The whole itachi vs Obito debate

[VongolaX]

Yet dodging the state made for Izanagi users your assuming he won't get caught

if that was the case why hadn't obito realized Shisui eye inside naruto the after period were Itachi gave it to him?

When you have intel and access to Uchiha kinjustu, why would he get caught?

If Obito uses inzangi carelessly, we did he only use it once throughout the series?

Uchiha kinjustu, Six path Justus, and Yin yang release...

Itachi can't handle those techniques.

Also, how is Obito suppose to sens shuishui's eyes inside somebody?

 

[VongolaX]

He said MS Obito not MS obito with spiral zetsu powers, no senju cells, no rinnegan obito, no moukton, no six path jutsu, and no gedo.

Ms Obito doesn't exist without Senju DNA, so there is mokuton, six path Justu, yin yang release, and Gedo mazou.

 

[Enki420]

Ms Obito doesn't exist without Senju DNA, so there is mokuton, six path Justu, yin yang release, and Gedo mazou.

The creator of the thread said regular MS obito, which i assume would mean obitos natural MS powers. The only time he uses wood before the 4th ninja war(pre rinnegan and Jinchūriki) was when wearing spiral zetsu. Is it even something he can do without wearing spiral zetsu or having rinnegan? If he could use wood techniques he could have easily broken that giant boulder(something even yamato has been shown to easily do [and im sure we can all agree Yamato's wood techniques<Obito wearing spiral zetsu wood techniques]), and left madara's cave and gone back to the leaf and have Rin heal him instead of staying in that cave dreaming of getting back to Rin. also dont you need rinnegan to use the gedo and yin yang release? Obito needed more than MS(all the bijuu) to use sage of six path mode. Obito still beats him without them anyways.

 

[UchiGod Itachi]

When you have intel and access to Uchiha kinjustu, why would he get caught?

If Obito uses inzangi carelessly, we did he only use it once throughout the series?

Uchiha kinjustu, Six path Justus, and Yin yang release...

Itachi can't handle those techniques.

Also, how is Obito suppose to sens shuishui's eyes inside somebody?

From my understanding wasn't Itachi even able to hide it inside of a shadow clones body ? The eye doesn't need to be revealed to be used or seen as danzo was able to use it on mifune without revealing it at all.

 

[Flawž]

MS obito > Itachi low-Mid Diff.

 

[Strict]

Uchiha kinjustu, Six path Justus, and Yin yang release...

Again, we talk about MS Obito.. there is no Six Paths Jutsu without Rinnegan, there is no Yin Yang Release for him, neither Gedo Mazo. The only Uchiha Kinjutsu he showed is Uchiha Kaenjin.

The techniques Obito has access to is Kamui, his level of Mokuton and the huge Katon. The Mokuton is evaded by Itachi, against the huge Katon protected by the Yata mirror, which can be used by an incomplete Susanoo.

As long as Obito is intangible, none of Itachi's attacks works, but neither Obito can land a hit. Gai, Kakashi and Naruto couldn't land a blow, yet none of them received a blow from Obito.

This is what could happen if someone tricks Obito's Kamui:

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If Konan can trick him with paper bombs, Itachi can do it as well with his explosive Kagebunshin. At this point, the explosion of his Bunshin possesses even more momentum and speed. Such a maneuver is not a sorcery for someone with Itachi's level of intelligence and the tactics and feints of him involved.

There is no reason to argue with Itachi's lack of stamina, as you are under the false assumption that Itachi would spamm his Mangekyo technique, what makes no sense as Itachi knows it would be ineffective. Knowing about Obito' intangibility, he would quickly develop tactics.

 

[EKSITE]

I'm giving this to Itachi in the road to ninja movie that kishimoto wrote obito ran when Itachi challenged him , I don't know he guy been looking and running scared of this guy for a couple of years now.

 

[VongolaX]

From my understanding wasn't Itachi even able to hide it inside of a shadow clones body ? The eye doesn't need to be revealed to be used or seen as danzo was able to use it on mifune without revealing it at all.

That wasn't a shadow clone, that was the real kcm naruto.

Otherwise Nagato's Human path was all in vain.

Mifune can't see chakra, only doujustu users can.

A Byukagan user was able to see Danzo chakra over Mifune.

So KA won't work in this case, especially against Obito.

 

[Strict]

A Byukagan user was able to see Danzo chakra over Mifune.

So KA won't work in this case, especially against Obito.

Again, your opinion holds no weight. Kotoamatsukami worked on Itachi, who was a MS user and against Konoha, as he was under the command of Edo Tensei. Itachi intended to control Sasuke with it as well. At the point where it was stated, that Kotoamatsukami controls the victim without him noticing, there no reason to believe otherwise. The Doujutsu can see Chakra and that a Genjutsu is cast, but that does not help if you are the one under the Genjutsu. Can we stop with that ignorance now? Kotoamatsukami works on everyone against which it is cast.

Danzo intended to use Kotoamatsukami against Obito after all, despite he knew that Obito has the Sharingan and can see Chakra. So what are you arguing now?

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Again, your opinion holds no weight. Kotoamatsukami worked on Itachi, who was a MS user and against Konoha, as he was under the command of Edo Tensei. Itachi intended to control Sasuke with it as well. At the point where it was stated, that Kotoamatsukami controls the victim without him noticing, there no reason to believe otherwise. The Doujutsu can see Chakra and that a Genjutsu is cast, but that does not help if you are the one under the Genjutsu. Can we stop with that ignorance now? Kotoamatsukami works on everyone against which it is cast.

Danzo intended to use Kotoamatsukami against Obito after all, despite he knew that Obito has the Sharingan and can see Chakra. So what are you arguing now?

This pretty much. Being a Perfect Jinchuriki is the only decent counter to Kotoamtsukami.​

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[VongolaX]

The creator of the thread said regular MS obito, which i assume would mean obitos natural MS powers. The only time he uses wood before the 4th ninja war(pre rinnegan and Jinchūriki) was when wearing spiral zetsu. Is it even something he can do without wearing spiral zetsu or having rinnegan? If he could use wood techniques he could have easily broken that giant boulder(something even yamato has been shown to easily do [and im sure we can all agree Yamato's wood techniques<Obito wearing spiral zetsu wood techniques]), and left madara's cave and gone back to the leaf and have Rin heal him instead of staying in that cave dreaming of getting back to Rin. also dont you need rinnegan to use the gedo and yin yang release? Obito needed more than MS(all the bijuu) to use sage of six path mode. Obito still beats him without them anyways.

Already here you go, I'm suprise you don't know this by now...

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He can use mokuton without the spiral zetsu here^^

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When he wants to kill someone (not capture)with mokuton he can use wood cutter.^^
Spiral Zetsu stated it was all him.

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You can use Gedo mazou, Six path justus, Uchiha kinjustu, and Inyouton (yin yang release) without the rinnegan
Old Madara done it and he taught Obito without the rinnegan^^

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In fact, here is "MS Obito," using Gedo Mazou right now, no rinnegan and no nagato pain either.

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MS Obito is referred to Obito that left Madara's cave.^^

Omyoudon is a technique of Inyouton(translation yin yang release), Obito aborbed some sennin chakra to use Omyoudon against Madara.

So there is more yin yang techniques that Obito knows himself, Inzanagi is just one of them

 

[UchiGod Itachi]

That wasn't a shadow clone, that was the real kcm naruto.

Otherwise Nagato's Human path was all in vain.

Mifune can't see chakra, only doujustu users can.

A Byukagan user was able to see Danzo chakra over Mifune.

So KA won't work in this case, especially against Obito.

I'm talking about Itachi right here when Itachi gave the eye to Naruto it was in Itachi Shadow Clone body he moved it there at the time.

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If that was the case like you were saying in 3 different times Obito meet Naruto after Itachi gave him the Shisui eye he did not one time release he had it.

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The Byukagan has a better view at seeing chakra then the sharingan, seeing chakra flow doesn't guarantee a hundred percent to let you know what move your opponent is going to use or how there going to utilize it.

Obito body is made of Hashirama cell but yet even when is sharingan was activated he failed to see that danzo had Hashirama cells also.

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[VongolaX]

]Again, we talk about MS Obito.. there is no Six Paths Jutsu without Rinnegan, there is no Yin Yang Release for him, neither Gedo Mazo. The only Uchiha Kinjutsu he showed is Uchiha Kaenjin. [/B]

The techniques Obito has access to is Kamui, his level of Mokuton and the huge Katon. The Mokuton is evaded by Itachi, against the huge Katon protected by the Yata mirror, which can be used by an incomplete Susanoo.

As long as Obito is intangible, none of Itachi's attacks works, but neither Obito can land a hit. Gai, Kakashi and Naruto couldn't land a blow, yet none of them received a blow from Obito.

This is what could happen if someone tricks Obito's Kamui:

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If Konan can trick him with paper bombs, Itachi can do it as well with his explosive Kagebunshin. At this point, the explosion of his Bunshin possesses even more momentum and speed. Such a maneuver is not a sorcery for someone with Itachi's level of intelligence and the tactics and feints of him involved.

There is no reason to argue with Itachi's lack of stamina, as you are under the false assumption that Itachi would spamm his Mangekyo technique, what makes no sense as Itachi knows it would be ineffective. Knowing about Obito' intangibility, he would quickly develop tactics.

I shouldn't have to repeat myself

read scans above

Obito wouldn't be ruling Akatsuki's and villages if the only thing he had was kamui

 

[VongolaX]

I'm talking about Itachi right here when Itachi gave the eye to Naruto it was in Itachi Shadow Clone body he moved it there at the time.

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If that was the case like you were saying in 3 different times Obito meet Naruto after Itachi gave him the Shisui eye he did not one time release he had it.

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The Byukagan has a better view at seeing chakra then the sharingan, seeing chakra flow doesn't guarantee a hundred percent to let you know what move your opponent is going to use or how there going to utilize it.

Obito body is made of Hashirama cell but yet even when is sharingan was activated he failed to see that danzo had Hashirama cells also.

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1) Like I posted before, it is inside the body.

Nobody saw or sense what was inside naruto's body.

Not Nagato, kakashi didn't see it, even neji didn't see it either after defeating pain.

So i don't see the point of thhis?

Also, Obito didn't have his sharingan activated during the time Danzo used mokuton.

Posting that a sharingan can't see chakra or singly out Obito is sad on your part because this happened:

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He is able to see chakra down to the very cell of any individual.

 

[Strict]

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Can't fight this ignorance. It's like talking to a brick wall. I explain with things that were said and shown in the Manga, why you are wrong and you repeat yourself.

 

[UchiGod Itachi]

1) Like I posted before, it is inside the body.

Nobody saw or sense what was inside naruto's body.

Not Nagato, kakashi didn't see it, even neji didn't see it either after defeating pain.

So i don't see the point of thhis?

Also, Obito didn't have his sharingan activated during the time Danzo used mokuton.

Posting that a sharingan can't see chakra or singly out Obito is sad on your part because this happened:

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He is able to see chakra down to the very cell of any individual.

Like ive stated you posted a scan exactly what im talking about Byukagan has a better view at seeing chakra then the sharingan, seeing chakra flow doesn't guarantee a hundred percent to let you know what move your opponent is going to use or how there going to utilize it.

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Obito "I see ... He releases chakra into the enemy's body, which attacks the individual cells"

Obito "No... That's not chakra. Those are nano-sized Poisonous insects..."

Like i've stated before your not 100% percent guarantee to see whats going on how techinques are utilized even seeing with a Doujustu , Obito misread a technique even if it was for just a second with 3 tomoe activated.

 

[VongolaX]

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Can't fight this ignorance. It's like talking to a brick wall. I explain with things that were said and shown in the Manga, why you are wrong and you repeat yourself.

Looks like this bimbo refuses to read:

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You're whole evading Kamui nonsense doesn't work either.

If I even attempt to put any effort into your little comeback, you'll cry.

I know the in's and out's of the 4 main Uchiha's in this series, don't question my knowledge about them.

That scan suits you perfectly...

 

[EKSITE]

Looks like this bimbo refuses to read:

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You're whole evading Kamui nonsense doesn't work either.

If I even attempt to put any effort into your little comeback, you'll cry.

I know the in's and out's of the 4 main Uchiha's in this series, don't question my knowledge about them.

That scan suits you perfectly...

So your saying he Obito can use the six justu of the path without the rinnengan ?

 

[VongolaX]

Like ive stated you posted a scan exactly what im talking about Byukagan has a better view at seeing chakra then the sharingan, seeing chakra flow doesn't guarantee a hundred percent to let you know what move your opponent is going to use or how there going to utilize it.

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Obito "I see ... He releases chakra into the enemy's body, which attacks the individual cells"

Obito "No... That's not chakra. Those are nano-sized Poisonous insects..."

Like i've stated before your not 100% percent guarantee to see whats going on how techinques are utilized even seeing with a Doujustu , Obito misread a technique even if it was for just a second with 3 tomoe activated.

No, the byukagan has the ability to see the insides of someone's chkara and what/where the chakra is being release from inside the body.

Any doujustu user can see chakra:

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[Strict]

Looks like someone is butthurt, hehe.

Madara taught this techniques to Obito, yet he can't just use them without the necessary Doujutsu. He taught him the techniques of the six paths theoretically, so he can use them once he obtained the Rinnegan. Hence Obito talked about the Rinnegan's true power in front of Nagato, as he knew the power, but of course couldn't use them without an own Rinnegan.

99% of Obito's fighting style is based on Kamui, he randomly used some average Mokuton or Katon. In a vs Thread, we can only judge by what the characters displayed at given state, you talk about Uchiha Kinjutsu or Yin-Yang release while you couldn't tell a single Jutsu from that category which Obito could use.