What is US's next move?

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Should the US focus on the "counter-attack" against Russia (like sanctioning and cutting diplomatic ties), invite the actual Ukrainian government to EU/NATO or should the US sparkle tension in Kazakhstan and Belarus, in order to inflict further geopolitical isolation to Russia?
 

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Should the US focus on the "counter-attack" against Russia (like sanctioning and cutting diplomatic ties), invite the actual Ukrainian government to EU/NATO or should the US sparkle tension in Kazakhstan and Belarus, in order to inflict further geopolitical isolation to Russia?

Yes, the United States should re-instate the cold war. Sounds like a brilliant idea!
 

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im the one guy that is crazy out of his mind.
**** it lets start WW3
 

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The next move is to sit back back, nuke everyone and then smoke weed to recover from the trauma
 

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Imagine a world where people actually knew how to get along.
 

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The next move is to sit back back, nuke everyone and then smoke weed to recover from the trauma
Sounds like a good plan :cool:

OT: the US should sit back and try to solve thugs peacefully, because you don't know what might happen that will trigger a third world war.
 

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The next move is to sit back back, nuke everyone and then smoke weed to recover from the trauma

Nuke everyone and smoke weed? Not like any of the other nuclear capable countries would fire their own stockpile back at us or anything. That would be absurd.
 

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Imagine a world where people actually knew how to get along.

What kind of madness is that?!?
People always do anything for action,Even if it takes lives.
People Hate without reason.
 

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U.S. should stop meddling but hey..that goes against their imperialist agenda
 

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Should the US focus on the "counter-attack" against Russia (like sanctioning and cutting diplomatic ties), invite the actual Ukrainian government to EU/NATO or should the US sparkle tension in Kazakhstan and Belarus, in order to inflict further geopolitical isolation to Russia?

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Let me just say if US will go on a war against Russie it is a lost cause.Russians wont hesitate to Nuke any country.also Chinese and North Korea plus Russia total around 500 000 000 army( as units) that is subs,nuclear subs,nuclear rockets,tanks,ships ,gas bombs and many many more.US wont risk it.They will let RUssia do whatever they want as always.I think 2 WW speak for themselves.DONT GO TO WAR AGAINST RUSSIA!
 

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They will let RUssia do whatever they want as always.I think 2 WW speak for themselves

oh sure, it's always been like that.... that's why russia just lost one of it's key allies in the last couple months: ukraine

also, if you combine all the NATO units it is still more than russia; china and north korea combined (not sure if iran would give these 3 eastern powers the advtange, but still, the US has Israel in its pocket (or should i rather say, israel has the US in its pocket). but unfortunately, you're right. russia has stated pubicly that any direct action of war taken against them would result in the usage of ICBMs and unfortunately nato's AMD Aegis doesn't counter russian topol mirv in kalinigrad which could strike germany, and you bet there will be some nuclear attack capable subs on the black sea after russia has annexed crimea. but this is just day dreaming, the US isn't an imbecile and it will avoid war as long as possible by making geopolitical manuevers to crush the power of china;russia;north korea;iran economically and politic.
 

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oh sure, it's always been like that.... that's why russia just lost one of it's key allies in the last couple months: ukraine

also, if you combine all the NATO units it is still more than russia; china and north korea combined (not sure if iran would give these 3 eastern powers the advtange, but still, the US has Israel in its pocket (or should i rather say, israel has the US in its pocket). but unfortunately, you're right. russia has stated pubicly that any direct action of war taken against them would result in the usage of ICBMs and unfortunately nato's AMD Aegis doesn't counter russian topol mirv in kalinigrad which could strike germany, and you bet there will be some nuclear attack capable subs on the black sea after russia has annexed crimea. but this is just day dreaming, the US isn't an imbecile and it will avoid war as long as possible by making geopolitical manuevers to crush the power of china;russia;north korea;iran economically and politic.
As I said ,Russia does not have as a target to bomb USA but bomb its allies.If USA is alone they are no match.Plus if he uses only 10 dirty bombs on USA soil the whole continent becomes inhabitant in meaning that nothing will be able to grow and you know the drill.BEst option if you ask me ,let russia do whatever they want and dont cause turmoil.Because i know our country as a former Soviet power is itching its finger to get back some of our rightfull lands.And if you end up in a war against us it would be very hard.You can check the WW1 Doiran battle.When I think about it how many years has the world been without a war?To tell you the truth if I was a leader I would just said I am tired.Lets save the people ,lets stop hunger,lets stop using money for things that are FREE outside the store.like water.But we all know that is inpossible as they have wars to controll the global populace.If we exceede a certain number they activate the HAARP and its giant waves everywhere.I just wish world was like back in the days.no fancy weapons,no guns,just a man and his sword.That is a war and not this shooting contest.
 

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As I said ,Russia does not have as a target to bomb USA but bomb its allies.If USA is alone they are no match.Plus if he uses only 10 dirty bombs on USA soil the whole continent becomes inhabitant in meaning that nothing will be able to grow and you know the drill.BEst option if you ask me ,let russia do whatever they want and dont cause turmoil.Because i know our country as a former Soviet power is itching its finger to get back some of our rightfull lands.And if you end up in a war against us it would be very hard.You can check the WW1 Doiran battle.When I think about it how many years has the world been without a war?To tell you the truth if I was a leader I would just said I am tired.Lets save the people ,lets stop hunger,lets stop using money for things that are FREE outside the store.like water.But we all know that is inpossible as they have wars to controll the global populace.If we exceede a certain number they activate the HAARP and its giant waves everywhere.I just wish world was like back in the days.no fancy weapons,no guns,just a man and his sword.That is a war and not this shooting contest.



you said that russia would never attack us, only it's allies. but one minute later, you say that russia will make a crater the **** out of the american continent, even tho the very accurate link above makes it clear for anyone who is not mentally retarded that the us vs russia war would be us resolution. also there is no such a scenario where nato wouldn't back the americans. your arguments are contradicotry, fake and invalid. if you can't keep up with the level of this conversation instead of presenting arguments based on bullshit, then leave the thread or at least try to be funny like the marijuana guy.
 

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Lol why everyone thinks that China and NK would team up with Russia ?
Russia taking Crimea is nothing compared to the US achievements in EU.They already gave a big pain to Russia
 

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Ah,dont you know what a dirty bomb is?It is not the equivalent of a nuclear blast ,its a normal bomb,but the radiation from the toxic waste that is in the bombgets carried by the wind everywhere.That is why I think next war will be most gruesome as all will use new weapons and new ways to kill.I dont know if you know this ,but judging your knowledge I will say you do(one of the few maybe) but there was a fighting in the70's i think if I am recalling correctly between 15000 chinese army and maybe 30000 russians not quite sure but the whole point was,the russians used a weapon that melted the whole army.Only the photo blenders were left.
I am sick of you US people talking like this.You are not even a nation.You are mix of settlers that 400 years later decided they were a global power.You will do a mistake like Bush did ,and like Obama did.I dare to say you did not have a good an honest president since Kennedy.Yeah he like Monroe and coke but the man was honest and reallywantedto end thebloodshed in Vietnam.Also I will not leave the thread,just because you want me to.You do not own this internet data.Also I am contradicting myself because war is the last thing I want to see.If there is war everything will change.In meaning that,yeah people said it when a country wants fresh money it starts a war.All in all I just hope Obama is not the one that presses the button.As you said it ,its too bad that Dr Luther's dream is in Israel pocket.Can you tell me why is that so?What do you need from Israel that makes them so damn important.
 
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Should the US focus on the "counter-attack" against Russia (like sanctioning and cutting diplomatic ties), invite the actual Ukrainian government to EU/NATO or should the US sparkle tension in Kazakhstan and Belarus, in order to inflict further geopolitical isolation to Russia?

Here's the problem:

Economics.

Because the U.S. left the Gold Standard a long time ago, and has been relying upon OPEC to reinforce the international value of Treasury Bonds (Federal Reserve bank notes) - we are in a bit of a bind. We can't actually impose heavy sanctions on Russia.

Our economy is entirely dependent upon countries like Russia, China, etc buying U.S. treasury bonds so that they can do business with OPEC. This is also why Russia has been so adamant about controlling Europe's supply of Natural Gas and other hydrocarbon fuels.

Russia and China are committing to economic war against the U.S. And we were -not- ready for it.

The best thing we can do is to start drilling and pursuing practical energy sources that can keep our European allies minimally dependent upon Russia, economically. That will give Russia less military freedom over the Baltic, Balkan, and Croatian regions.

Here is how it would play out if Russia were to invade, say, Bosnia - Bosnia would plea to NATO for support. That support would be given - but Russia would sanction natural gas. Without the ability to supply natural gas - people would start to shift toward the practical outlook. Life wasn't so bad under Russia, before - and it's yet another war being fueled by the foreign super-powers that always seem to find a reason to blow things up in Eastern Europe.

Their will to be independent begins to falter. Those who truly seek the lifestyle of the West tend to migrate out of the region, and those who don't care or who were not all that opposed to Russia's influence remain behind. Good Morning, Vietnam.

As such - we have to be very careful how and where we get involved. Our currency is very fragile at the moment, and we do not have the reserves to even begin to back up the -printed- values. That doesn't include vault values (or 'vault cash') manufactured through umpteen thousand iterations of fractional reserve banking.

My advice would be to open up the military to accepting foreign contracts for defense. If other countries want our assistance - they can contract our services (or if business interests wish to have us intervene in a region - they can contract us to do so). I have an entire restructuring of the military based around this concept where the U.S. federal government only pays for a reserve force and training - the rest is left up to officers O6 and above (Colonel in the ground forces, Captain in the Navy) to manage their commands and bid on contract service. When an officer accepts a contract and assigns people to it - they are paid for their time as if they were active duty, and then they return to a reserve status until assigned to another contract.

High speed, low drag. Put officers in charge of their command's finances (meaning they actually get money and can choose to spend or save it - not "use it or lose it" models), and you'll see the cost of maintaining a force the size of ours fall through the floor (easily 30% of our defense budget is simply wasted because of stupid - another 20% goes to redundant or misguided projects - and probably another 10% could be saved by more efficient use of equipment and manpower).

Defense is one of the things America does exceptionally well. Further, a lot of Americans are good at heart and believe in doing the right thing (not to say that other nations don't - but a lot of foreigners are taken aback by the willingness of our people to give of ourselves for the sake of others). There are a lot of places where we could go and do good - but we need to let market factors guide our foreign policy - rather than this schizophrenic nonsense we have today (that gets us in trouble).

Arguably - we could simply do away with more than a reserve force and simply let PMCs run free - but that might be a bit much for people to wrap their heads around.

Regardless... Russia is controlling this game. We don't have the right people in office to take control of this one and start acting instead of reacting. Russia is going to corner us into a war (or the posturing for it) - and it's going to break our currency. The man is not a fool, and turnabout is fair play.
 

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In this order:

1. Start WW3
2. Sit back and nuke everyone, except Japan
3. Wait 5 years and ourselves and Japan

Then Earth will finally be rid of the infectious virus that is humanity.
 
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