Theory: The "True" Sharingan and Visual Split!

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Hello.
Basically I want to explain something in this thread.
As you know, in today's chapter it was shown that Kaguya has the Sharingan.
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But as you may have noticed, this is no ordinary Sharingan. Look at the amount of Tomoe and Ripples:
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Meaning, this "Sharingan" is actually superior to that of the Uchiha.
In reality, this may most likely be the union of what we now call the Rinnegan and Sharingan.
For identification sake, we will call this the Nin-Sharingan. (nin being Nine)
Now this is very plausible, why?
Let's take a look.
Firstly, from what Madara told us in Chapter 646 "God Tree"; the blossoming of the Shinju will reveal an eye reflecting the Genjutsu onto the moon.
But what is interesting is that this "eye", is the exactly the same as Kaguya's.
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Meaning, her "true eyes" were probably normal (well, whatever "normal" for her is) but this Nin-Sharingan was inherited from consuming the fruit of the Shinju.
In my opinion, for a brief time after the fruit was consumed, the Juubi's eye weakened and condescended into a Rinnegan. This was probably from the heavy loss of Chakra from losing its fruit. (Notice the bottom right panel)
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Thus, the complete eye of the Juubi/Kaguya is the apex/unity of both Sharingan and Rinnegan.

As we already know, the Byakugan is a dojutsu that focus on the Yin and Yang of chakra and life, and has been shown through many panels. Here is just one panel with this trait:
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But now let's recall:
During the fight between Obito and Konan;
Obito told the latter the Concept of Izanagi, the Uchiha Visual Kinjutsu, and how it works.
To be summarize him, Yin equates for the mental aspect while Yang gives it physical "life."
Now take note of 2 things:
  1. The Giant Eye in the Middle representing Yin and Yang
  2. The Eye above Hagoromo in the Upper-Left pannel
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Seem familiar?
It is the same eyes we saw from the fruit of the Shinju and Kaguya.
This re-leads me to believe that Kaguya's "Nin-Sharingan", may have been the apex/unity of the Rinnegan and Sharingan.
The Yin/Yang represents Kaguya's complete control over each Visual technique emitting from her eyes.

But here is what I now believe:
The Yin Obito was referring to; equates to the Sharingan aspect of Kaguya's Nin-Sharingan.
Meaning, the Sharingan or hypnotic eye, relates to the mental aspect.
In fact it contains powerful mental aspects, most specifically being Genjutsu.
In fact, Kaguya manipulated this application of Yin to her own benefit, or as Rikudo stated on the "people."
What visual power would she use on the people you ask?
I believe this may be Genjutsu usage on the people; thus this being her application of the Yin/pure Sharingan portion of her Visual Prowess.
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The "Yang", or her physical portion of her abilities constituted for her powerful life-force and the physical power she gained from her these eyes and Shinju.

Now this is what I believe happened next.
But first let's recall what happened with the Rikudo:
As Hagoromo had 2 offspring; one son received specific genes while the other failed.
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BUT each son still inherited unique qualities
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The exact same thing happened with Kaguya and her sons.
Hagoromo's brother inherited the Byakugan and it passed into the Hyuuga.
That's why it was said that its' origins lies within the Sharingan.
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Now here is where I believe the Rinnegan may have just been a similar to a mutation indeed.
Here was the dilemma:
Kaguya's other eye was her Nin-Sharingan, or the apex of the Sharingan and Rinnegan.
With 2 unique dojutsus, only 1 could pass.
Why?
Because the only way to get this nin-sharingan hen was consuming the fruit of the Shinju.
Meaning that Hagoromo would inherit either the Sharingan or Rinnegan.

But even though Hagoromo inherited the Rinnegan portion from this Nin-Sharingan, he still retained the genetic history within his DNA.
A similar thing happened with Indra, being that the Sharingan portion still present from Hagoromo's lineage transpired onto Indra and that became the Uchiha clan.

Being that Indra was still Hagoromo's son, his Mangeyko Sharingan became the Unique spirals.
I believe this may assert How Indra's eyes were genetically the closest eye to the Rinnegan yet still inferior.
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Also it is important to note that Indra probably didn't have the Rinnegan.

General Summary:
  • Kaguya's third eye may have been the union of the Sharingan and Rinnegan
  • The Juubi's eye may have degraded to a Rinnegan for a short time
  • Kaguya's Byakugan passed onto the weaker brother
  • Hagoromo inherited the Rinnegan aspect from Kaguya's eye
  • Indra inherited the Sharingan from the genetic history of Hagoromo
  • Indra's spiral eyes (Mangeyko Sharingan) may be the closest Sharingan to the Rinnegan
Thank you, Vega
 
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Well the Sharingan that we're all familiar with is always going to be a watered down version when compared to that of Kaguya's. They're all descendants after all.
 

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You kinda stated the obvious, except with a few points such as the Juubi's eye being weaken, I highly doubt this since this was a story told by Madara, who doesn't even know the truth fully or is maybe lying about the truth.
 

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I hate to be that guy, but wasn't this a tad bit obvious? This super Sharingan has circles like the Rin'negan and tomoe much like the Sharingan, it is only possessed by the Shinju [the progenitor of all Sharingan and Rin'negan jutsu] and Kaguya [who ate the Shinju's fruit].

Black Zetsu said Madara and Hagoromo were the only ones to awaken the Rin'negan and his brother's staff didn't have the Yin and Yang aspect to it like Hagoromo. With today's reveal of Kaguya possessing the Byakugan it's all, but confirmed that his brother didn't have the Rin'negan at all.

And Indra's spiral eyes are the closest form of the Sharingan to the Rin'negan, they look nearly indentical and he is directly related to Hagoromo.

I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but like this is all easily inferred from the manga.
 

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I hate to be that guy, but wasn't this a tad bit obvious? This super Sharingan has circles like the Rin'negan and tomoe much like the Sharingan, it is only possessed by the Shinju [the progenitor of all Sharingan and Rin'negan jutsu] and Kaguya [who ate the Shinju's fruit].

Black Zetsu said Madara and Hagoromo were the only ones to awaken the Rin'negan and his brother's staff didn't have the Yin and Yang aspect to it like Hagoromo. With today's reveal of Kaguya possessing the Byakugan it's all, but confirmed that his brother didn't have the Rin'negan at all.

And Indra's spiral eyes are the closest form of the Sharingan to the Rin'negan, they look nearly indentical and he is directly related to Hagoromo.

I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but like this is all easily inferred from the manga.
Well yeah I tried to state some obvious things but use that to make some more radical suggestions to build up an idea, and not everyone always either notices or accepts the obvious doe. Prime example: Sasuke being Indra.
And there are actually people who disagree with some of these things
 
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nice thread once again very well thought out :)

i agree with you and the juubi's eye deriving to a normal rinnegan is possible since a juubi who still wasnt at its full power still only has 6 tomo ..
 

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nice thread once again very well thought out :)

i agree with you and the juubi's eye deriving to a normal rinnegan is possible since a juubi who still wasnt at its full power still only has 6 tomo ..
Thank you Kirikoe :)
I might even say the same happened with the Sharingan weakened over time being that at first there was no need for a Eternal Mangeyko but as the Dojutsu weakened generation to gen, the eyes weakened from parent to offspring.

Hell yeah dude nice theory! Good articulation. Seems like what actually could happen!
Thanks man, glad you liked it Lol
Great theory
Thanks Link Lol
Wow. Such theory. Very logic. Much comprehension.
Amazing as always, bro.
Thanks man, glad you liked it :p
I like it, nice.
Why thank you Joker
 

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Plausible, but maybe it might not transpire this way. Let's see where this goes. Nice theory.
Thanks shelke, I agree that Kishi probably didn't plan everything as I assumed in this thread but I can see him showing this in the manga.
 

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^ Kishimoto just goes with the flow, which would explain the sudden Byakugan addition. It was extremely poor writing on his part.

P.s: I am sorry I cannot rep you as I have given you rep and have to spread it around first. I'll just leave a thanks in its place.
 

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^ Kishimoto just goes with the flow, which would explain the sudden Byakugan addition. It was extremely poor writing on his part.

P.s: I am sorry I cannot rep you as I have given you rep and have to spread it around first. I'll just leave a thanks in its place.
Yes I agree, it was horrid writing.
And no problem, thanks for the thanks xd
 

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I'm another of the one who feel this is all pretty obvious. Having said that good post plus one for showing the ones who can't follow the story.
 

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If you're not Sir Derp Obito:
1. Your theories are invalid
2. You shouldn't be doing theories
3. You must ask SDO for his consent to post theories.
 

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I'm another of the one who feel this is all pretty obvious. Having said that good post plus one for showing the ones who can't follow the story.
Yeah not everyone always notices this stuff so that's why it's good to state it every now and then and it also had some other stuff as well.
If you're not Sir Derp Obito:
1. Your theories are invalid
2. You shouldn't be doing theories
3. You must ask SDO for his consent to post theories.
EDIT:
My bad, didn't realize you were trolling
 
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Yeah not everyone always notices this stuff so that's why it's good to state it every now and then and it also had some other stuff as well.

Hilarious, considering I have spoken with Sir Derp before and credited him for another theory of mine, and he has liked what I've said in prior ones.
Next time do your research before you look like an idiot
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@Bold: Pretty sure he was joking...

OT: Great theory. Thanked and repped.
 
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