can find when I'm bored to death and I'll make thread but that logic is circular considering that both of us don't really have many scans to show. The scans that have come from your side all consider an opressed Hyuga. So I'll look for scans but the same would then apply to you too.

and im talking about hyuuga vs uchiha considering all of there feats, im not using specifi people unless to make a point and the only hyuga i used was hashi because ya'll used him lol

 

[Conspirator.]

The uchihas are stronger overall-and have more diverse skills in the shinobi arts. Just look at the 4 main uchihas(madara,obito,itachi,sasuke) Even if you remove their MS abilities and look at it from the 3 tomoe level, each of them has their own unique fighting style and is better in different skills. Whereas all the hyuugas have the same fighting style-it's just that some are better at it than others.

Furthermore it's a MANGA FACT that the senjus and uchihas were the top 2 clans-subsequently, logic dictates that uchihas>>>>hyuugas. Only moronic hyuuga fanboys think otherwise.

 

[LeSauce]

Not that type of opressed. Uchiha were free to learn their clans abilities and grow to their fullest potential. The Branch family of the Hyuga were not free to learn their clan's powerful jutsu and grow to their fullest ability. Imagine if only one family in the Uchiha clan were allowed to use fire style. Imagine if only one family were allowed to have a sharingan passed 2T. That what is was like with the Hyuga, maybe even worse. The reason they were still the strongest along with the senju is because they were still allowed to grow to their fullest potential in ninjustu, taijutsu, kinjutsu and genjustu even if not all of members had a sharingan.

Hiashi's brother knew all of his moves and he was from the side branch. The Hyuugas all still have their Byakugan. I'll admit that you have a point, but it doesn't change the fact that the side branch could actually learn the techniques if they wanted to, just like Neji and his father.

And weren't they not always kept in the side branch? I always though that it was only after neji's father died.

Anyhow, it's the same as the Uchiha, only a select few could awaken the Sharingan, even if they all tried to.

 

[archbeta]

1.filler is not canon and does not count. And no if they eye is closed then it is not activated. if you think about it kakashi keeps his eyes close to save chakra but if it was always on no matter what then he would be burned out he closes it to save chakra if always on it defeats the purpose. That wouldnt even make sense to see through his eye lids? Now your just not thinking

2. Use nagato pushed it after it touched him but he is edo and healed. If it touches hashi and he manages to push it off him he wouldve suffered sever 3rd degree burns and would be unable to put up any kind of fight afterwards.

3. There would be no need to spam. hyugas are close range he would have to get close playing into an uchiha's trap. Even runing he wouldnt have the time to react to a amateratsu even if he had the speed feats. And they dont have a counter for susanno air palm wouldnt touch a susanno user and rotation would turn into a waiting game where they are stomped after they stop spinning

4. again they cannot

5. vacuum palm would have to be big enought to block the whole body which would be chakra comsuming so their goes the outlasting arguement. Also if say you wouldnt to save chakra but making the palms smaller all any uchiha would have to do is look at their leg would where the air palm woudnt reach, there you go vacuum palm countered

6. ms grants great prediction just like how nine tail naruto was better then 2t sasuke in tai, when he got the extra toma he was better then chakra naruto in part 1, so my point is that .5 wouldnt be the deciding factor as itachi has a ms and byakugan only grants the ability to see and not to predict. Ms could give him the advantage or let him hold him own if he ever gets in CQC

People were saying that so i tried to counter all the arguements as possible

1. It works differently with a byakugan than with a sharingan. Danzou is the only one shown to be able to use Shisui sharingan behind bandages. Whereas Ao can use a byakugan behind an eyepatch. Sharingan don't have X-ray vision. That argument just proves that closing a sharingan off negates it. It doesn't prove anything for the Byakugan
2 Exactly, Nagato was an edo. Edo's have less reaction time because they are controlled. I just used Nagato as example to prove that it can be pushed away. That's why Nagato got burned.
3. Again, Hyuga's aren't idiots. They would just wait the Uchiha out. If they don't play into the trap. Spamming it is the only way to go.
4. Again, you've only proved that Sharingan users can't. Byakugan's have more insight.
5. It's called the 8 trigrams wall palm. Hiashi used it on Ten-Tails arm. A Ten-Tails arm is huge! How small do you think the jutsu is? It pushes the Ten-Tails arm!
Not to mention, he used it after 2 days of fighting in the war and he wasn't fatigued after using it on the Ten-Tails.
6. Cool, it is true that activating the next level of the sharingan gives the user more perception and enough to counter a char like Naruto. However, in terms of insight, the Byakugan > MS. So, it might negate the .5 in non-Byakugan users like Naruto but not against Byakugan users. You argument just prove that the .5 is negated for non-Byakugan users. It doesn't apply the same to Byakugan users.

 

[Dantee]

Hyuuga supporters once again being delusional and most of them don't know what they're about.

 

[archbeta]

The uchihas are stronger overall-and have more diverse skills in the shinobi arts. Just look at the 4 main uchihas(madara,obito,itachi,sasuke) Even if you remove their MS abilities and look at it from the 3 tomoe level, each of them has their own unique fighting style and is better in different skills. Whereas all the hyuugas have the same fighting style-it's just that some are better at it than others.

Furthermore it's a MANGA FACT that the senjus and uchihas were the top 2 clans-subsequently, logic dictates that uchihas>>>>hyuugas. Only moronic hyuuga fanboys think otherwise.

That fact is based on a system of opression in the Hyuga's. That system of opression doesn't exist anymore. You're using a fact out of context. Your argument just proves that Uchiha > Opressed Hyuga

 

[Dark Magician]

When only one left of importance is being a badger right now it shows that the Hyugas are fodder.

 

[archbeta]

Hiashi's brother knew all of his moves and he was from the side branch. The Hyuugas all still have their Byakugan. I'll admit that you have a point, but it doesn't change the fact that the side branch could actually learn the techniques if they wanted to, just like Neji and his father.

And weren't they not always kept in the side branch? I always though that it was only after neji's father died.

Anyhow, it's the same as the Uchiha, only a select few could awaken the Sharingan, even if they all tried to.

You're right that Neji did learn a technique from observation. But Hiashi does train Neji in the rest of the secrets of the byakugan. Neji didn't learn ALL the secrets by himself. The fact that Hiashi was shocked at what Neji had learned proves that he was the exception. Branch family members wouldn't the know the main house jutsu, the exception is Neji and possibly his father.

 

[archbeta]

The uchihas are stronger overall-and have more diverse skills in the shinobi arts. Just look at the 4 main uchihas(madara,obito,itachi,sasuke) Even if you remove their MS abilities and look at it from the 3 tomoe level, each of them has their own unique fighting style and is better in different skills. Whereas all the hyuugas have the same fighting style-it's just that some are better at it than others.

Furthermore it's a MANGA FACT that the senjus and uchihas were the top 2 clans-subsequently, logic dictates that uchihas>>>>hyuugas. Only moronic hyuuga fanboys think otherwise.

Oh and also,I guess you'll have to show me how diversity means Uchiha > Hyuga

 

[archbeta]

Hyuuga supporters once again being delusional and most of them don't know what they're about.

what do you mean?

 

[KingHashirama]

You're right that Neji did learn a technique from observation. But Hiashi does train Neji in the rest of the secrets of the byakugan. Neji didn't learn ALL the secrets by himself. The fact that Hiashi was shocked at what Neji had learned proves that he was the exception. Branch family members wouldn't the know the main house jutsu, the exception is Neji and possibly his father.

No actually that meant that neji was a genius. Because you see not everyone CAN learn those techniques.. otherwise Hinata would've been way above Neji.....

 

[archbeta]

When only one left of importance is being a badger right now it shows that the Hyugas are fodder.

How does the action of 1 Hyuga fan reflect all of the Hyuga fans? And shouldn't the logic work the other way around anyway. Me coping in 6 vs 1 doesn't make me a fodder. But that doesn't matter anyway.

 

[Conspirator.]

That fact is based on a system of opression in the Hyuga's. That system of opression doesn't exist anymore. You're using a fact out of context. Your argument just proves that Uchiha > Opressed Hyuga

I don't give a shit if they are oppresed or not-the uchihas are still far greater than the hyuugas for the reasons I stated.