hyuga>uchiha?

[Made in Heaven]

....Go to sleep bro, u need it at this point

Vacuum Palm Technique should be able to penetrate the Susano'Oarmor and deal damage to the Uchiha inside. If not then it would be able to keep the Susano'O at bay, remember this is the same technique that knocked back one of the Juubi's arms swinging at full force.

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I seriously can't understand how anyone can consider this a "fodder" attack. I also don't understand how anyone can say this "wasn't impressive". He managed to knock back that thing from the ground into the sky.

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Going by these pictures, this is the average Susano'O size. If we were to imagine a Susano'O around Hiashi in the image where he is attcaking the Juubi, it seems that the Juubi's arm is around 7X larger than the Susano'O

Now, the Vaccuum air palm, which clearly shows to have an impact equal in size to the Juubi's arm, rivaling even that of Gai's Hirudora,is most likely able to defeat a Mangekyo Sharingan Susano'O. Also keep in mind that the Juubi's arm is not only bigger, but MUCH more dense than the Susano'O, as the Juubi's arm isn't HOLLOW like the Susano'O is [This is apparent by the fact that a Susano'O uiser can stand on the inside].

The Susan'o is detachable from its user, this is seen when Gaara knocks Madara out of his Susan'o. So with Rotating Heavens or Vacuum Palm the Byakugan user can merely pushed the Susan'o back knocking it away from its user. Danzo was also able to make a hole in Susan'O

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Now we know it is a mass of chakra, and because of such there have to be weak points on it just as Kisame's water prision ability, which was able to be destroyed by the Gentle fist.
Remember that like the other MS abilities an Uchiha cannot maintain Susan'o for a long period of time. So all the Byakugan user has to do is wait out the Sharingan user, and remember that he has the ultimate defense(Rotating Heaven) on his side and the Vacuum Palm Technique.

 

[Joshutsu]

personally, I can see neji beating itachi

I can't. Even if I like neji more then Itachi but theres no way he is competing with Itachi.

 

[-Drāke-]

personally, I can see neji beating itachi

I'm done, I can't come to NB anymore.

 

[Made in Heaven]

I can't. Even if I like neji more then Itachi but theres no way he is competing with Itachi.

Hiahsi could beat itachi.

Closed eyes = all genjutsu invalid
Rotation = no amateradu
air wall palm = GG susano'O
Haishi>itachi in taijutsu

 

[Brooks]

There are some major cancer in this thread....no point in debating about this shi_t.​

 

[Forbidden Tale]

It was already stated that Uchiha/Senju are two strongest clans in history.
Kakashi stated that Uchihas before massacre were strongest and know when both Senju and Uchiha don't exist any more Hyuugas are strongest in Leaf.

Uchihas are far better in ninjutsu and genjutsu and they are very skilled in taijutsu. Of course Hyuugas have better tai, but Uchihas are more skilled in tai than Hyuugas in genjutsu.
On top of that Uchihas have strong chakra.

 

[Made in Heaven]

There are some major cancer in this thread....no point in debating about this shi_t.​

Yep, because they hyuga would obviously win.

 

[SIX PATHZ]

Neji is capable of seeing Deidara's chakra build up here.

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As well as Kidomaru's.

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And here is what Nagato says when Itachi is about to use Amaterasu.

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Nagato' statement "This pressure!" Seems to indicate that there is chakra being built up behind the eye, so it's not much of a stretch to say that the Byakugan could very well see the attack incoming. This ability basically allows for them to see what attck their opponent is about to use and plan their counter against it, as all nin & genjutsu requires chakra to perform.

thats somthing sharingan can do better.and no matter they can see it or not its too late to them.there is a big different between sensing and countering. and genjutsu when they try to see those chakra there already in it.

 

[FatherOfMurder]

Uchiha's are only strong with borrowed power...


The hyūga clan in general are stronger than the uchiha.

 

[Jiraiyathesannin]

Vacuum Palm Technique should be able to penetrate the Susano'Oarmor and deal damage to the Uchiha inside. If not then it would be able to keep the Susano'O at bay, remember this is the same technique that knocked back one of the Juubi's arms swinging at full force.

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I seriously can't understand how anyone can consider this a "fodder" attack. I also don't understand how anyone can say this "wasn't impressive". He managed to knock back that thing from the ground into the sky.

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Going by these pictures, this is the average Susano'O size. If we were to imagine a Susano'O around Hiashi in the image where he is attcaking the Juubi, it seems that the Juubi's arm is around 7X larger than the Susano'O

Now, the Vaccuum air palm, which clearly shows to have an impact equal in size to the Juubi's arm, rivaling even that of Gai's Hirudora,is most likely able to defeat a Mangekyo Sharingan Susano'O. Also keep in mind that the Juubi's arm is not only bigger, but MUCH more dense than the Susano'O, as the Juubi's arm isn't HOLLOW like the Susano'O is [This is apparent by the fact that a Susano'O uiser can stand on the inside].

The Susan'o is detachable from its user, this is seen when Gaara knocks Madara out of his Susan'o. So with Rotating Heavens or Vacuum Palm the Byakugan user can merely pushed the Susan'o back knocking it away from its user. Danzo was also able to make a hole in Susan'O

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Now we know it is a mass of chakra, and because of such there have to be weak points on it just as Kisame's water prision ability, which was able to be destroyed by the Gentle fist.
Remember that like the other MS abilities an Uchiha cannot maintain Susan'o for a long period of time. So all the Byakugan user has to do is wait out the Sharingan user, and remember that he has the ultimate defense(Rotating Heaven) on his side and the Vacuum Palm Technique.

this is all true

 

[Turson]

1) I just watched that episode again and 30 percent was left to keep extracting the bijuu. so he would be 70.

Nope, Nagato said that hes gonna use 30% of Kisames chakra to create a clone.

I'm not saying hyuga CAN beat ms user, I'm pointing out they have good counters. that being said rotation is op. he was more than fast enough with kidomarus super speed arrow

I wouldnt call an uneffective counter a real counter.

 

[Made in Heaven]

So much underrating and no real debating.

 

[DaileyM]

Uchihas stomp Hyuugas with feats

 

[Joshutsu]

Hiahsi could beat itachi.

Closed eyes = all genjutsu invalid
Rotation = no amateradu
air wall palm = GG susano'O
Haishi>itachi in taijutsu

Except Itachi has a susano and a fountain of techniques...

Haishi's only counters are rotation, air palm and those cover like uhm idk what lol

Please don't show me kyubi cloak air palm feats either. Amterterasu/susano will neg.

Closing his eyes, im not debating this with genjutsu.

this is all true

IP tracking exists lol

 

[Brooks]

Yep, because they hyuga would obviously win.

Oh, really? Can you tell me more?​

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

I'm literally wracking my brain trying to think what member has those initials

Crystal Chakra

 

[Made in Heaven]

Except Itachi has a susano and a fountain of techniques...

Haishi's only counters are rotation, air palm and those cover like uhm idk what lol

Please don't show me kyubi cloak air palm feats either. Amterterasu/susano will neg.

Closing his eyes, im not debating this with genjutsu.

A fountain of techs? All he has is his sharingan powers + fire style.

That's more than enough.

Read 614 again, hiashi sends the juubi's arm, something seven tikes larger than itachi's susano'O and also more dense, from the ground hundreds of metered into the sky, no kyuubi cloak.

Hyuga's can't get caught in Genjutsu since they can fight with eyes closed. In the case they do get caught in a a gen-jutsu, they can easily tell if they're under a Genjutsu thanks to their Byakugan's ability to see chakra flow, as shown by Ao.

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Just like the Sharingan does.

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With Their X, 360 degree, and extended vision, the Hyugas can both close their eyes, to prevent getting caught in Genjutsu of the Sharingan, and still see where their opponent is and exactly what they’re doing. It was also shown by Hinata in the Itachi Pursuit ARC that the Byakugan is capable of detecting when a Genjutsu is in use.

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Now on to dispelling genjutsu if caught.

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Here Jiraiya Says "If you use more power" this seems to indicate that, the better you are at controlling your chakra, the easier it will be to break or dispel genjutsu, which explains why Sakura was considered a genjutsu type, as casting genjutsu and dispelling it both require great control of chakra.

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Tsukiyomi has been confirmed to require FULL EYE CONTACT to work, as was in the case of Asuma & Kurenai closing their eyes when facing Itachi.

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So unless the Hyuga don't have knowledge on it, Tsykyomi can't do shit to them. Hyugas, like I said before, could simply fight with their eyes closed. Due to the complexity of the illusion and the quickness with which it is executed, an enormous amount of chakra is necessary and an added amount of stress is placed on the left eye, leaving Itachi's vision more blurred.

In the end, it has been CONFIRMED that all three dojutsus are resistant to visual genjutsu, as pain only got caught in sound genjutsu, and sasuke was caught only in tsykyomi, something beyond your normal genjutsu. All those other times itachi attempted to put him in normal genjutsu, he saw through it.

 

[SIX PATHZ]

Hiahsi could beat itachi.

Closed eyes = all genjutsu invalid
Rotation = no amateradu
air wall palm = GG susano'O
Haishi>itachi in taijutsu

closed eyes doing nothing bt make him slow to Amaterasu and totsuka.
rotation make Amaterasu worse and spread wide.
air wall palm can give a itch to yata mirror. oh hope hiashi can tank his own attack when its repel to him.
where did u see anbu leder in age 13 week in taijutsu?

 

[Made in Heaven]

closed eyes doing nothing bt make him slow to Amaterasu and totsuka.
rotation make Amaterasu worse and spread wide.
air wall palm can give a itch to yata mirror. oh hope hiashi can tank his own attack when its repel to him.
where did u see anbu leder in age 13 week in taijutsu?

Closed eyes means they wouldn't get caught in amaterasu and they can use Byakugan to see through it.

Even so, it won't make it to hiashi's body at least.

Air wall palm destroys chakra, susano'O is chakra. Even if it wasn't chakra, the force of air palm.can still destroy it. Yata mirrior can't do much against an applied force. Its not something physical.

 

[Jiraiyathesannin]

Except Itachi has a susano and a fountain of techniques...

Haishi's only counters are rotation, air palm and those cover like uhm idk what lol

Please don't show me kyubi cloak air palm feats either. Amterterasu/susano will neg.

Closing his eyes, im not debating this with genjutsu.



IP tracking exists lol

I dare you, get a mod to track the ip. I don't know them