(DrProof) Indra Ōtsutsuki's Sucessors [Every Member Must Read]

[Behemoth55]

The Hagoromo-Clan didn't fight {together} with the Uchiha against Senju. If I remember correctly the raw has been more specific regarding that case, but I will take a look again.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

Very nice! I thoroughly enjoyed the read. There are two points I want to bring up; more questions than disagreements.

First Question: You may have made this clear in the thread and I am just having trouble understanding it, but I can't tell if you are trying to make the point that Sojobo is a real, physical character, who will have an impact and appear sometime later in the story or you're simply saying that Indra, being the original Uchiha and having the first Susanoo, is merely a metaphor for the fabled King. Kishi drew inspiration for the Uchiha clan from the Tengu hierarchy (displayed by their similar abilities: Susanoo, crows, etc.) and Indra being the greatest Uchiha is based of the Tengu King Sojobo. I'm not sure I clearly understood that point.

Second: I really loved the link you made with the Hagoromo clan (being as that was the main point of the thread). All the pieces seem to fit what you are saying so I won't argue it, but I guess my question (and it seems others have asked this as well on the thread) is how would such a thing pertain to the story moving forward? You're trying to make the case that "hey, this clan worshipped Indra like a King and are related to the Uchiha (even if only by envy)." Which is fine and might be true, but you stop the theory there without mentioning any impact that would have on future chapters. If it has no bearing on the story then it will forever be speculation.

An example (perhaps a bad one) would be like me making a theory on how Kakashi's mom used Lightning style techniques. I could provide all the evidence in the world, but if it doesn't come up later in the story then it will never be true.

So I guess it boils down too...What does this mean for the story?!

 

[DrProof]

I don't even know what to disagree to... [Bold] Who? [Underline] What ideals?

Alright I'll have to explain it a bit more, I see.

Who: The one's Indra blessed with his Chakra; The Uchiha

Ideals: Indra's Ideals were to use Power to gain Peace, while Asura's Ideals were to use Love, and Unity to gain Peace.

Now if (Who) the Uchiha used his power to try and gain (Ideals) Peace they would be the succession of Indra. Now to those who weren't blessed with Indra's Chakra (The Hagoromo Clan), they could only follow his Ideals (To gain Peace via Power), so they followed the Uchiha who we're following the Path of Indra. They then were considered a succession of Indra as well.

 

[DrProof]

Very nice! I thoroughly enjoyed the read. There are two points I want to bring up; more questions than disagreements.

First Question: You may have made this clear in the thread and I am just having trouble understanding it, but I can't tell if you are trying to make the point that Sojobo is a real, physical character, who will have an impact and appear sometime later in the story or you're simply saying that Indra, being the original Uchiha and having the first Susanoo, is merely a metaphor for the fabled King. Kishi drew inspiration for the Uchiha clan from the Tengu hierarchy (displayed by their similar abilities: Susanoo, crows, etc.) and Indra being the greatest Uchiha is based of the Tengu King Sojobo. I'm not sure I clearly understood that point.

Second: I really loved the link you made with the Hagoromo clan (being as that was the main point of the thread). All the pieces seem to fit what you are saying so I won't argue it, but I guess my question (and it seems others have asked this as well on the thread) is how would such a thing pertain to the story moving forward? You're trying to make the case that "hey, this clan worshipped Indra like a King and are related to the Uchiha (even if only by envy)." Which is fine and might be true, but you stop the theory there without mentioning any impact that would have on future chapters. If it has no bearing on the story then it will forever be speculation.

An example (perhaps a bad one) would be like me making a theory on how Kakashi's mom used Lightning style techniques. I could provide all the evidence in the world, but if it doesn't come up later in the story then it will never be true.

So I guess it boils down too...What does this mean for the story?!

I was waiting for your reply bud! Alright here's my A's to your Q's:

A) I am introducing Sojobo as a mirror for Indra within this thread, as you also implied they have similar structuring. However, I am also not writing out that Sojobo cannot be a physical entity within the plot (I'll get into this more-so at the last portion of this Q/A segment) overall within this thread I was introducing Sojobo; King of Tengu as the Spiritual Resemblance/Entity of Indra, King of Gods.

B) You're right where does all this pertain to forwarding the Plot? Well here's my ideology on how the Hagoromo have some affect regarding the plot. As I've already noted Indra -> The Uchiha Clan -> The Hagoromo Clan; All resembled Tengus spiritually. Now where is this going exactly? Well it's all leading up to Sojobo.

Remember how the majority of The NV thought Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki was a fairy-tale? But in the end, Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki was very much real, appearing before Naruto, and Sasuke through the conjoined chakra of Asura/Indra (my speculation anyhow). Whose to say Sojobo won't/can't do the very same through his subjects (Indra, The Uchiha, and The Hagoromo).

Whose to say that Sojobo can't be summed into The NV world through Kaija Hōin (Evil Releasing Method). Sojobo basically is within every Uchiha who possess Indra's chakra.

I can go so far with the realization that Sojobo may very well be the final villain, or very so appear physically within the Manga.

 

[Trollasaur]

You are being modest, I dont even compare but I appreciate the compliment

No worries, I have misunderstood you once before, I guess we are even now

You talk like a gigantic fa gg ot. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[adeshina365]

I don't see how this relationship could possibly exist...

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[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

Good read , you might be right, although this is the first time i hear of the tengu effect, none the less your hypothesis makes great sense.

 

[DrProof]

I don't see how this relationship could possibly exist...

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I understand why you're confusing our theories. Your theory pertains to Physical Power Differentiating, mine so much pertains to Spiritual Stature. (I've read your theory before, it was well done)

That's what is confusing you I believe.

 

[adeshina365]

I understand why you're confusing our theories. Your theory pertains to Physical Power Differentiating, mine so much pertains to Spiritual Stature. (I've read your theory before, it was well done)

That's what is confusing you I believe.

Ah, I see. It makes more sense now...

 

[DrProof]

Ah, I see. It makes more sense now...

Although one could say our theories are still one in the same. Here's why:

The Kotengu: Highest Level of Power one could achieve with MS Sharingan - The Weakest

The Daitengu: Highest Level of Power one could achieve with EMS Sharingan Stabilized - The Strongest

(Indra)Sojobo; King of Tengu/Susano'o: Highest Level of Susano'o

 

[Behemoth55]

Do you know the original meaning of "Hagoromo" and the "Hagoromo-Clan" in the japanese version? Only the romanisation is the same, but to be honest that doesn't have to mean anything....no joke. That case is similar to a former argumentation about Senju and Senjutsu and a possible relation, but Senjutsu regards to some kind of "magic-powers" in the raw and Senju to thousand hands.
Also to a completely different context.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Cool story bro

 

[Behemoth55]

Cool story bro

Nah it's right. The romanisation is the same, but the original may express something different. That's why it's hard to tell if there is any real connection between two terms.

 

[DrProof]

Do you know the original meaning of "Hagoromo" and the "Hagoromo-Clan" in the japanese version? Only the romanisation is the same, but to be honest that doesn't have to mean anything....no joke. That case is similar to a former argumentation about Senju and Senjutsu and a possible relation, but Senjutsu regards to some kind of "magic-powers" in the raw and Senju to thousand hands.
Also to a completely different context.

Eh, I make theories with what I'm given. But thanks for the information bud. Repped.

 

[Behemoth55]

Eh, I make theories with what I'm given. But thanks for the information bud. Repped.

Nah, it's ok. It seems both terms refer to the same context.
However, that thing about the Senju/Senjutsu was right. ^^

 

[DrProof]

Nah, it's ok. It seems both terms refer to the same context.
However, that thing about the Senju/Senjutsu was right. ^^

Great! Anything you have any doubts about other than that within this thread by the way?