[Discussion] someone tell me..

[The 1 who knows]

I still dont understand how madara is the bad guy? i mean his intentions are for the best...someone please break it down for me?

 

[Joethemh]

No one wants to live a forced life. Even if it is seemingly perfect.

 

[Ōkami]

He wants to remake the world in his imagine.

It's easy to preach about peace when all who oppose you are dead.

 

[G 0 OMF godly]

Madara is more like an anti-villain,

an anti-villain is a villain with heroic ideals,

he wants to create peace and prosperity but he does it in a villainous way,

 

[Lucidus]

as the others said.. no one wants to live a life that is forced on them.. also madara's intentions seem to be something different..

 

[Corgi]

Maybe the fact that he enjoys crushing skulls, killing people, and wants power. And don't say he did it for Mugen Tsukiyomi, because he's been doing it since before he read the tablet.

 

[Pirate King]

Madara is more like an anti-villain,

an anti-villain is a villain with heroic ideals,

he wants to create peace and prosperity but he does it in a villainous way,

Anti-hero lol

 

[G 0 OMF godly]

Anti-hero lol

lol no, anti-hero is on the hero's side, and anti-villain in on the villain's side

anti hero = hero side not heroic ideals

anti villain = on villain side not villain ideals

 

[Honord Sage]

I still dont understand how madara is the bad guy? i mean his intentions are for the best...someone please break it down for me?

Depriving people of their own choice in life is evil, How would you like being tole 24/7 what to do for the rest of your life,what to we are,what to eat,sleep and who to love?

 

[itachi uchiha fiance]

start reading manga when madara appear on battle field u will automatically know.

 

[St Joseph]

I actually think his mind is in the right place, but he's doing the wrong actions

 

[Mari Makinami]

Depriving people of their own choice in life is evil, How would you like being tole 24/7 what to do for the rest of your life,what to we are,what to eat,sleep and who to love?

Actually it's not like that, the concept of the Infinite Tsukuyomi is that you will just get what you want, not what Madara wants for you. The only problem is that this world is illusion. But it's a very complicated question of philosophy, what is reality and what isn't.

OT: I don't think Madara is evil, nor are his goals. In my opinion, if you don't realize that your reality is illusion, there is no real difference between reality and illusion.

 

[Uzumakisan]

A genjutsu that will bring whatever you wish, thats what Madara says. (actually what he made Obito believe)

Do people even believe in someone like Madara?

He've beeing manipulating and cheating everyone even after his death.
He only seeks power.

 

[Shinato]

Madara's ideal of peace is a world where he controls every little thing. If someone controls everything, and if everything is perfect then humanity loses its reason to exist. In a world where there are no dreams, there aren't any reasons to live. Obito lived only for his plan, and when that was finished he would have lost all reason to be alive. True peace and meaning cannot be achieved through forcing it, it can only be achieved by seeing the good and the bad things of the world and accepting both of them.

 

[Shinato]

A genjutsu that will bring whatever you wish, thats what Madara says. (actually what he made Obito believe)

Do people even believe in someone like Madara?

He've beeing manipulating and cheating everyone even after his death.
He only seeks power.

Madara hasn't really lied, he told Obito everything he planned and how he planned to do it. What part did Madara lie about? Madara told Obito how he obtained the Rinnegan, how he planned on coming back to life and how he planned to bring peace. He even told Obito about his past and how he survived for so long. No matter how you see it, Madara isn't the type to lie.

 

[Uzumakisan]

Madara hasn't really lied, he told Obito everything he planned and how he planned to do it. What part did Madara lie about? Madara told Obito how he obtained the Rinnegan, how he planned on coming back to life and how he planned to bring peace. He even told Obito about his past and how he survived for so long. No matter how you see it, Madara isn't the type to lie.

Like Obito teoretically told everything to Nagato, or to Sasuke?
Madara betrayed Obito to revive himself, he didn't give a sh*t about Obito, and when he saw that Obito survived he tried again to convince Obito hiting his weak point, Obito's emotions.
No one knows Madara true intentions, and the new explanations from the Sage are starting to prove that.

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

Good intentions don't make you a good person.. you're judged by your actions not by your intentions.

 

[Shinato]

Like Obito teoretically told everything to Nagato, or to Sasuke?
Madara betrayed Obito to revive himself, he didn't give a sh*t about Obito, and when he saw that Obito survived he tried again to convince Obito hiting his weak point, Obito's emotions.
No one knows Madara true intentions, and the new explanations from the Sage are starting to prove that.

True, Madara used people and he betrayed Obito. But he never lied, not even once and he has dreamt of peace ever since he was a little kid. No one is capable of lying like that from when they were little kids, not even Madara.

 

[Uzumakisan]

True, Madara used people and he betrayed Obito. But he never lied, not even once and he has dreamt of peace ever since he was a little kid. No one is capable of lying like that from when they were little kids, not even Madara.

From the time we followed Obito he was not lying either (and he and Pain also seek peace)
Madara actions only shows that he is not reliable.

And for a question of "surprise factor", Kishi could be hiding his intentions like he did when Madara tried to kill Obito.

 

[The 1 who knows]

I asked the question because what he told hashi came to pass....his way is the way to true peace although it will force everyone to be under gengetsu.