Best Genjutsu User?

Who is the best Genjutsu User?

  • Madara

    Votes: 2 2.0%
  • Obito

    Votes: 6 5.9%
  • Itachi

    Votes: 56 55.4%
  • Sasuke

    Votes: 2 2.0%
  • Kakashi

    Votes: 2 2.0%
  • Shisui

    Votes: 30 29.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 3.0%

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shelke

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KA is inception. Although I agree that it shouldn't had been broken so easily, just like it shouldn't had worked so well on Itachi.

Ao said Danzo had Shisui's arm, he recognized the chakra.

What we're made aware of is that Sharingans drain more chakra from people that aren't Uchiha.

I may like to see that.

It was hyped to work this well. By comparison, I am sure you would agree that the difference is large.

Probably because of the Sharingans enhanced by Senju Dna. I already showed you the scan where Shisui has his arm.

Their techniques don't work at the same level as well.

It should be right after Sasuke stabs Danzo the last time, fooling him with Genjutsu.
 

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It has to be Shisui Uchiha ^o^

Itachi is a good Genjutsu user, but not as good as Shisui tho
 

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Again, you are not being clear.
1. Shisui's strong point is Koto Amatsukami, but what is Itachi's? Tsukiyomi, another MS jutsu.
2. If there is no "best" genjutsu user, then why are we discussing which of them is "better"?

Oh? Is that so? Then how is it that no other manipulation genjutsu has been compared to it?

Itachi didn't control Deidara, he tricked him, to which may I add made no sense. I understand the premise, that Itachi made him think he was shooting one thing when he was actually shooting another, but where it lacks sense is in that Deidara was actually pointing the gun at his own head when he thought he was pointing it forward. It should also be noted that Deidara was still a pre-teen.

What in the world are you talking about? We discussed what Itachi's strong point is. The fact that he can control many over distances ,and stay hidden from sensors, Something Shishui cannot do


As for the deidara situation, once again, you have no idea what you're talking about . Itachi controlled deidara to make him wrap himself in his own jutsu, while making him believe that everything was fine and dandy in the real world
It should be noted that when Deidara came out the genjutsu, he had no idea what happened or what was going on.


Kage level ninja? a Kage in most villages is simply the strongest ninja they have. Gaara as a teenager became a kage and Itachi would be able to play genjutsu games with teen gaara, considering his propensity for making eye contact with uchiha

Here, you are completely disregarding anyone else's ability to maintain control of a genjutsu over great ranges because they lack knowledge of the skills of others like Shisui

And now i'm convinced there's a reading comprehension problem, Otherwise you would see that(this is the second time i'm sying this), that statement was only meant to juxtapose Itachi and Shishui using a medium(AO) because he knew both of them and their abilities. Ao knowing down to shishui's chakra color. And he stated that Itachi is the only person he knows that could pull it off. As far as obito goes, He could very well be also able to do such a feat, but he hasn't showed it or given any hint to it, so untill then its speculation and a bolded Maybe. There is no argument for the case.
 

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Official english?
I think not
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No, in the japanese raw text

Someone who can use a genjutsu to
manipulate like this, while hidden at such a
range that they're undetectable by our
Sensor Division has to be someone of Itachi's
level
, but… To manipulate such a large
number of people at the same time over
such a vast range would be impossible, even
for Itachi!" (「オレ達 感知部隊からも感知されない距離に�� �れて幻術で操れるような奴はうちは� ��タチ
ぐらいだが…これだけの広範囲の各�� �所で大勢を細かく同時に操るのはイ� ��チでも無理だ!」, "Ore-tachi
Kanchi Butai kara mo kanchisarenai kyori ni
kakurete genjutsu de ayatsureru yō na yatsu wa
Uchiha Itachi gurai daga… Kore dake no kōhan'i no
kakubasho de ōzei o komakaku dōji ni ayatsuru no
wa Itachi demo muri da!

Not exactly what i said earlier but close to it
 

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No, in the japanese raw text

Someone who can use a genjutsu to
manipulate like this, while hidden at such a
range that they're undetectable by our
Sensor Division has to be someone of Itachi's
level
, but… To manipulate such a large
number of people at the same time over
such a vast range would be impossible, even
for Itachi!" (「オレ達 感知部隊からも感知されない距離に�� �れて幻術で操れるような奴はうちは� ��タチ
ぐらいだが…これだけの広範囲の各�� �所で大勢を細かく同時に操るのはイ� ��チでも無理だ!」, "Ore-tachi
Kanchi Butai kara mo kanchisarenai kyori ni
kakurete genjutsu de ayatsureru yō na yatsu wa
Uchiha Itachi gurai daga… Kore dake no kōhan'i no
kakubasho de ōzei o komakaku dōji ni ayatsuru no
wa Itachi demo muri da!

Not exactly what i said earlier but close to it

Every raw japanese text still has to be translated, and the version of each translator will differ. There is no correct version

Though the only one labelled official is viz's, and even they make errors.
 

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Probably because of the Sharingans enhanced by Senju Dna. I already showed you the scan where Shisui has his arm.

Their techniques don't work at the same level as well.

It should be right after Sasuke stabs Danzo the last time, fooling him with Genjutsu.

And I showed you where Danzo did. What you showed me may had been an art error, since Kishimoto does make mistakes. Remember when Pein was wearing a Konoha headband? Also, when Hanzo took off his mask, the lines under his eyes disappeared.

I don't recall that being stated anywhere. But even then, the crow isn't an Uchiha either.

I'll dig it up some other time.


What in the world are you talking about? We discussed what Itachi's strong point is. The fact that he can control many over distances ,and stay hidden from sensors, Something Shishui cannot do


As for the deidara situation, once again, you have no idea what you're talking about . Itachi controlled deidara to make him wrap himself in his own jutsu, while making him believe that everything was fine and dandy in the real world
It should be noted that when Deidara came out the genjutsu, he had no idea what happened or what was going on.


Kage level ninja? a Kage in most villages is simply the strongest ninja they have. Gaara as a teenager became a kage and Itachi would be able to play genjutsu games with teen gaara, considering his propensity for making eye contact with uchiha



And now i'm convinced there's a reading comprehension problem, Otherwise you would see that(this is the second time i'm sying this), that statement was only meant to juxtapose Itachi and Shishui using a medium(AO) because he knew both of them and their abilities. Ao knowing down to shishui's chakra color. And he stated that Itachi is the only person he knows that could pull it off. As far as obito goes, He could very well be also able to do such a feat, but he hasn't showed it or given any hint to it, so untill then its speculation and a bolded Maybe. There is no argument for the case.

He can't control "many" over a distance, all that was confirmed is that he can maintain control over a distance. You cannot say no one else can do that as well. Shisui's strong point is Koto, Itachi's is Tsuki. We don't know what, if any, subtle little differences there are. An illusion is an illusion, seeing things that aren't there, an abstract concept altogether.

I know exactly what I'm talking about, it's you whom are clueless. Itachi made Deidara think that he was wrapping his clay around Itachi, but Itachi wasn't really there. However, the clay somehow appeared around Deidara. It wasn't Itachi controlling the clay, it was Deidara, Itachi tricked him but the trick didn't make sense.

And there are often very powerful ninja with fame under their belts. Oh yes, because every Uchiha has placed Gaara in a genjutsu, right? You are so full of it.

First of all Ao isn't an expert on anyone, and "as far as he knows" Itachi is an individual that comes to mind but doesn't make it explicitly exclusive to Itachi.
 
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And I showed you where Danzo did. What you showed me may had been an art error, since Kishimoto does make mistakes. Remember when Pein was wearing a Konoha headband? Also, when Hanzo took off his mask, the lines under his eyes disappeared.

I don't recall that being stated anywhere. But even then, the crow isn't an Uchiha either.

I'll dig it up some other time.



He can't control "many" over a distance, all that was confirmed is that he can maintain control over a distance. You cannot say no one else can do that as well. Shisui's strong point is Koto, Itachi's is Tsuki. We don't know what, if any, subtle little differences there are. An illusion is an illusion, seeing things that aren't there, an abstract concept altogether.

I know exactly what I'm talking about, it's you whom are clueless. Itachi made Deidara think that he was wrapping his clay around Itachi, but Itachi wasn't really there. However, the clay somehow appeared around Deidara. It wasn't Itachi controlling the clay, it was Deidara, Itachi tricked him but the trick didn't make sense.

And there are often very powerful ninja with fame under their belts. Oh yes, because every Uchiha has placed Gaara in a genjutsu, right? You are so full of it.

First of all Ao isn't an expert on anyone, and "as far as he knows" Itachi is an individual that comes to mind but doesn't make it explicitly exclusive to Itachi.

I reckon you need to read this scan over, a few more times till you actually understand it.
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Ao never said Itachi can't control many people. He said He can't control this many over wide scale areas simultaenously . Reading comprehension problem #1


I know exactly what I'm talking about, it's you whom are clueless.
I know exactly what I'm talking about
I know exactly what I'm talking about
I know exactly what I'm talking about

However, the clay somehow appeared around Deidara.
Itachi tricked him but the trick didn't make sense.

You have it all figured out my friend
Reading comprehension problem #2

itachi is an individual that comes to mind but doesn't make it explicitly exclusive to Itachi.
Except he stated that Itachi was the only person he knew ?
 

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And I showed you where Danzo did. What you showed me may had been an art error, since Kishimoto does make mistakes. Remember when Pein was wearing a Konoha headband? Also, when Hanzo took off his mask, the lines under his eyes disappeared.

I don't recall that being stated anywhere. But even then, the crow isn't an Uchiha either.

I'll dig it up some other time.

Yes, he does, but Shusui states that Danzo took his eye, but forgets to mention his entire arm? Doesn't seem plausible or reasonable.
 

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Every raw japanese text still has to be translated, and the version of each translator will differ. There is no correct version

Though the only one labelled official is viz's, and even they make errors.
The difference is that the raw translations come from natives when mangapanda/*********** are fanmade translations
 

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We don't even know Itachi's abilities as a kid, it's pointless to state things like "He was obviously very proficient thanks to Shisui". I'm sure that his best friend taught him a few things. But prior to knowing Shisui at the age of 8, he completely mastered the 3-tomoe sharingan and he got his MS after Shisui died. He probably saw Shisui cast some genjutsu and learned from that, but to go as far as to say that Itachi is only talented due to Shisui's influence is far off track.

Maintaining a genjutsu beyond the range of sensors is quite impressive, especially if you are the only shinobi who has existed w/ the ability to do so.

Yes. Ao was hyping up Obito when everyone thought he was Madara Uchiha. In all honesty, it's good for Obito, but it still doesn't count for much considering that at that moment in the manga, everyone was overhyping Obito because they thought he was someone else.

No, it does matter. If he wasn't on friendly terms with Yagura, then Isobu wouldn't care enough to break him out of Obito's genjutsu.

Anyone with MS can control the Kyuubi, that includes Itachi.

We don't know if Itachi can control kyuubi with his MS..it was never said in the manga he could..unless you could show me a scan..only obito and madara are capable of such
 

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...controlling Kurama...controlling that bug guy for an extended period of time...controlling a potential perfect Jinchuriki which are supposed to be immune to Genjutsu?

It's Itachi, followed by Obito for controlling a perfect Jink. Shisui just has one hax genjutsu.
Pretty Much this.
 
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