hyuga>uchiha?

[KGB Kakuzu]

Except Itachi has a susano and a fountain of techniques...

Haishi's only counters are rotation, air palm and those cover like uhm idk what lol

Please don't show me kyubi cloak air palm feats either. Amterterasu/susano will neg.

Closing his eyes, im not debating this with genjutsu.



IP tracking exists lol

Uhh.... Kaiten and Air palm basically counter anything that strike during the duration of the rotation.... Itachi hasn't shown a tech that lasts longer than the Juubi's infinite spam attack.

@Bold

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Hiashi uses Air Wall Palm.

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Hiashi uses it before the first cloak is even handed out.



Amaterasu

The jutsu burns the thing it contacts until it doesn't exist. It also had a pressure that could be sensed by the Rinnegan which isn't known for its insight like the Byakugan. The Byakugan's distance and spatial awareness are the best in the series. So it should be able to see the chakra build up in the eye as well as the pressure. With their awareness, they should be able to tell where Itachi would be looking. Thus, he can emit chakra from his Tenketsu to automatically block the attack. As seen by Ay dodging, it is a projectile attack, and is not instantaneous. Thus, it is hit by the wall of chakra and negated. As seen by the fact it burns on Susanoo... it would target the chakra and not Hiashi.


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That size is greater than any Susanoo Itachi has shown. It may be deflected by the Yata; however, basic physics should send it backwards. Even if the shield blocks... the force can still be applied.

Itachi doesn't have the reserves/stamina to hold Susanoo up for long. Given the fact that after two days of fighting Hiashi had the ability to use Wall Palm on that scale with no effort would suggest he has a great level of stamina. Or at least compared to Itachi who's noted to have low reserves.

Kaiten would block the lethel strike of the Totsuka... causing if anything the Kaiten Chakra to be absorbed instead of Hiashi.



Actually a pretty good match up.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Itachi fanboys getting butthurt that someone as minor as Hiahsi can solo his ass in 2 seconds flat

 

[Joshutsu]

A fountain of techs? All he has is his sharingan powers + fire style.

That's more than enough.

Read 614 again, hiashi sends the juubi's arm, something seven tikes larger than itachi's susano'O and also more dense, from the ground hundreds of metered into the sky, no kyuubi cloak.

Hyuga's can't get caught in Genjutsu since they can fight with eyes closed. In the case they do get caught in a a gen-jutsu, they can easily tell if they're under a Genjutsu thanks to their Byakugan's ability to see chakra flow, as shown by Ao.

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Just like the Sharingan does.

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With Their X, 360 degree, and extended vision, the Hyugas can both close their eyes, to prevent getting caught in Genjutsu of the Sharingan, and still see where their opponent is and exactly what they’re doing. It was also shown by Hinata in the Itachi Pursuit ARC that the Byakugan is capable of detecting when a Genjutsu is in use.

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Now on to dispelling genjutsu if caught.

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Here Jiraiya Says "If you use more power" this seems to indicate that, the better you are at controlling your chakra, the easier it will be to break or dispel genjutsu, which explains why Sakura was considered a genjutsu type, as casting genjutsu and dispelling it both require great control of chakra.

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Tsukiyomi has been confirmed to require FULL EYE CONTACT to work, as was in the case of Asuma & Kurenai closing their eyes when facing Itachi.

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So unless the Hyuga don't have knowledge on it, Tsykyomi can't do shit to them. Hyugas, like I said before, could simply fight with their eyes closed. Due to the complexity of the illusion and the quickness with which it is executed, an enormous amount of chakra is necessary and an added amount of stress is placed on the left eye, leaving Itachi's vision more blurred.

In the end, it has been CONFIRMED that all three dojutsus are resistant to visual genjutsu, as pain only got caught in sound genjutsu, and sasuke was caught only in tsykyomi, something beyond your normal genjutsu. All those other times itachi attempted to put him in normal genjutsu, he saw through it.

Jesus stop copy and pasting from your thread.

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Also this is impressive.

That is hardly that high for something susano sized. And it would still be intact. Haishi after pulling off such large scale air palm like that will be able to immidiately follow up with a rotation to a near instant amerterasu?

Susano is already protecting him from the air palm which he would prep for amaterasu thus it happening literally during. In a situation like that occupied hashi noticing the build in chakra already too late.

But I don't like Itachi enough to debate hard for him. That's all i can think of with what i know about itachi basics.

 

[Stxluciferr]

Lmao. Your comparing the best three hyuuga's, to uchiha fodder that we haven't even seen. They get embarrassed by top tier uchihas and Neji got roasted in the hebi Sasuke debate

 

[-Drāke-]

Itachi fanboys getting butthurt that someone as minor as Hiahsi can solo his ass in 2 seconds flat

You're not serious right
Please tell me you're lying

 

[Joshutsu]

Uhh.... Kaiten and Air palm basically counter anything that strike during the duration of the rotation.... Itachi hasn't shown a tech that lasts longer than the Juubi's infinite spam attack.

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Hiashi uses Air Wall Palm.

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Hiashi uses it before the first cloak is even handed out.



Amaterasu

The jutsu burns the thing it contacts until it doesn't exist. It also had a pressure that could be sensed by the Rinnegan which isn't known for its insight like the Byakugan. The Byakugan's distance and spatial awareness are the best in the series. So it should be able to see the chakra build up in the eye as well as the pressure. With their awareness, they should be able to tell where Itachi would be looking. Thus, he can emit chakra from his Tenketsu to automatically block the attack. As seen by Ay dodging, it is a projectile attack, and is not instantaneous. Thus, it is hit by the wall of chakra and negated. As seen by the fact it burns on Susanoo... it would target the chakra and not Hiashi.


Susanoo

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That size is greater than any Susanoo Itachi has shown. It may be deflected by the Yata; however, basic physics should send it backwards. Even if the shield blocks... the force can still be applied.

Itachi doesn't have the reserves/stamina to hold Susanoo up for long. Given the fact that after two days of fighting Hiashi had the ability to use Wall Palm on that scale with no effort would suggest he has a great level of stamina. Or at least compared to Itachi who's noted to have low reserves.

Kaiten would block the lethel strike of the Totsuka... causing if anything the Kaiten Chakra to be absorbed instead of Hiashi.



Actually a pretty good match up.

Double post. To add I am thinking of a healthy itachi, not a sick one. Again debate with someone who knows about itachi. Haishi is not fighting anyone with his eyes closed, even with intel.

 

[SIX PATHZ]

Closed eyes means they wouldn't get caught in amaterasu and they can use Byakugan to see through it.

Even so, it won't make it to hiashi's body at least.

Air wall palm destroys chakra, susano'O is chakra. Even if it wasn't chakra, the force of air palm.can still destroy it. Yata mirrior can't do much against an applied force. Its not something physical.

when they try to see it there already burning.they have not any single counter for Amaterasu.

hiashi wont stand a chance wt can he do with totsuka?

air palm do nothing comon your old member how can you dnt understand this. which kind a attack destroyed susanoo in this whole series?
yata mirror cant do much? yes only it can tank any kind a attack and repel it.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Jesus stop copy and pasting from your thread.

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Also this is impressive.

That is hardly that high for something susano sized. And it would still be intact. Haishi after pulling off such large scale air palm like that will be able to immidiately follow up with a rotation to a near instant amerterasu?

Susano is already protecting him from the air palm which he would prep for amaterasu thus it happening literally during.

But I don't like Itachi enough to debate hard for him. That's all i can think of with what i know about itachi basics.

why not? Its my own work.

Juubi's arm is like seven times larger and more dense,and if hiashi was able to knock it from earth to heaven, something like susano'o, which is much smaller and less dense would go flying. Not to mention susano'O = chakra .... and air palm destroys chakra.

Itachi wouldn't be able to follow up with a near amaterasu. He'd be affected by the air palm too, he'd feel the shock if the affect as well.

If itachi attempts amaterasu from.insude susano'O, he'd just burn it down lmfao

 

[Dantee]

Sasuke, Madara and Itachi solo Hyuuga.

 

[SIX PATHZ]

Itachi fanboys getting butthurt that someone as minor as Hiahsi can solo his ass in 2 seconds flat

i think your lucky itchi fan boys still not here ma dear. XDXD glad that u except hiashi is a minor.

 

[Joshutsu]

why not? Its my own work.

Juubi's arm is like seven times larger and more dense,and if hiashi was able to knock it from earth to heaven, something like susano'o, which is much smaller and less dense would go flying. Not to mention susano'O = chakra .... and air palm destroys chakra.

Itachi wouldn't be able to follow up with a near amaterasu. He'd be affected by the air palm too, he'd feel the shock if the affect as well.

If itachi attempts amaterasu from.insude susano'O, he'd just burn it down lmfao

It might be your work but i havent read a word of it in walls of text like that.

He won't feel it near as much as he should inside susano.

That's not how it works, as you said it's a chakra manifestation. Amaterasu is faster than those flying spikes and neji has trouble rotating amaterasu solo's

 

[the entire forum]

vision
Hyuga can see things far away and can see 360 degree
Uchiha can see things in slow motion and can predict movements +can see chakra color,

Genjutsu
Huyga -0
Uchiha - can cast variety of genjtsu

Ninjutsu
Huyga -0
Uchiha- copied jutsus

Taijutsu
Huyga can boost their taijutsu with gentle fist -due to they can see small things such as chakra canal...
Uchiha can boost their taijutsu with shunshin speed and jutsu such as chidori or kenjutsu - due to movement prediction

Kinjutsu
Huyga -0
Uchiha -Izanagi,Izanami

 

[LeSauce]

So much fanfic, I think there's another place for these types of threads.

Uchiha>Hyuuga is cannon, why is this even being debated when it's so obvious?

 

[LeSauce]

So much fanfic, I think there's another place for these types of threads.

Uchiha>Hyuuga is cannon, why is this even being debated when it's so obvious?

 

[Made in Heaven]

when they try to see it there already burning.they have not any single counter for Amaterasu.

hiashi wont stand a chance wt can he do with totsuka?

air palm do nothing comon your old member how can you dnt understand this. which kind a attack destroyed susanoo in this whole series?
yata mirror cant do much? yes only it can tank any kind a attack and repel it.

Heavenly Rotation, which works in a similar fashion to Almighty Push, would be capable of stopping Amaterasu or other fire jutsus. It's not clear exactly how Amaterasu behaves. It has been depicted numerous times behaving as both a projectile and a 'manifest' type attack. Further - It is not clear what can or cannot stop it. However, going by the fact that Ay was able to dodge it, this shows it's a projectile.

The Byakugan grants it's user the ability to read and detect it's surroundings much faster than a regular eye, which would make it much easier to spot Amaterasu or Blaze release techniques coming. Heavenly Rotation forms a high-speed dome of chakra around the user, and protects them from all angles.

It is also not clear what insights the Byakugan may be able to provide in regards to the structure of Amaterasu, which may allow them to manipulate it far more readily than others who lack such abilities (as the Byakugan provides far more insight than the Sharingan). Even seeing the buildup of chakra in the eye could be enough for them to devise a way to counter.

Neji is capable of seeing Deidara's chakra build up here.

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As well as Kidomaru's.

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And here is what Nagato says when Itachi is about to use Amaterasu.

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Nagato' statement "This pressure!" Seems to indicate that there is chakra being built up behind the eye, so it's not much of a stretch to say that the Byakugan could very well see the attack incoming. This ability basically allows for them to see what attck their opponent is about to use and plan their counter against it, as all nin & genjutsu requires chakra to perform.

As for susano'O; while its true its very durable, air palm is a technique that destroys chakra, of which susano'O is made of. Not to mention basic physics would tell us that the force of air wall palm would send susano'O flying, regardless of yata mirrior being there or not; that shield blocks elements, not something like an applied force or chakra.

I don't know how may times in gonna have to say this, Vacuum Palm Technique should be able to penetrate the Susano'Oarmor and deal damage to the Uchiha inside. If not then it would be able to keep the Susano'O at bay, remember this is the same technique that knocked back one of the Juubi's arms swinging at full force.

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I seriously can't understand how anyone can consider this a "fodder" attack. I also don't understand how anyone can say this "wasn't impressive".

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Going by these pictures, this is the average Susano'O size. If we were to imagine a Susano'O around Hiashi in the image where he is attcaking the Juubi, it seems that the Juubi's arm is around 7X larger than the Susano'O

Now, the Vaccuum air palm, which clearly shows to have an impact equal in size to the Juubi's arm, is most likely able to defeat a Mangekyo Sharingan Susano'O. Also keep in mind that the Juubi's arm is not only bigger, but MUCH more dense than the Susano'O, as the Juubi's arm isn't HOLLOW like the Susano'O is [This is apparent by the fact that a Susano'O uiser can stand on the inside].

 

[Vega]

Uchiha>Hyuuga, this should be obvious.

 

[Stxluciferr]

@ KGB kakuzu

Even if the Amaterasu part is true, the flames don't stop burning and hyuuga's can't spin forever. Plus didn't totsuka blitz Orochimaru and Nagato? How does he deal with it

 

[Made in Heaven]

Uchiha>Hyuuga, this should be obvious.

Hyuga techs can counter most MS jutsus

 

[Made in Heaven]

@ KGB kakuzu

Even if the Amaterasu part is true, the flames don't stop burning and hyuuga's can't spin forever. Plus didn't totsuka blitz Orochimaru and Nagato? How does he deal with it

No susano'O=No totsuka

Besides, Orochimaru and nagato didn't have Byakugan, which can see chakra molding, sense attacks, and detect movements.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

@ KGB kakuzu

Even if the Amaterasu part is true, the flames don't stop burning and hyuuga's can't spin forever. Plus didn't totsuka blitz Orochimaru and Nagato? How does he deal with it

Because the chakra expelled by a Hyuga can be terminated. Thus, the Amaterasu is left burning nothing but chakra.

Orochimaru

Didn't know it was the Totsuka so he sat there like a fool. Unlike Hiashi, Orochimaru can survive a typical stab wound, and is thus less inclined to dodge.

Nagato

Pretty much plot.

1. Nagato was in Controlled Edo mode meaning he was receiving orders directly from Kabuto. Meaning he lost his normal human reaction.

2. The Rinnegan could see chakra back when Amaterasu was to be used, but suddenly can't see through a cloud of smoke?



Orochimaru proved the Totsuka blade strikes as a physical object, and not a spiritual. This is evident when his Orochi jutsu has all but one snake head cut off. The Totsuka directly slashed these heads. Thus, a legitimate physical stab must take part. Air Palm, Air Wall Palm, and Kaiten all serve as defenses from the weapon physically stabbing him. At this point, Hiashi has to simply hold out against Itachi, who doesn't have the stamina to use Susanoo for an extended duration.