Kishi contradicted himself in Madara and Hashirama as successors?

[WalksInShadows]

This^^^^^^^^

i for one second that.

 

[Zol]

Keep in mind they aren't Indra and Ashura, only people which got their chakra and were transmigrants for some time. They are individual people, so, they don't have to be the exact same as the sons...

 

[Jɑégar]

Disagreed. There is no proof that Hashirama didn't train.

I know that, what am saying is that Hashirama was stronger.

well it's true ... dude you got Kishi!

Dat kishi

They aren't literal reincarnations of the same person, they don't take on every attribute of Indra or Ashura. This was confirmed by the sage when he said that Naruto was a bit different from the previous reincarnations.

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It would also seem that the person exists before the spirit of Ashura/ Indra attach themselves, since Ashura apparently selected Naruto as his reincarnation.

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I think it's the way you say.

 

[Jɑégar]

Indra- Good- Represented by the Uchiha who are shown as evil.

Ashura- Bad- Represented by the Senju who are shown as good.

As evil and good are subjective and change with the time, so does power and weakness keep on changing over time. The concepts are dynamic not static, Dattebayo!

Your rep. is perf. I think that's what he meant. just like what you and Gatsuuga said.

 

[Jɑégar]

Yo what anime is your sig from? Fight scene is dope af

OT: was thinking the same. Good catch.

I got it for ya

It's true that Hashirama was stronger than Madara. But even though they were the reincarnations of Ashura and Indra, that doesn't mean they should be of the same level or should be in the same order (in strength and power wise)
The important thing was that they still battled with each other for their whole lives over Peace.

On the other hand if the story was repeated it would be boring... also Indra and Ashura lived on a time completely different from Hashi and Madara... maybe Hashi was stronger than Madara as a result of Ashura's way of Ninja...he became strong with the help of friends and the next generations inherited this trait and passed it on to the next... Ashura was the first generation and his mistakes lead to Hashi's way of ninja...As for Indra, he might have dies clinging to his ideals in which with power you can achieve peace... that is why there is no progress in the way Madara acted...

I guess Kishi wanted to change and depicted both sons in different transmigrates and successors of different strengths. Dat Kishi

Someone please tell me wtf this dumbass is talking about

Madara has always been a prodigy and always has been the smarter out of the two

Killed who? Tobirama killed izuna u idiot

U assume ashura is dumb like naruto doesn't mean you're correct you assume hashirama didn't work hard doesn't mean you're correct

You know, You didn't have to curse, and I didn't mean Izuna by saying that Madara killed his relatives. Itachi said that Both Madara and Izuna killed their relatives (family members) to achieve the MS.
And no, Hashirama was stronger than Madara, until madara was defeated in his battle against Hashi. Madara then became superior as we can see in the Manga right now. I may agree with Madara being smarter than Hashirama.
I have never said that Hashirama didn't work. Check carefully. And I'm not Kishi, so not everything I say is correct.

 

[Ultimateone]

well first off they are not lteral reincarnations, the chakra just possesses them then leaves eventually. so they are still their own person, that is why the sage kept telling naruto he is so much like ashura because it may not be what he was use to. still hashirama being more powerful doesn't take away tha hashi more than likely trained a hell of a lot. hard work can out trump genius.

 

[Jɑégar]

well first off they are not lteral reincarnations, the chakra just possesses them then leaves eventually. so they are still their own person, that is why the sage kept telling naruto he is so much like ashura because it may not be what he was use to. still hashirama being more powerful doesn't take away tha hashi more than likely trained a hell of a lot. hard work can out trump genius.

I didn't actually mean that Hashirama didn't train at all. I just said that about Madara, knowing that Hashirama trains also, in order to make it clearer for you guyz.
Maybe thats why Hagoromo kept on saying you're different than Ashura, yet you remind me of him. Referring to Naruto ofcourse. =)

 

[Uzumakisan]

And Hashirama's power didn't made him selfish.
His conversations with Madara showed that their essence were the same as Ashura and Indra