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Heavenly Rotation, which works in a similar fashion to Almighty Push, would be capable of stopping Amaterasu or other fire jutsus. It's not clear exactly how Amaterasu behaves. It has been depicted numerous times behaving as both a projectile and a 'manifest' type attack. Further - It is not clear what can or cannot stop it. However, going by the fact that Ay was able to dodge it, this shows it's a projectile.

The Byakugan grants it's user the ability to read and detect it's surroundings much faster than a regular eye, which would make it much easier to spot Amaterasu or Blaze release techniques coming. Heavenly Rotation forms a high-speed dome of chakra around the user, and protects them from all angles.

It is also not clear what insights the Byakugan may be able to provide in regards to the structure of Amaterasu, which may allow them to manipulate it far more readily than others who lack such abilities (as the Byakugan provides far more insight than the Sharingan). Even seeing the buildup of chakra in the eye could be enough for them to devise a way to counter.

Neji is capable of seeing Deidara's chakra build up here.

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As well as Kidomaru's.

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And here is what Nagato says when Itachi is about to use Amaterasu.

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Nagato' statement "This pressure!" Seems to indicate that there is chakra being built up behind the eye, so it's not much of a stretch to say that the Byakugan could very well see the attack incoming. This ability basically allows for them to see what attck their opponent is about to use and plan their counter against it, as all nin & genjutsu requires chakra to perform.

As for susano'O; while its true its very durable, air palm is a technique that destroys chakra, of which susano'O is made of. Not to mention basic physics would tell us that the force of air wall palm would send susano'O flying, regardless of yata mirrior being there or not; that shield blocks elements, not something like an applied force or chakra.

I don't know how may times in gonna have to say this, Vacuum Palm Technique should be able to penetrate the Susano'Oarmor and deal damage to the Uchiha inside. If not then it would be able to keep the Susano'O at bay, remember this is the same technique that knocked back one of the Juubi's arms swinging at full force.

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I seriously can't understand how anyone can consider this a "fodder" attack. I also don't understand how anyone can say this "wasn't impressive".

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Going by these pictures, this is the average Susano'O size. If we were to imagine a Susano'O around Hiashi in the image where he is attcaking the Juubi, it seems that the Juubi's arm is around 7X larger than the Susano'O

Now, the Vaccuum air palm, which clearly shows to have an impact equal in size to the Juubi's arm, is most likely able to defeat a Mangekyo Sharingan Susano'O. Also keep in mind that the Juubi's arm is not only bigger, but MUCH more dense than the Susano'O, as the Juubi's arm isn't HOLLOW like the Susano'O is [This is apparent by the fact that a Susano'O uiser can stand on the inside].

what are u even saying here? rotation to counter fair that never go down? u know what wind going to fire right?
saringan can see better everything so no point there.
they cant see Amaterasu build up your fan fic dose not write manga.if they do still they not fast enough to dodge it.
it clearly did nothing to juubi arm and only can give a itch to susanoo.
wonder way neji os hinata use that great rotation or plam without die.
thaey have no counter for susanoo attack.
 

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No susano'O=No totsuka

Besides, Orochimaru and nagato didn't have Byakugan, which can see chakra molding, sense attacks, and detect movements.

Air palm nor air wall is destroying susanoo, and the idea that it won't reflect an applied force is speculation. And even if a susanoo is broken through a user can just reform it as seen by both sasuke and madara the only other shown susanoo users.

And one of the biggest arguments taijutsu users have for uchihas is even if you can see it coming it doesn't mean you can respond. Same applies to that totsuka poke
 

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Kaguya having both Eyes confirm the Uchiha and Hyuga are distant cousins like the Senju are to the Uzumaki and thus all 4 Clans are the Grandchildren of Kaguya.
 

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No susano'O=No totsuka

Besides, Orochimaru and nagato didn't have Byakugan, which can see chakra molding, sense attacks, and detect movements.

you showed up pic there nagato sense Amaterasu build up and said hyugaa can do the same.now u telling nagato cant sence chakra molding? what do u think rinnegan do?? XDXD oh god im out here. dont do things like this to ur self dear. its only make ur reputation bad.
 

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Is that why the clan alongside the Senju were dominating the battlefield
 

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Uchiha and Senju have always been the best, Hyuga's aint about shit.
 

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1. Uchiha and Senju were considered the strongest of all the clans.
2. Hyuuga weren’t on top until the massacre. Not to mention, Kakashi was really scared just for facing someone with the Sharingan in their blood.
3. Ok, I may have exaggerated a bit when saying they were all geniuses, but it’s basically the same concept. The eye is what makes them elite. Just look at how much Obito improved as soon as he got the Sharingan. Then there’s this saying that they were superior to others in the village, including the Hyuuga.
4. The Uchiha were held in high regards, that’s something we can’t say about the Hyuuga.
5. Neji is considered a genius in the Hyuuga, but he pales in comparison to Itachi, a man considered a genius in the Uchiha, what does that tell you about the clans strength as a whole?
6. Even the new chapter puts the Sharingan above the Byakugan by saying it was it’s power that Kaguya relied on, not the Byakugans.

Not to mention that the Uchiha were superior shinobi < that includes the Hyuuga.

There's more, but I think this is enough. I don't know why people argue that Hyuuga>Uchiha so much when it's already canon that they're below 3 tomoe. Being strong shouldn't be what makes them great.
 

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The hyuuga have some standard counters to uchiha/sharigan but overall it should be known that the uchiha clan is stronger.
 

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EMS is the power of 2 Uchiha's and the MS can't be use a lot of times or they'll go blind in a weak, and since we knew that Byakugan > 3T Sharingan
 
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1) I just watched that episode again and 30 percent was left to keep extracting the bijuu. so he would be 70.

2) u and I know every ability has been scaled up in this arc
this guy is incredibly stupid. Why do you think the Uchiha and Senju have been mentioned as the strongest clans multiple times? If it's true what you say, why weren't the hyuga mentioned? Easy, they are fodders. Rotation is to slow to stop susanoo or Amaterasu even.
 

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I gotta say you put up a good argument. Wouldn't Amaterastu burn through the rotation like it did with Sasuke's fireball.
 

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I gotta say you put up a good argument. Wouldn't Amaterastu burn through the rotation like it did with Sasuke's fireball.
Amateratsu only burn the place it hits so it would burn the chakra but wouldn't burn person inside
 

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Double post. To add I am thinking of a healthy itachi, not a sick one. Again debate with someone who knows about itachi. Haishi is not fighting anyone with his eyes closed, even with intel.

To take down just Hiashi, healthy Itachi isn't needed. Sick Itachi would even suffice. U_U

Itachi fanboys getting butthurt that someone as minor as Hiahsi can solo his ass in 2 seconds flat

Doubt it. They just know that it isn't true. You know what? Any MS user we've seen in this manga could take down the entire Hyuuga clan alone.

Closed eyes means they wouldn't get caught in amaterasu and they can use Byakugan to see through it.

Even so, it won't make it to hiashi's body at least.

Air wall palm destroys chakra, susano'O is chakra. Even if it wasn't chakra, the force of air palm.can still destroy it. Yata mirrior can't do much against an applied force. Its not something physical.

Amaterasu spawns on contact. It depends upon how far the MS users field of sight reaches. Hiashi is getting hurt by it, unless he is as quick as A, which he is not or if he can absorb it like Madz, which he cannot. His only chance is to continue spinning, but that wouldn't last forever and Itachi would not just aimlessly waste his amaterasu when he sees it taking no effect.

Yata mirror deflects any attack by changing its own properties to match that of what it is repelling.


A fountain of techs? All he has is his sharingan powers + fire style.

With Their X, 360 degree, and extended vision, the Hyugas can both close their eyes, to prevent getting caught in Genjutsu of the Sharingan, and still see where their opponent is and exactly what they’re doing. It was also shown by Hinata in the Itachi Pursuit ARC that the Byakugan is capable of detecting when a Genjutsu is in use.


Now on to dispelling genjutsu if caught.

Tsukiyomi has been confirmed to require FULL EYE CONTACT to work, as was in the case of Asuma & Kurenai closing their eyes when facing Itachi.


In the end, it has been CONFIRMED that all three dojutsus are resistant to visual genjutsu, as pain only got caught in sound genjutsu, and sasuke was caught only in tsykyomi, something beyond your normal genjutsu. All those other times itachi attempted to put him in normal genjutsu, he saw through it.

Yes, and Itachi also has a few minor suiton feats, speed, minor kenjutsu feats, a good level of perception, clones, shuriken/kunai skills, etc. That and he has other ways to cast genjutsu besides his eyes.

And that would not help much considering that Itachi has other means of casting genjutsu, such as just by pointing at you. However, the Hyuuga would probably be able to break it considering it is a weak version, but on the otherhand it depends entirely upon how long it would take. A few moments are more than enough for Itachi to blitz Hiashi and end him.

No, it has not been confirmed. I do not recall anyone attempting to cast an ocular genjutsu onto Pain, much less by any sharingan user. Going by this manga, rinnegan users are still suscpetible to ocular genjutsu. That and Itachi wanted to lose that fight against Sasuke. Sasuke even fell for one of his crow clones and didn't realize it until Itachi himself pointed it out. He also didn't notice right away that it was a genjutsu of Itachi sitting on the throne, it took him a few moments.
 

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In IMO by saying that because hundreds of years ago Uchiha > Hyuga, it still holds true now. So far, there has been no substantive rebuttal to CC's claims.

1)Amaterasu was effortlessly countered by Nagato using Shinro Tensei. Fact. This is what the Wiki says about Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm:
"This technique is similar in practice to Eight Trigrams Palms Revolving Heaven, but has a specific target rather than a general area. To perform it, the user precisely pinpoints the enemy's vital points with the Byakugan and releases a high-speed palm thrust. A "vacuum shell" compressed using the Gentle Fist is formed to attack the opponent's vitals from a distance, blowing them off their feet with tremendous force before they even notice they were hit."
Amaterasu is a projectile so targeting a specific target fits that criterion. Fact. A Byakugan will sense the pressure behind the Uchiha's eyes. Fact. The underlined regions show that the Vaccuum Palm is extremely fast. Fact. It says that is a thrust which is a push. Fact. So it can be compared to Almighty Push which successfully countered Amaterasu. The Vacuum Palm is chakra based technique,it literally targets ninjutsu. Fact. This argument remains proven.

2) Amaterasu also puts a lot of strain on the user, even causing the user to bleed. If the user uses it in succession as well as Susan'o. They will lose stamina. The fight Sasuke vs Itachi was not very long. Proof is that while that fight was going on, Naruto and others were fighting Obito. None of them looked the least bit tired at all even though they were trying hard to land a blow on Obito. Because none of them were the least bit tired, they couldn't have been fighting for long. Sasuke and Itachi were extremely worn out in such a short period of time. This argument remains proven.

3) Susano's arrow has not been countered yet so I'll deal with that argument that has been brought up. Sasuke is the only person who can use this technique. Kakashi could not evade this technique with his sharingan and was forced to use kamui so speed and even the sharingan won't help. However, this is what the wiki says about the only person that has evaded the technique:
"Only Kabuto Yakushi, while utilising the extrasensory capabilities of Sage Mode, has been able to successfully avoid one of these arrows thus far."
The extrasensory capabilities of Sage Mode. This is what the wiki says about the advantages of Sage Mode:
1) The user's physical strength, speed, stamina, reflexes, perception and durability dramatically increase.
2) The user's ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu become substantially more powerful.
3) The user can manipulate the natural energy that surrounds them in this mode, turning it into an extension of their body, which increases the reach of their attacks.
4) The user gains the ability to sense chakra around them.
Extrasensory abilities fall in advantage number 4. The ability to sense chakra around them

According to the Wiki, Kabuto evaded Susan'o because of his ability to sense chakra around him. Note that the Wiki doesn't say that he evaded the arrow because he was faster. It literally says extra-sensory abilities.
So the only successful evasion was because of an extremely high chakra sensing ability
I wonder which clan is well known for having the the best chakra sensing ability?
I wonder which clan has an extremely high capability in chakra sensing?

4)Genjutsu
A Hyuga simply closes his/her eyes. This argument remains proven.
As for Izanagi and Izanami
The Wiki says this about Izanagi:
"To use Izanagi, users must also have the genetic traits of the Senju, who are also descended from the Sage."
We have to disregard Hashirama cells because that's not Uchiha power, it's more of the Senju > Hyuga. It actually just goes to prove that the Uchiha need help from Senju to defeat Hyuga.
Izanami is not a battle technique, it wouldn't help an Uchiha win a battle.

So Genjutsu is out of the picture. As proven earlier, ninjutsu is out of the picture.

Fire Release is easily countered by Hyuga's who will sense it coming. Itachi uses Water Release too, but that can be countered too.
Hyuga win at taijutsu but taijutsu is useless unless the Uchiha is removed from Susano'o. So, then how does a Hyuga counter Susano'o. The solution is to use the extrasensory capabilities to dodge the arrows and the sword.
This is what the wiki says about one of the Susano'os weaknesses:
"As one of the strongest techniques granted to those that have acquired the Mangekyō Sharingan, it is the user's guardian deity, but at the same time, it consumes the user's life."
The longer it used, the more worn out the user becomes. Unless the user has Hashirama cells, but we aren't considering the Senju in this clash.

In Summary, a Hyuga can counter or dodge all Uchiha ninjutsu. No genjutsu has an effect on the Hyuga. Close combat falls to the Hyuga too. Because all the Hyuga has to do is dodge and counter until the Uchiha loses Stamina, the Hyugawin against the Uchiha.
 

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Hiashi self hype isn't going to change a thing. Even Kakashi has stated that the Uchiha are stronger.
It's pointless to assume that every Hyuuga is capable of replicating the feats Hiashi (Their leader and probably strongest) performed.

That is true, the Hyuga's only allow their main house to be strong but that applies exactly the same to the Uchiha. It is rare to activate MS and EMS, it is rare to activate Susano'o and to use Amaterasu. It applies both ways. But there is a difference, if the Hyuga's allowed the branch family to be just as strong, there would be many as strong as Hiashi.
 

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Because the chakra expelled by a Hyuga can be terminated. Thus, the Amaterasu is left burning nothing but chakra.

Orochimaru

Didn't know it was the Totsuka so he sat there like a fool. Unlike Hiashi, Orochimaru can survive a typical stab wound, and is thus less inclined to dodge.

Nagato

Pretty much plot.

1. Nagato was in Controlled Edo mode meaning he was receiving orders directly from Kabuto. Meaning he lost his normal human reaction.

2. The Rinnegan could see chakra back when Amaterasu was to be used, but suddenly can't see through a cloud of smoke?



Orochimaru proved the Totsuka blade strikes as a physical object, and not a spiritual. This is evident when his Orochi jutsu has all but one snake head cut off. The Totsuka directly slashed these heads. Thus, a legitimate physical stab must take part. Air Palm, Air Wall Palm, and Kaiten all serve as defenses from the weapon physically stabbing him. At this point, Hiashi has to simply hold out against Itachi, who doesn't have the stamina to use Susanoo for an extended duration.

No, it really wasn't plot.
You stated that Oro didn't dodge because he didn't know it was Totsuka and wasn't afraid of getting stabbed, but the fact of the matter is that Totsuka did blitz Oro. Yes, Oro's cockiness was a major factor, but it's not like Oro could have dodged it anyway at that moment. He saw Itachi cut off the snakes' heads, starting rambling on, then Itachi stabbed him very quickly. He wasn't getting around it in the first place at that moment.

Kabuto already attributed Nagato's loss to his lack of movement. He just wasn't mobile enough. The problem isn't really Kabuto in this instance, it's the fact that Nagato was crippled and didn't have the ability to dodge, period. He had extensive knowledge on his techs and knew when to use them. Kabuto just didn't bring him back at his best.

Apparently not. Which isn't surprising considering that when Naruto fought the God Realm back in Konoha, he didn't notice that Naruto was making around 50 clones due to the amount of dust that had resulted from the CT. Rinnegan cannot see through smoke or dust like Byakugan can.

It is a spiritual weapon and stated to be as such, but yes it does materialize in order for attacks to occur. We have seen the speed at which it hits an individual. Hiashi does not have the best speed feats, if he is currently not using Air Palm, Wall Palm, or Kaiten, he is not going to block it. And Itachi wouldn't attempt to hit him with Totsuka if he saw that Hiashi was keeping his defenses up and already using that jutsu, so the point is moot.

Itachi's fights have never been prolonged in the first place, he has always taken out his opponent quickly. If you look at the Kabuto vs Itachi fight, and remove all the flashbacks and talking, that lasted around 15-20 minutes (only that amount of time was actually combat/exchanging blows) and was his longest fight. He tends to end it quickly. It's not the best to assume that Itachi would just aimlessly waste his MS jutsus on Hiashi and just lose that way until his stamina gives out, especially when it's not in his character. Susanno most likely would not even be needed for a fight against Hiashi, realistically speaking.
 
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In IMO by saying that because hundreds of years ago Uchiha > Hyuga, it still holds true now. So far, there has been no substantive rebuttal to CC's claims.

1)Amaterasu was effortlessly countered by Nagato using Shinro Tensei. Fact. This is what the Wiki says about Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm:
"This technique is similar in practice to Eight Trigrams Palms Revolving Heaven, but has a specific target rather than a general area. To perform it, the user precisely pinpoints the enemy's vital points with the Byakugan and releases a high-speed palm thrust. A "vacuum shell" compressed using the Gentle Fist is formed to attack the opponent's vitals from a distance, blowing them off their feet with tremendous force before they even notice they were hit."
Amaterasu is a projectile so targeting a specific target fits that criterion. Fact. A Byakugan will sense the pressure behind the Uchiha's eyes. Fact. The underlined regions show that the Vaccuum Palm is extremely fast. Fact. It says that is a thrust which is a push. Fact. So it can be compared to Almighty Push which successfully countered Amaterasu. The Vacuum Palm is chakra based technique,it literally targets ninjutsu. Fact. This argument remains proven.

2) Amaterasu also puts a lot of strain on the user, even causing the user to bleed. If the user uses it in succession as well as Susan'o. They will lose stamina. The fight Sasuke vs Itachi was not very long. Proof is that while that fight was going on, Naruto and others were fighting Obito. None of them looked the least bit tired at all even though they were trying hard to land a blow on Obito. Because none of them were the least bit tired, they couldn't have been fighting for long. Sasuke and Itachi were extremely worn out in such a short period of time. This argument remains proven.

3) Susano's arrow has not been countered yet so I'll deal with that argument that has been brought up. Sasuke is the only person who can use this technique. Kakashi could not evade this technique with his sharingan and was forced to use kamui so speed and even the sharingan won't help. However, this is what the wiki says about the only person that has evaded the technique:
"Only Kabuto Yakushi, while utilising the extrasensory capabilities of Sage Mode, has been able to successfully avoid one of these arrows thus far."
The extrasensory capabilities of Sage Mode. This is what the wiki says about the advantages of Sage Mode:
1) The user's physical strength, speed, stamina, reflexes, perception and durability dramatically increase.
2) The user's ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu become substantially more powerful.
3) The user can manipulate the natural energy that surrounds them in this mode, turning it into an extension of their body, which increases the reach of their attacks.
4) The user gains the ability to sense chakra around them.
Extrasensory abilities fall in advantage number 4. The ability to sense chakra around them

According to the Wiki, Kabuto evaded Susan'o because of his ability to sense chakra around him. Note that the Wiki doesn't say that he evaded the arrow because he was faster. It literally says extra-sensory abilities.
So the only successful evasion was because of an extremely high chakra sensing ability
I wonder which clan is well known for having the the best chakra sensing ability?
I wonder which clan has an extremely high capability in chakra sensing?

4)Genjutsu
A Hyuga simply closes his/her eyes. This argument remains proven.
As for Izanagi and Izanami
The Wiki says this about Izanagi:
"To use Izanagi, users must also have the genetic traits of the Senju, who are also descended from the Sage."
We have to disregard Hashirama cells because that's not Uchiha power, it's more of the Senju > Hyuga. It actually just goes to prove that the Uchiha need help from Senju to defeat Hyuga.
Izanami is not a battle technique, it wouldn't help an Uchiha win a battle.

So Genjutsu is out of the picture. As proven earlier, ninjutsu is out of the picture.

Fire Release is easily countered by Hyuga's who will sense it coming. Itachi uses Water Release too, but that can be countered too.
Hyuga win at taijutsu but taijutsu is useless unless the Uchiha is removed from Susano'o. So, then how does a Hyuga counter Susano'o. The solution is to use the extrasensory capabilities to dodge the arrows and the sword.
This is what the wiki says about one of the Susano'os weaknesses:
"As one of the strongest techniques granted to those that have acquired the Mangekyō Sharingan, it is the user's guardian deity, but at the same time, it consumes the user's life."
The longer it used, the more worn out the user becomes. Unless the user has Hashirama cells, but we aren't considering the Senju in this clash.

In Summary, a Hyuga can counter or dodge all Uchiha ninjutsu. No genjutsu has an effect on the Hyuga. Close combat falls to the Hyuga too. Because all the Hyuga has to do is dodge and counter until the Uchiha loses Stamina, the Hyugawin against the Uchiha.




Kishi disagrees.
 

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To take down just Hiashi, healthy Itachi isn't needed. Sick Itachi would even suffice. U_U



Doubt it. They just know that it isn't true. You know what? Any MS user we've seen in this manga could take down the entire Hyuuga clan alone.



Amaterasu spawns on contact. It depends upon how far the MS users field of sight reaches. Hiashi is getting hurt by it, unless he is as quick as A, which he is not or if he can absorb it like Madz, which he cannot. His only chance is to continue spinning, but that wouldn't last forever and Itachi would not just aimlessly waste his amaterasu when he sees it taking no effect.

Yata mirror deflects any attack by changing its own properties to match that of what it is repelling.




Yes, and Itachi also has a few minor suiton feats, speed, minor kenjutsu feats, a good level of perception, clones, shuriken/kunai skills, etc. That and he has other ways to cast genjutsu besides his eyes.

And that would not help much considering that Itachi has other means of casting genjutsu, such as just by pointing at you. However, the Hyuuga would probably be able to break it considering it is a weak version, but on the otherhand it depends entirely upon how long it would take. A few moments are more than enough for Itachi to blitz Hiashi and end him.

No, it has not been confirmed. I do not recall anyone attempting to cast an ocular genjutsu onto Pain, much less by any sharingan user. Going by this manga, rinnegan users are still suscpetible to ocular genjutsu. That and Itachi wanted to lose that fight against Sasuke. Sasuke even fell for one of his crow clones and didn't realize it until Itachi himself pointed it out. He also didn't notice right away that it was a genjutsu of Itachi sitting on the throne, it took him a few moments.

Yes, Itachi can use Water release too and he is a really adapt ninja. Will Itachi win in a one on one taijutsu match with Hiashi?
The Wiki says this about Itachi's weakness:
"As an Uchiha, Itachi had very strong chakra. However, he had low supplies of chakra which made him unable to participate in prolonged battles."

And this about his taijutsu:
"Itachi possessed high-level taijutsu skills despite not specialising in it. This was demonstrated when he easily defeated Tekka, Yashiro, and Inabi — all of them his seniors and members of the Konoha Military Police Force. In Part I, he stopped Sasuke's Chidori with one hand and effortlessly disabled him during their reunion in the Land of Fire despite Sasuke's extensive taijutsu training for the Chūnin Exams. His skill in taijutsu allowed him to keep up with Naruto Uzumaki in his Nine-Tails Chakra Mode and Killer B respectively in individual fights."
He has 4.5 on his database for taijutsu.

This is a snippet of Hiashi's taijutsu remarks on the wiki:
"Also, as the head of his clan, he is well-versed in all of his clan's secret techniques and the clan's Gentle Fist taijutsu style. While the full extent of his prowess remains unknown, his skill with the Gentle Fist was on display when he killed the Head Ninja of Kumogakure with a single strike to the chakra pathway system around his heart and left the fight unharmed. He can also use the Eight Trigrams Vacuum Wall Palm with such force using his both hands, that he was able to buffet one of the Ten-Tails' tails away by himself."
He has a 5 for taijutsu on the database which makes his taijutsu better than Itachi's. If he gets just one stroke, it can severely hurt Itachi because Itachi has low chakra reserves. If his taijutsu is better than Itachi's, he can quite easily get that one hit.
 

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Kishi disagrees.

Kakashi also says that they are only two living uchiha left. He was wrong. That's not necessarily Kishi saying that. That's Kakashi. Just like Kishi didn't say Obito was dead, Kakashi did.
The second panel is based on the premise that Hyuga's can't enforce ninja law. The Hyuga's are so good at enforcing law that we don't even know their secrets. According to your logic, that makes them superior shinobi too.
Besides, we all know why Tobirama made them the police force. There's no evidence to prove that Hyuga couldn't have done it too.
 

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No, it really wasn't plot.
You stated that Oro didn't dodge because he didn't know it was Totsuka and wasn't afraid of getting stabbed, but the fact of the matter is that Totsuka did blitz Oro. Yes, Oro's cockiness was a major factor, but it's not like Oro could have dodged it anyway at that moment. He saw Itachi cut off the snakes' heads, starting rambling on, then Itachi stabbed him very quickly. He wasn't getting around it in the first place at that moment.

Kabuto already attributed Nagato's loss to his lack of movement. He just wasn't mobile enough. The problem isn't really Kabuto in this instance, it's the fact that Nagato was crippled and didn't have the ability to dodge, period. He had extensive knowledge on his techs and knew when to use them. Kabuto just didn't bring him back at his best.

Apparently not. Which isn't surprising considering that when Naruto fought the God Realm back in Konoha, he didn't notice that Naruto was making around 50 clones due to the amount of dust that had resulted from the CT. Rinnegan cannot see through smoke or mist like Byakugan can.

It is a spiritual weapon and stated to be as such, but yes it does materialize in order for attacks to occur. We have seen the speed at which it hits an individual. Hiashi does not have the best speed feats, if he is currently not using Air Palm, Wall Palm, or Kaiten, he is not going to block it. And Itachi wouldn't attempt to hit him with Totsuka if he saw that Hiashi was keeping his defenses up and already using that jutsu, so the point is moot.

Itachi's fights have never been prolonged in the first place, he has always taken out his opponent quickly. If you look at the Kabuto vs Itachi fight, and remove all the flashbacks and talking, that lasted around 15-20 minutes (only that amount of time was actually combat/exchanging blows) and was his longest fight. He tends to end it quickly. It's not the best to assume that Itachi would just aimlessly waste his MS jutsus on Hiashi and just lose that way until his stamina gives out, especially when it's not in his character. Susanno most likely would not even be needed for a fight against Hiashi, realistically speaking.

Yes, Itachi finishes his fights quickly. It's this magical thing called genjutsu. Genjustu allows him to finish fights quickly. Hiashi won't be caught in genjutsu. Hiashi is better in taijutsu. Fact. Itachi won't win in close combat because Hiashi just needs on strike to remove a whole lot of thelittle chakra that Itachi has.
 
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