Bad match-up for Sasuke. SM sensing is the best in the Manga/Anime and can predict Amaterasu. If Sasuke tries to Amaterasu Naruto can just make a clone to block it. The summons are also another bad ordeal for Sasuke.
Bad match-up for Sasuke. SM sensing is the best in the Manga/Anime and can predict Amaterasu. If Sasuke tries to Amaterasu Naruto can just make a clone to block it. The summons are also another bad ordeal for Sasuke.
Bad match-up for Sasuke. SM sensing is the best in the Manga/Anime and can predict Amaterasu. If Sasuke tries to Amaterasu Naruto can just make a clone to block it. The summons are also another bad ordeal for Sasuke.
naruto will sense chakra build up in his eyes all of sasuke tech require that so thats a mute point amaterasu is way to fast for him to make a clone feint sasuke wins low diff
So basically take Naruto and Sasuke as they were at the bridge but make Sasuke fresh? So he'd have access to his V4 Susanoo so he'd take Naruto (Who was pretty much the same as Pain Arc Naruto as far as feats go) with mid difficulty.
amaterasu is one of the most overrated jutsu in this manga. against someone who has the sensing abilities as naruto in sage mode, it's all but useless as he can dodge it thanks to sensing where it comes and being fast enough to evade it. but which version of sage mode naruto are we talking about, pain arc or war arc. war arc naruto can make giant FRS and still stay in sage mode. naruto will be able to break through a MS version susano with FRS. after that it goes hand to hand and a mixure of other jutsu. but thanks to frog kata sasuke gets done in pretty quickly. mid-high diff.
The thread got taken down awhile back so it's not the complete version, it's missing like 2 sections.
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Shattered Bonds
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Stipulations of Battle:
Conditions:
Naruto starts off in Sage Mode
Naruto has two Kage Bunshin gathering chakra at Myōbokuzan
Naruto is in his Pain Arc Form
Sasuke is in the same state as when he fought Danzou
Intel:
Manga
Location:
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Distance:
20 Meters
Restrictions:
None
Coutering Sasuke's Base arsenal:
Addressing Sasuke's ability to use Mangekyō Techs Continously and in Conjunction:
First and foremost, Continously using Susano'O is a huge risk to Sasuke. After only a short battle against the Raikage and a few seconds of use against the Mizukage, Sasuke was already noting that his whole body ached while Karin noted that he was
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His exact limits are unknown but can be gauged.
His battle with Danzou lasted 10 minutes. Most of which was fought whilst using the Ribcage and Skeleton versions of Susano'O. Meaning the time he can hold a Susano'O overall is shorter than 10 minutes as he fought in base a point, and the time he can hold his
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is much shorter as he was fighting in base and lower forms of Susano'O throughout the fight. Comparing this to Naruto's limits in Sage Mode, Naruto can fight at maximum output for far longer.
The next issue is Sasuke using Amaterasu whilst in the safety of Susano'O. The combined strain of Amaterasu and Susano'O leaves Sasuke
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. This wasn't voluntary as Sasuke killed Danzou multiple times without deactivating Susano'O. He had also witnessed Danzou survive his attacks and shouldn't have had any thoughts otherwise at that moment.
Obito also notes that Amaterasu and Susano'O being used at once isn't viable
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Which leaves him only with Ribcage Susano'O if he wishes to use them at the same time as he already did, but at the cost of being open to attack as
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Dealing with Genjutsu:
Under Jiriaya's explanation of Genjutsu, Naruto has a fool proof way of dealing with Genjutsu.
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Having multiple summons in Gamabunta, Gamakichi, Gamahiro, Gamaken, Fukasaku, and Shima. If Naruto ever gets placed in a Genjutsu, they can flow their chakra into him to disrupt it. Likewise if Sasuke tries to control any of Naruto's summons.
The chances of him actually putting Naruto in a Genjutsu are 1/3 if he has Kage Bunshin out,
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Avoiding the God of Sun's wrath and the God of Wind's Arrows:
The basis of Naruto dodging Amaterasu hinges on the point that it subject to sensing, which has been proven as fact on two occasions.
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Given that Amaterasu travels, the closer the distance the easier it is to land due to it having less distance to travel.
At Mid-Distance,
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. Which Naruto has shown the neccesary speed to replicate with
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. If Sasuke so chooses to opt for Amaterasu, then he's open for attack via Toads or Kage Bunshin as we already established that he can't use Amaterasu with a Susano'O any levels higher than Ribcage.
When concerning arrows, Naruto can dodge these as well the with the help of his sensing just the same as Amaterasu.
Kabuto when in Sage Mode
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If need be, Shima can use
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to block Sasuke's vision and prevent him from targeting Naruto. Specifically since Sharingan doesn't have total sight through things the naked eye doesn't as well. Note how Kakashi says "Either" implying he can't see through the mist, backed up by the fact he wasn't able to locate Zabuza without his Inu no Shinobi.
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Decimation of the God of Winds & Storms and Sasuke's Demise:
Sasuke takes it with about mid difficultly. His ordinary Rasengans can't get past Susano'o, and Rasenshuriken will be simply burnt up. He also has no way of actually dodging Amaterasu, and his summons can be burnt down and controlled. He also has no one to break him out of Sasuke's genjutsu should it land.
Bad match-up for Sasuke. SM sensing is the best in the Manga/Anime and can predict Amaterasu. If Sasuke tries to Amaterasu Naruto can just make a clone to block it. The summons are also another bad ordeal for Sasuke.
Naruto didn't rape Pain. Pain was handicapped by having his strongest path useless for several minutes, just finished flattening an entire village which slowed the paths recovery time, did not want to kill Naruto, and still beat him by pinning him to the ground with chakra rods. Kurama was what saved him. Kurama isn't in this matchup.
amaterasu is one of the most overrated jutsu in this manga. against someone who has the sensing abilities as naruto in sage mode, it's all but useless as he can dodge it thanks to sensing where it comes and being fast enough to evade it. but which version of sage mode naruto are we talking about, pain arc or war arc. war arc naruto can make giant FRS and still stay in sage mode. naruto will be able to break through a MS version susano with FRS. after that it goes hand to hand and a mixure of other jutsu. but thanks to frog kata sasuke gets done in pretty quickly. mid-high diff.
We learned from way back when in part 1 that being able to tell an attack is coming doesn't mean your body will be able to react or stop it. Naruto can't evade the flames since he simply lacks the speed to do so. Frog Kata will not be getting past Susano'o when even Tsunade's superior strength could not get past an incomplete version. Rasenshuriken isn't even worth mentioning since Amaterasu will simply burn it up.
if it is in character sasuke would probably charge in with his pwny sword like a retard(like he always does) just to get soloed by frog kata the next second
So basically take Naruto and Sasuke as they were at the bridge but make Sasuke fresh? So he'd have access to his V4 Susanoo so he'd take Naruto (Who was pretty much the same as Pain Arc Naruto as far as feats go) with mid difficulty.
He wouldn't be able to hold a complete Susano'O for any decent amount of time. His fight with Danzo lasted ten minutes which he alternated between Ribcage, Skeleton, Armoured, and not using Susano'O at all.
Meaning the amount he could spend in Armoured Susano'O as it is, is around 5 minutes (there's no evidence for it being 5 minutes but that's just my guess based on the chakra drain of the other Susano'O variants he used.) All that was only with one use of Amaterasu as well. Meaning every time he uses it, he's taking chunks out of the time he can use Susano'O.
Using Armoured Susano'O and Amaterasu also already forced him out of Susano'O gasping for air. The strain of complete Susano'O and Amaterasu would be even worse.
1. you failed to counter how fighting susanoo in close quarters would be impossible. given you give naruto the feats of others(kabuto, raikage)
ill give sasuke madara's
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sasuke then proceeds to decimate naruto in the air like so
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had gaara not been there, end of story.
you're argument that amaterasu travel's has been proven false multiple times. amaterasu spawns, enton travels
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the raikage didn't "easily" break ribcage susanoo, he first damaged its structural integrity
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Kabuto may credit his dodge of the arrow to DSM but in the end of the day, they are different types of sage mode so the feat isn't transferable.
your argument of genjutsu breaking hinges on the assumption that they know someone has used or is in a genjutsu. even a sensor like cee fell prey to sasuke's MS genjutsu. Naruto without the help of a bijuu would as well. by the time his comrades found out it would be far too late.
naruto's "Speed feat" isn't viable because we can't tell how long it to him to get to preta, or how long preta took to get to tsunade. find an actual speed feat like this
I challenge you to find one comment on SM naruto's speed. Sasuke has several
as for sasuke's not using amaterasu and susanoo at the same time, you must remember that he had fought the 5 kage earlier in that very day. karin healing isn't abslolute
Sasuke takes this with mid difficulty. Naruto already admitted to needing the Kyuubi's chakra to beat that version of Sasuke.
As for Sasuke not being able to use Susanoo and Amaterasu at the same time, what a load of BS. In that scan Sasuke releases Susanoo because he thought that Danzou was dead.
Sasuke takes this with mid difficulty. Naruto already admitted to needing the Kyuubi's chakra to beat that version of Sasuke.
Also where did this nonsense about Sasuke not being able to use Amaterasu and Susanoo at the same time come from? He's already done that against Danzou.
