I'm arguing with my friend, Naruto VS Luffy. Need mediators.

[TheCCV]

Alright so stick around in this thread because I'll keep updating it with a new post as our argument goes on and we reach a disagreement. You guys, Narutobase, will be our mediators in this debate and tell us who's right and wrong in our arguments. So please don't get sidetracked and ignore my posts because I'll really really need your responses asap.

So we just reached a disagreement. He's trying to tell me 1 of Kuramas TBB can destroy a village, I'm telling him no it can only destroy a mountain. The proof he's using to support that it can destroy a village is 'when his TBB collided with the other TBB's during the show off with BM for the first time, the explosion it made was big enough to create that entire arena which was bigger than villages.' I'm trying to tell him, 'no that's not true, because you can't take an explosion made from a collision and claim that as being 1 individuals power when it was theirs mixed.'

So, whos right?

 

[NarutoB]

These threads aren't allowed. Kishimoto and Oda continue to make money, not caring who would win. I still get rachet *****es twerking for me by the dozen. Life goes on

 

[Gein]

What does that have to do with Naruto vs Luffy? Power scaling?
And I'm pretty sure TBB can destroy a village

 

[UltimateHawk]

I guess your friend is right.
Kurama TBB >1 Village

 

[Flakez]

Senjutsu enhanced TBB can do it, yes.

 

[TheCCV]

We've reached another disagreement. Setting up this argument for the beginning, I'm trying to set it up so it's Base Naruto (no forms) vs Base Luffy (no gears)

He's trying to say, 'so luffy doesn't have any stretchy powers, since that's base luffy' (he's getting over technical) and I'm saying, no he still has it.

So is base Luffy considered Luffy with no stretchy powers, or luffy with no gears?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Well, your reasoning is more sound to be sure. Although I disagree for my own reasons. Just because the flash is the size of a mountain doesn't mean the explosion itself only effects as far as a mountain. For instance, the shock wave would probably destroy a village.


I agree with your friend that a TBB can destroy a village, but he does not prove his case well at all, and you make the better case.

We've reached another disagreement. Setting up this argument for the beginning, I'm trying to set it up so it's Base Naruto (no forms) vs Base Luffy (no gears)

He's trying to say, 'so luffy doesn't have any stretchy powers, since that's base luffy' (he's getting over technical) and I'm saying, no he still has it.

So is base Luffy considered Luffy with no stretchy powers, or luffy with no gears?

False, Luff with no stretchy powers is like saying base Naruto=no clones.


P.S. Are you pulling our legs?

 

[TheCCV]

and yes is not a proper response to 'who's right'.

But I assume you're saying, he's right.

 

[TheCCV]

Well, your reasoning is more sound to be sure. Although I disagree for my own reasons. Just because the flash is the size of a mountain doesn't mean the explosion itself only effects as far as a mountain. For instance, the shock wave would probably destroy a village.


I agree with your friend that a TBB can destroy a village, but he does not prove his case well at all, and you make the better case.






False, Luff with no stretchy powers is like saying base Naruto=no clones.


P.S. Are you pulling our legs?

thank you

and no im being VERY serious its a freezing hell arguing with this guy

 

[Sennin of Logic]

and yes is not a proper response to 'who's right'.

But I assume you're saying, he's right.

That's my opinion, but it's for completely different reasons than his. You definitely won the argument, but I'm just adding my 2 cents. (Edited my above post for your second disagreement.

 

[New knight48]

Well I think Naruto will outspeed him and have more firepower with tbb. It depends on Luffy's haki and how it measures up to Naruto's power. Otherwise I think Naruto takes this

 

[iNotorious]

Senjutsu enhanced TBB can do it, yes.

This right here.

 

[Gein]

We've reached another disagreement. Setting up this argument for the beginning, I'm trying to set it up so it's Base Naruto (no forms) vs Base Luffy (no gears)

He's trying to say, 'so luffy doesn't have any stretchy powers, since that's base luffy' (he's getting over technical) and I'm saying, no he still has it.

So is base Luffy considered Luffy with no stretchy powers, or luffy with no gears?

Stretchy Luffy is base Luffy.
He doesn't need to transform to obtain it. He doesn't need to "power up"
Its constantly available to use even when not using it.
Thats been base ever since he ate the fruit.

 

[TheCCV]

So we've reached another disagreement.

I'm arguing base Luffy (no gears or stretchy powers) is faster than base Naruto (no clones)

MY argument is Luffy can run faster than plenty or regular humans with no devil fruit who are faster than Naruto. So that basically proves Luffy being faster.

HE says show me an example, I say okay.

I'm about to say 'Sanji' whos faster than Naruto plenty, and who Luffy is faster than. He says 'no you cant use that because he trained'. I'm like, what the hell? yes I can, Naruto trained wtf. He's saying 'no but he trained, you can't use him as an example.' And then he goes further to say 'you can't take that guy whos a human but trained to be faster than somebody whos faster than a normal human. SO youre saying like usopp is fast as sanji'? And I'm like 'what the hell no' and he says 'well okay then'.

So who is right? Can I use Sanji as an example as being faster than Naruto and Luffy is faster than him, or can I not use him as an example 'because he trained'?

 

[TheCCV]

and thank you guys for your help, I greatly appreciate this!

 

[Sennin of Logic]

So we've reached another disagreement.

I'm arguing base Luffy (no gears or stretchy powers) is faster than base Naruto (no clones)

MY argument is Luffy can run faster than plenty or regular humans with no devil fruit who are faster than Naruto. So that basically proves Luffy being faster.

HE says show me an example, I say okay.

I'm about to say 'Sanji' whos faster than Naruto plenty, and who Luffy is faster than. He says 'no you cant use that because he trained'. I'm like, what the hell? yes I can, Naruto trained wtf. He's saying 'no but he trained, you can't use him as an example.' And then he goes further to say 'you can't take that guy whos a human but trained to be faster than somebody whos faster than a normal human. SO youre saying like usopp is fast as sanji'? And I'm like 'what the hell no' and he says 'well okay then'.

So who is right? Can I use Sanji as an example as being faster than Naruto and Luffy is faster than him, or can I not use him as an example 'because he trained'?

Why no training? That makes no sense.


Dunno about the conclusion about speed. It's very subjective. I've seen One Piece, and to be honest, I don't think they're faster than Naruto characters. Allow me to explain what speed Luffy's up against.(my argument)


Kakashi was fast enough to cut a lightning bolt in half with lighting blade. Lightning travels at 286 times the speed of sound. Now, keeping in mind, take a look at these scans.

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Pain dodged lightning blade not once, but twice despite Kakashi's speed. When Pain fought base Naruto, Naruto was by no means overwhelmed. So this is a huge sign that even in base, Naruto's very fast. I doubt Luffy could blitz him at least.



Anyway, are you sure your friend's not trolling you?

 

[KingAaronXII]

So we've reached another disagreement.

I'm arguing base Luffy (no gears or stretchy powers) is faster than base Naruto (no clones)

MY argument is Luffy can run faster than plenty or regular humans with no devil fruit who are faster than Naruto. So that basically proves Luffy being faster.

HE says show me an example, I say okay.

I'm about to say 'Sanji' whos faster than Naruto plenty, and who Luffy is faster than. He says 'no you cant use that because he trained'. I'm like, what the hell? yes I can, Naruto trained wtf. He's saying 'no but he trained, you can't use him as an example.' And then he goes further to say 'you can't take that guy whos a human but trained to be faster than somebody whos faster than a normal human. SO youre saying like usopp is fast as sanji'? And I'm like 'what the hell no' and he says 'well okay then'.

So who is right? Can I use Sanji as an example as being faster than Naruto and Luffy is faster than him, or can I not use him as an example 'because he trained'?

Speel? Well, Luffy dodged Pacifist Light ray attacks, Idk how fast that is, so I'll go with about even.

 

[leagen]

i am sorry but i don't see how this is naruto vs luffy
and yeah a TBB can destroy a village

 

[7th Biggest OP Fan]

Well BSM Narudo >>>> Current Luffy atm. BM Naruto >> Current Luffy atm. SM Naruto <<<< Current Luffy. SM Naruto >= Pre Time Skip Luffy (this fight depends on how well Luffy can stand up to FRS). Any other variation Luffy stomps.

That includes Luffy with no DF vs Naruto Base(no sage mode or help from Kurama)

Way back in East Blue Luffy was fighting people who could lift up a 2 ton spear. Before he left on his journey, he punched a 5000 m sea king. Luffy's physical strength is way beyond anything Naruto can do. Sure he did that with his DF, but all his attacks are based on his physical strength. Basically without his DF, he loses his range, and blunt force resistance. It isn't that much of a loss.


Now back to your op topic. Yes, TBB is insanely powerful and can level mountains and towns. The thing is, the TBB depends on how much energy you put into it. The more you charge it, the more powerful it becomes.

Now the TBB has been done many times, and has had different results used every time. It doesn't matter though. If Luffy gets hit by one, and isn't able to reflect it with Gomu Gomu No Balloon, he is done. Luffy has not shown feats of being able to withstand such an attack. Also, Luffy's strongest attack (Giant Gatling Gun) isn't able to take down Naruto. Naruto with Kuubi cloak was able to take a hit from the Juubi. It was the Juubi's beam attack too which was able to level a mountain range. So basically Naruto has more durability and destructive capability then Luffy. That is why Luffy loses at this point in time. The Only hope for Luffy is using CoO to dodge all of Naruto's attacks and wait out the 8 min time frame before he could even hurt Naruto.

 

[maniaoqan]

Rasen shuriken will rip out that plastic doll.