Hebi Sasuke vs Ay

A v i · Mar 28, 2014

Sasuke is the Light said:
No i'm you from the future.

Tim is my future form.

BenjerminGaye · Mar 28, 2014

shelke said:
No, it's just you. Third Raikage's fight made it clear - the less the fingers, the more powerful the Raiton Stab. Sasuke has better feats and has shown two fingers for his Chidori spear.

But, why am I even bothering

That literally has nothing to do with what I said about raikiri or raiden. Do you even know what you're replying to?
You're picking up for slimreaper yet you don't know what he was talking about.

And it's not"less fingers" it's less/smaller points of concentration and in that regard tip of a kunai> sasuke's 2 fingers.

@volatilesoul
U unnecessarily speculated on how long the fight was and how many hits sasuke landed. Needless to say he only landed 1 and it was the chidori.

Haizaki · Mar 28, 2014

shelke said:
No, it's just you. Third Raikage's fight made it clear - the less the fingers, the more powerful the Raiton Stab. Sasuke has better feats and has shown two fingers for his Chidori spear.

But, why am I even bothering here?

Lol

At least read the damn OP. V2 is restricted. Sasuke evaded V1 Ae without a hitch. Opinion is one thing, but blatantly ignoring manga scans and making up petty excuses another.

Ignoring what scans? and what excuses?...the only mistake I made was I didn't take into account V2 being restricted
You say sasuke evaded v1?..are you talking about when they both ran straight at each other with a thrust attack?

and also, I hope you're not trying to say chidori is stronger than the 3rd raikage's hell stab?..if so that's just and assumption you came up with

shelke · Mar 28, 2014

BenjerminGaye said:
That literally has nothing to do with what I said about raikiri or raiden. Do you even know what you're replying to?
You're picking up for slimreaper yet you don't know what he was talking about.

And it's not"less fingers" it's less/smaller points of concentration and in that regard tip of a kunai> sasuke's 2 fingers.

@volatilesoul
U unnecessarily speculated on how long the fight was and how many hits sasuke landed. Needless to say he only landed 1 and it was the chidori.

It's less fingers for concentration as Chakra for Chidori is concentrated on the hand and by extension, the arm, turning it into a blade - the less the fingers, the sharper the point. It was made clear in part one. As I said, Raikage's fight made that rather clear. No, because even Kusanagi is shown to be significantly weaker than Chidori, given that it's a Katana, and its keenness is a given factor. A kunai is not sharper than a Katana.

As for Slimreaper comment, then you directly replied to me for Raikiri comment and got a reply in return. What happened before it is none of my concern.

@Evani

Ae Blitzed Juugo by running at him as well. Are you trying to make some point with this, as this was damn irrelevant. Hell-Stab is Chakra concentrated at a single Finger. Sasuke can bring it down to two. It means, Hell Stab is stronger.

BenjerminGaye · Mar 28, 2014

shelke said:
It's less fingers for concentration as Chakra for Chidori is concentrated on the hand and by extension, the arm, turning it into a blade - the less the fingers, the sharper the point. It was made clear in part one. As I said, Raikage's fight made that rather clear. No, because even Kusanagi is shown to be significantly weaker than Chidori, given that it's a Katana, and its keenness is a given factor. A kunai is not sharper than a Katana.

As for Slimreaper comment, then you directly replied to me for Raikiri comment and got a reply in return. What happened before it is none of my concern.

@Evani

Ae Blitzed Juugo by running at him as well. Are you trying to make some point with this, as this was damn irrelevant. Hell-Stab is Chakra concentrated at a single Finger. Sasuke can bring it down to two. It means, Hell Stab is stronger.

No. Less points of concentration higher penetrating power.
You can't have penetrating power on a sword made for cutting.
Before you say it no penetration power=/= cutting power.
You can't use a sword in the place of a nail/drill. Sasuke's kusanagi was run on a sword and thus can't be compared. Especially since by feats the lightning kunai pierced through multiple rocks like butter but didn't damage obito's foot when he kicked the side of it to naruto. Nor has saauke used the tip of his sword to in any way stab someone. It's always a slash.
And no I replied to slim about his underhanded comment not even regarding this thread. U replied to me not understanding what we were talking about(understandably mistaking v2 jin for v2 ay) and now im here having to clear it up.

Haizaki · Mar 28, 2014

shelke said:
It's less fingers for concentration as Chakra for Chidori is concentrated on the hand and by extension, the arm, turning it into a blade - the less the fingers, the sharper the point. It was made clear in part one. As I said, Raikage's fight made that rather clear. No, because even Kusanagi is shown to be significantly weaker than Chidori, given that it's a Katana, and its keenness is a given factor. A kunai is not sharper than a Katana.

As for Slimreaper comment, then you directly replied to me for Raikiri comment and got a reply in return. What happened before it is none of my concern.

@Evani

Ae Blitzed Juugo by running at him as well. Are you trying to make some point with this, as this was damn irrelevant. Hell-Stab is Chakra concentrated at a single Finger. Sasuke can bring it down to two. It means, Hell Stab is stronger.

Hmm you're convincing quite a little tbh....about them running to each other, ay blitz jugo..yes he did..but they weren't running to each other with a thrust attack..for example, naruto and sasuke ran at each other and sasuke clearly destroyed him with naruto struggling to react...but when sasuke ran at naruto with his chidori the result was different

lelerskates · Mar 28, 2014

shelke said:
It's less fingers for concentration as Chakra for Chidori is concentrated on the hand and by extension, the arm, turning it into a blade - the less the fingers, the sharper the point.

I find it funny when people give Sasuke feats from other shinobi. That's the 3rd Raikages ability and ONLY his ability. U mad bro?

BenjerminGaye · Mar 28, 2014

lelerskates said:
I find it funny when people give Sasuke feats from other shinobi. That's the 3rd Raikages ability and ONLY his ability. U mad bro?

No one gave sasuke the third's feats. The principle behind hellstab/chidori/raikiri are the same. Naruto already said it.

By lowering the points of concentration the penetrating power goes up.

lelerskates · Mar 28, 2014

BenjerminGaye said:
No one gave sasuke the third's feats. The principle behind hellstab/chidori/raikiri are the same. Naruto already said it.

By lowering the points of concentration the penetrating power goes up.

Naruto said it? Naruto knows close to nothing about lightning element to begin with. All he said was it's similar to Kakashi's chidori. So yeah, you guys are giving him feats which he doesn't have.

shelke · Mar 28, 2014

BenjerminGaye said:
No. Less points of concentration higher penetrating power.
You can't have penetrating power on a sword made for cutting.
Before you say it no penetration power=/= cutting power.
You can't use a sword in the place of a nail/drill. Sasuke's kusanagi was run on a sword and thus can't be compared. Especially since by feats the lightning kunai pierced through multiple rocks like butter but didn't damage obito's foot when he kicked the side of it to naruto. Nor has saauke used the tip of his sword to in any way stab someone. It's always a slash.
And no I replied to slim about his underhanded comment not even regarding this thread. U replied to me not understanding what we were talking about(understandably mistaking v2 jin for v2 ay) and now im here having to clear it up.

As I said, Kakashi opts for Raikiri for a reason and so does Sasuke for Chidori. Never has it been stated that Kunai or Katana once fused with Raiton have more penetrating power than the one concentrated on the hand. Unless you have proof, this is speculation. Given that Sasuke stabbed right through Gaara's absolute defense and Kakashi cut through V2 tails, albeit it was a chain. My point stands.

@Evani

The guy who is faster should be able to blitz easily regardless of whether they run at each other or not.

AGoodBoy · Mar 28, 2014

lelerskates said:
Naruto said it? Naruto knows close to nothing about lightning element to begin with. All he said was it's similar to Kakashi's chidori. So yeah, you guys are giving him feats which he doesn't have.

It's funny how people try to use their own ignorance as an argument.

BenjerminGaye · Mar 28, 2014

shelke said:
As I said, Kakashi opts for Raikiri for a reason and so does Sasuke for Chidori. Never has it been stated that Kunai or Katana once fused with Raiton have more penetrating power than the one concentrated on the hand. Unless you have proof, this is speculation. Given that Sasuke stabbed right through Gaara's absolute defense and Kakashi cut through V2 tails, albeit it was a chain. My point stands.

@Evani

The guy who is faster should be able to blitz easily regardless of whether they ran at each other or not.

I'm not differentiating between raikiri or chidori so stop changing subject.

What I said was less points of concentration=more penetrating power. The single point on tip of a kunai is smaller and less points of concentration than that of two fingers. It is also smaller and less than that of the length of a katana. But since you want an example(you brought a good one up too) when le sauce was chidori training the rocks he trained on were pierced but not completely through even through he had a force to push of of(the ground) the same goes for garra's defence, and the water tower.
But when kakashi ran raikiri on his kunai he pierced multiple rocks with such ease they split in half. Not to mention he had only his momentum to work with given the fact that he was in midair at the time. Then when he threw it (only to have it change directions then dimensions) it still pierced obito's specially made war mask.

Raiden is a different technique and follows a different procedures/guidelines all together so it's not the best comparison.

@lelerskates were not neither I nor shelke( can't believe I'm sicking up for this guy) said kakashi/sasuke gets raikage's feats. Raikage barely has feats to begin with. What he said was the points of concentration determine the power. I.e. sasuke used a empty palmed chidori on bee but didn't pierce skin yet when he brings the concentration down to three fingers he can pierce raikages shroud.
And naruto's pretty knowledgeable on lightning since both his teammate and his sensei's use it. Not to mention ay made roughly the same connection.

shelke · Mar 28, 2014

@BenjerminGaye

Sit yourself down, I made an analogy. No one was differentiating between anything. Also, by your logic Raiton Concentrated on a Kunai should, hypothetically, match a hell-stab, as the point is much smaller than a finger. When it's hardly the case. Third Raikage speared through several thick Doton walls erected by the ninjas and the Lava Balloon, when he was not using maximum concentration at all. It was down to three fingers - a less powerful attack than Sasuke's.

Anyhow, I have said what I could have on the topic. Without concrete manga evidence - a page explicitly stating so - this is completely moot.

Bogard · Mar 28, 2014

The Chidori Sharp Spear is weaker than the original chidori

Databook said:
This technique uses shape transformation to form the original Chidori into a spear or blade-shape, adapting it for mid-range attacks with a maximum range of about five metres. Although it's less powerful than the Chidori, its increased range means there is less of a risk to the user.

shelke · Mar 29, 2014

^ The Manga has negated this on grounds of upping the penetration power. Whichever form does so, should be more powerful. Regardless, I doubt this point is of any value.

Bogard · Mar 29, 2014

shelke said:
^ The Manga has negated this on grounds of upping the penetration power. Whichever form does so, should be more powerful. Regardless, I doubt this point is of any value.

Just because it's how 3rd Raikage's technique works doesn't mean it would be the same for other techniques. In that case you could question Kakashi or Sasuke's intelligence in not using it with one finger more often if it really changed the piercing power of their attack

shelke · Mar 29, 2014

T Bogard said:
Just because it's how 3rd Raikage's technique works doesn't mean it would be the same for other techniques. In that case you could question Kakashi or Sasuke's intelligence in not using it with one finger more often if it really changed the piercing power of their attack

The manga has established a parallel. That stat is clearly irrelevant now. This has little to do with intelligence but rather his affinity with Black Lightening, which both Kakashi and Sasuke lack. The one-fingered Raiton attack is his KG.

Icelerate · Mar 29, 2014

Hebi Sasuke beats V1 Ay high difficulty.

We've already witnessed a chidori from