[Discussion] Doflamingo vs Ace

[North Kai]

both all out, flat grassy field, clear day with some clouds, 20m

 

[BlueSky Garrett]

Doflamingo has conqueror's haki, he would drop ace without looking at him.

 

[Hexuze]

Doflamingo mid-diff. maybe even low.

 

[Olorin]

Doflamingo has conqueror's haki, he would drop ace without looking at him.

well, first of all Ace has it too

second, I think Ace was quite close to Admiral level, though not there yet because he died too young, as far as we know his fruit is superior to Dofy's and I'm positive he had the other 2 types of Haki.

I have no idea whether the strings can be burnt so let's not get into that. But Ace was the second commander of the WB pirates and I actually think at this point ppl underrate him because in general ppl think he has too many fans. But Ace did kick some ass at MF and that was after he had been chained up by seastone floors below sea-level for a LONG time. He clashed with Aokiji ... He only lost to Akainu who was teh WORST possible match for Ace (think of it as fighting an ice-cube by putting it in a fridge as opposed to just leaving it on the table). He was the son of Roger and WB had very high hopes for him. Lastly he put up a very good fight against Teach even though the latter could scar Shanks and his power merited Shanks warning WB. Teach was extremely strong pre-gura and by the context we were given we can kinda assume he has the strongest fruit. After he got the Gura Gura he could actually stand against Sengoku and Garp with his crew for a short period of time even though he was a total noob in the Gura.

I do think that Ace could be superior to Dofy.

I'm sure many ppl think of Dofy as a big-shot of the OPV, and he ofc is one but because Ace is primarily Luffy's brother maybe some don't think that he was actually a big-shot as well, he had the biggest bounty to date WITHOUT being the captain or even second after the captain, he had an OP logia, was the 2nd commander of the WB Pirates, son of Roger, he was leagues and leagues superior to Luffy, ...

 

[BlueSky Garrett]

well, first of all Ace has it too

second, I think Ace was quite close to Admiral level, though not there yet because he died too young, as far as we know his fruit is superior to Dofy's and I'm positive he had the other 2 types of Haki.

I have no idea whether the strings can be burnt so let's not get into that. But Ace was the second commander of the WB pirates and I actually think at this point ppl underrate him because in general ppl think he has too many fans. But Ace did kick some ass at MF and that was after he had been chained up by seastone floors below sea-level for a LONG time. He clashed with Aokiji ... He only lost to Akainu who was teh WORST possible match for Ace (think of it as fighting an ice-cube by putting it in a fridge as opposed to just leaving it on the table). He was the son of Roger and WB had very high hopes for him. Lastly he put up a very good fight against Teach even though the latter could scar Shanks and his power merited Shanks warning WB. Teach was extremely strong pre-gura and by the context we were given we can kinda assume he has the strongest fruit. After he got the Gura Gura he could actually stand against Sengoku and Garp with his crew for a short period of time even though he was a total noob in the Gura.

I do think that Ace could be superior to Dofy.

I'm sure many ppl think of Dofy as a big-shot of the OPV, and he ofc is one but because Ace is primarily Luffy's brother maybe some don't think that he was actually a big-shot as well, he had the biggest bounty to date WITHOUT being the captain or even second after the captain, he had an OP logia, was the 2nd commander of the WB Pirates, son of Roger, he was leagues and leagues superior to Luffy, ...

That's all good and true, but the reason Ace lost to Akainu, is not his fire being weaker than magma, all logias are equal, it's because Akainu used haki to kill him.
Doflamingo has Conqueror's Haki aka the strongest type of haki, even though Ace's fire fruit is more versatile and stronger than Doflamingo's, he can't possibly do much against someone with conqueror's haki.

 

[Hexuze]

well, first of all Ace has it too

second, I think Ace was quite close to Admiral level, though not there yet because he died too young, as far as we know his fruit is superior to Dofy's and I'm positive he had the other 2 types of Haki.

I have no idea whether the strings can be burnt so let's not get into that. But Ace was the second commander of the WB pirates and I actually think at this point ppl underrate him because in general ppl think he has too many fans. But Ace did kick some ass at MF and that was after he had been chained up by seastone floors below sea-level for a LONG time. He clashed with Aokiji ... He only lost to Akainu who was teh WORST possible match for Ace (think of it as fighting an ice-cube by putting it in a fridge as opposed to just leaving it on the table). He was the son of Roger and WB had very high hopes for him. Lastly he put up a very good fight against Teach even though the latter could scar Shanks and his power merited Shanks warning WB. Teach was extremely strong pre-gura and by the context we were given we can kinda assume he has the strongest fruit. After he got the Gura Gura he could actually stand against Sengoku and Garp with his crew for a short period of time even though he was a total noob in the Gura.

I do think that Ace could be superior to Dofy.

I'm sure many ppl think of Dofy as a big-shot of the OPV, and he ofc is one but because Ace is primarily Luffy's brother maybe some don't think that he was actually a big-shot as well, he had the biggest bounty to date WITHOUT being the captain or even second after the captain, he had an OP logia, was the 2nd commander of the WB Pirates, son of Roger, he was leagues and leagues superior to Luffy, ...

Ace has it but it's not confirmed if he had control over it. I'm assuming he doesn't as he was searching for BB. Ace being a second commander is also irrelevant to this fight as Oda said that division number does not indicate strength either. He may be stronger than the rest or weaker.

No one is sure what king's haki can do as of right now. We've seen it put out the fire at the terminal for a short period of time so possibly Doflamingo can do that as well. I still say Doflamingo wins but it's kind of unfair for Ace as he did die at a really young age plus he wasn't training during the time we've seen him, he was just after BB. Yeah he was superior to pre-TS Luffy but not post-TS Luffy.

 

[Olorin]

That's all good and true, but the reason Ace lost to Akainu, is not his fire being weaker than magma, all logias are equal, it's because Akainu used haki to kill him.
Doflamingo has Conqueror's Haki aka the strongest type of haki, even though Ace's fire fruit is more versatile and stronger than Doflamingo's, he can't possibly do much against someone with conqueror's haki.

did you not read that Ace had it too? XD

and Akainu's fruit is a bad matchup for Ace because it completely nullifies Ace's fruit, as I said trying to inflict damage to magma with fire is like fighting an ice-cube by putting in in the fridge

and I already said that an Admiral is superior to Ace, and that includes Haki, and NO not all logias are equal

 

[shon93]

I honestly think Ace would smash him. That disadvantage is too much for Doffy to overcome

 

[Olorin]

@BlueSky Garrett

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but to Akainu that does absolutely nothing, because no matter how much fire you add to the magama it just keeps it hotter, it would do more damage to magam to just let it cool on the air as opposed to fueling it further with fire, that's what I mean with the ice-cube and fridge, Ace's fruit would be more damaging against a water logia, at least that can evaporate

 

[XR999]

I would go for ace. He fought toe to toe with jimbe n blackbread.

 

[Hexuze]

I would go for ace. He fought toe to toe with jimbe n blackbread.

Doflamingo fodderized both Sanji and Smoker (sure Smoker wasn't that prepared but even if he was he would still lose). I think this match-up is some what unfair but if it was pre-TS fight then I would say Ace.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Doflamingo, extreme diff.

 

[Pirate King]

It's just sad we never really saw him go all out except right before he died

So it's hard to say who he's weaker or stronger than

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

Doffy low-med diff

 

[Maly]

Doffy got this. mid-diff

 

[Gaara Of The Death]

Ace is getting underestimated here badly. Ace very-high dif.​

 

[crono0929]

Ace takes this.

people keep forgetting that he also was not 100% at marineford.

beaten up and tortured at impel down too.

Doflamingo will get roflstomped by luffy in the current arc.

 

[Fireplay]

Hard to say. Ace lacks in showings and feats since he died too early. Luffy is supposed to beat Mingo so if current Luffy can pull it off so can Ace. Not to mention the ridiculous hype he had...

Became WB's 2nd division commander at a young Age (dude was about18 at the time)
Was supposed to become the next Pirate King (WB's goal was to make Ace PK)
Excelled in New World
Awakened Kings Haki at the age of 10
Drum Island completely stopped snowing the day Ace walked through it
Clashed with Aokiji and even melted his ice
Fought Jinbe for 5 days and they eventually collapsed but when WB arrived Ace got right back up to fight WB (Mind you, Ace was only 17 back then)
Ace was considered a super rookie
He was invited to become a shichibukai but declined

I think Ace takes DD high-diff.

Theres also the fact that Ace fought Aokiji whereas Dofla refused to fight him (then again Ace wasn't too bright lol)


And to those saying that Ace didn't have Haki...

1. why would he challenge Akainu and Aokiji (both Logia) if he knew he couldn't hit them?
2. He went after BB who is a logia. Ace didn't know that BB can't go intangible so why would he go after him?
3. Ace tried ti kill WB over 100 times when he first joined and WB always one punched Ace. Don't you think Ace would be like "how did you hit me im logia?" and WB wanted to make Ace PK so he would naturally teach him Haki so that he can survive in the NW
4. Ace is a NW veteran and Haki is a must in the NW

We know what Ace is like, he never backs down and in NW he's bound to meet logia users. He doesn't run so if he didn't have Haki he would've already died before MF.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

ace relies on his DF and fire punches. doffy is agile, fast and can slice off limbs with a finger twitch. here i guess its useless on a logia so doffy simply goes in for physical haki'd punches. his legs withstood hits from sanji handily enough. but ace fought jinbe for 5 days so hes at least as fast and strong as land jinbe.
the majority of ace's hype came IMO from his overpowered DF and who his father is.
i like ace more than flamingo but i just see him in another tier to ace.
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That's all good and true, but the reason Ace lost to Akainu, is not his fire being weaker than magma, all logias are equal, it's because Akainu used haki to kill him.

i thought it was because ace solidified so the magma punch wouldnt slip through him and kill luffy

I would go for ace. He fought toe to toe with jimbe n blackbread.

doflamingo stomped jozu, sanji, smoker and moria

 

[ReverseZero12]

Without thinking about it too much, Doffy takes this with mild difficulty. Ace has not shown anything that is on doffy's level.