Who is Indra's reincarnation?

[Amazeballs]

Do you know what reincarnation mean?

Reincarnation = Someone who has been born again with a different body after death

Madara and Sasuke both lived/live at the same time

Actually, Sasuke was born shortly after Madara's death. Almost immediately after. Anyway, Madara and Sasuke have their own identity beyond the Indra chakra that was reincarnated through them... It's not an issue if Madara is revived and living at the same time as Sasuke; it just means that two of Indra's win carnations are alive at the same time.

 

[assface3]

Madara easily.

 

[saw2097]

Actually, Sasuke was born shortly after Madara's death. Almost immediately after. Anyway, Madara and Sasuke have their own identity beyond the Indra chakra that was reincarnated through them... It's not an issue if Madara is revived and living at the same time as Sasuke; it just means that two of Indra's win carnations are alive at the same time.

That's Avatar's altered version, and it has nothing to do with reincarnation from actual Eastern Philosophy and religion.

I have already explained above.

 

[LeSauce]

Sasuke surpasses every form of Indra.

 

[FourthSmokage]

And Kishi is using the Reincarnation from classic eastern religion which is one soul being reborn over and over again.

The Six Paths of Pain are a direct reference to the Six paths of reincarnation.

Kishi basis his work off of Eastern religious and cultural stories, more than likely he will stick to the old story.

Besides Hashirama and Madara don't meet the criteria, Hashirama was a natural born genius and Madara lived in his shadow and respected him.

The Younger Son and Elder Son are the complete opposite, Naruto and Sasuke follow this to the letter.

Ashura is a talentless guy who made it to the top through hard work, Hashirama was born at the top.

This kind of story element is very open to interpretation at this point. Trying to bring logic and reasoning into Reincarnation simply won't work.

IMO Madara and Hashirama fit the criteria well. Madara was very power hungry and believed that his own strength would bring about change. Hashirama believed words and mutual understanding was the way for people to solve disagreements.

Maddy and Hashi have always been compared to Naruto and Sasuke. It makes complete sense that they could be the past reincarnations. You can judge them on strength or call hashi a "genius" but their morals is what I am looking at, as that is more important about a person than their strength.

Madara and Hashirama were both dead when Naruto and Sasuke were born. Just because they were edo tensei'd later doesn't discount the possibility of them being reincarnations too.

Reincarnation in religious parts of the world are irrelevant to me. That is not the deciding factor here.

 

[saw2097]

This kind of story element is very open to interpretation at this point. Trying to bring logic and reasoning into Reincarnation simply won't work.

IMO Madara and Hashirama fit the criteria well. Madara was very power hungry and believed that his own strength would bring about change. Hashirama believed words and mutual understanding was the way for people to solve disagreements.

Maddy and Hashi have always been compared to Naruto and Sasuke. It makes complete sense that they could be the past reincarnations. You can judge them on strength or call hashi a "genius" but their morals is what I am looking at, as that is more important about a person than their strength.

Madara and Hashirama were both dead when Naruto and Sasuke were born. Just because they were edo tensei'd later doesn't discount the possibility of them being reincarnations too.

Reincarnation in religious parts of the world are irrelevant to me. That is not the deciding factor here.

Naruto and Ashura were both drop outs and were born without talent, Hashirama was born with the Wood Release and was stronger then most adults.

The Younger son lived in the elder sons shadow, Madara was born powerful but not only was he weaker than Hashirama he wasn't afraid to admit it.

Madara actually respected Hashirama.

The Elder Sons and Younger Sons relationship was vastly different, the only similarity is that Madara betrayed Hashirama.

But the same thing happened with the Sannin and the two who did have no realation to the sons as far as we know, Jiraya and Orochimaru.

Yet they are not reincarnations as one of them is still alive and Jiraya died long after Naruto was born.

 

[A Zealot]

He is alive right now and he doesn't meet the criteria.

Hashirama was a natural born genius and Madara wasn't afraid to admit he was stronger.

That goes against the Younger Son and Elder Son story.

Madara can't be the reincarnation, he doesn't fit at all.

But he died. Indara (whatever his name is) had to go somewhere and it seems like he went to Sasuke after Madara killed himself.

Than Sasuke wouldn't fit the criteria either since, he acknowledge Naruto power might be more powerful than him.

How do we know Hashi was a born Genius? He looked roughly if not older than Naruto (at the VOTE V.S Sasuke). And Naruto wasn't a born Genius.

 

[Hàdes1]

its most likely sasuke coz he is the other main char

 

[LeSauce]

Hashirama also relied on power.

You can see this when he agreed with Madara that they would need to be powerful in order for people to agree with them as kids.

He also never needed the cooperation of others to be powerful.

 

[LeSauce]

Hashirama also relied on power.

You can see this when he agreed with Madara that they would need to be powerful in order for people to agree with them as kids.

He also never needed the cooperation of others to be powerful.

 

[Prime Rib]

people left out obito like always

 

[FourthSmokage]

Naruto and Ashura were both drop outs and were born without talent, Hashirama was born with the Wood Release and was stronger then most adults.

They're hardly "drop outs" lol. They might have had slow development but they turned out nearly or just as powerful as their rivals. Naruto was born with the Kyuubi inside of him. If that isn't potential, I don't know what is. I will concede that they developed differently, but at the end of the day, Madara/Hashi... Sauce/Naruto... they turned out to grow up very close to each other in power, at least in their natural lives.

Regardless of if someone is marked as a "no good younger brother" or a "drop out", Hashirama had his own talent just like Naruto did, and just like Ashura did. And when Hashirama was at the kage meeting, it was clear that his morals are a parallel to Naruto and Ashura.

The Younger son lived in the elder sons shadow, Madara was born powerful but not only was he weaker than Hashirama he wasn't afraid to admit it.

Both Naruto and Sasuke have gotten near equal screen-time. I'd hardly say they're in either one's "shadow". Unless by shadow you mean Sasuke's darkness. Like I said, they might have developed at different rates but Hashi and Maddy are equal paralells.

Madara actually respected Hashirama.

Sauce and Naruto have mutual respect for each other as well.

The Elder Sons and Younger Sons relationship was vastly different, the only similarity is that Madara betrayed Hashirama.

Really? Can't think of any more similarities? How about the fact that both pairs had an earth-shattering war that ultimately decided the fate of the world? Thats a pretty big one right there, just off the top of my head.

But the same thing happened with the Sannin and the two who did have no realation to the sons as far as we know, Jiraya and Orochimaru.

The Sannin are a Trio. And that title, sannin, is non celestial. Hanzo gave them that silly nickname. They are irrelevant.

TL;DR: Hashi and Maddy were past reincarnations but when they died, Naruto and Sasuke were both born with that endowment. They are clearly parallels, a common storytelling tactic that Kishi likes to use.

 

[Amazeballs]

That's Avatar's altered version, and it has nothing to do with reincarnation from actual Eastern Philosophy and religion.

I have already explained above.

Those "actual" forms of reincarnation have nothing to do with Kishi's manga. Clearly he intended that past generations of "Indra/Ashura" incarnations could be revived with Edo Tensei / Rinne Tensei and exist alongside Sasuke/Naruto, etc. They are not the same person/soul being reborn into a new body, they are merely the current heirs to the Indra/Ashura chakra.

Avatar's "altered" version is the correct interpretation of the manga we're actually discussing.