[Discussion] Why is RDS so powerful?

[valandil988]

Well we just got part of the explanation from the sage this chapter, concerning Kaguya he said, "She was stronger than anyone" so it seems that the reason the reaper death seal is powerful is not because of whatever caused Kaguya to be turned into the shinigami but Kaguya herself.

To me it seems like Kaguya was more than capable of defeating the juubi but chose not to. Her sons took that up to "Absolve her sins" ie Kaguya was NOT a nice person at all. She came to the elemental lands just so she could take the fruit not because she needed it for some grand purpose it was simple lust for power.

Hence it makes sense why NOTHING can resist the RDS not even bijou, Orochimaru is a question mark here in how he managed to stop or at least resist it. Or was that Hiruzens fading life effecting the seals potency?

 

[FemmeFatale]

Hiruzen was weak, the power is probably an extension of the users will and vitality and he was dieing. He didn't have much life force left to offer anyway, and his little chakra was divided into shadow clones. The true question is that a certain beautiful woman can undo kaguya's work. Tsunade

 

[valandil988]

Hiruzen was weak, the power is probably an extension of the users will and vitality and he was dieing. He didn't have much life force left to offer anyway, and his little chakra was divided into shadow clones. The true question is that a certain beautiful woman can undo kaguya's work. Tsunade

Erm what? How do you come to that conclusion?

I agree with you on Hiruzen but tsunade I'm a bit confused.

 

[YellowFang]

Yep that's a nice assumption...
And it was Hiruzen's dying moment that Oro resisted his RDS...

 

[Rikudo SenninKun Namikaze]

Erm what? How do you come to that conclusion?

I agree with you on Hiruzen but tsunade I'm a bit confused.

Why would uneven ask her that? If something doesn't make sense from the get go you almost positively know you'll get a nonsense answer.

She's trolling tsunami bullsh@t all over you... Better dodge that.




Anyway.. To answer YOUR question... Hiruzen didn't master RDS and was never a sealing Jutsu expert by any means... That's why he had to get close to oro and the arm of the reaper went through him instead of instantly traveling to the target.

 

[reizon]

Hiruzen was weak, the power is probably an extension of the users will and vitality and he was dieing. He didn't have much life force left to offer anyway, and his little chakra was divided into shadow clones. The true question is that a certain beautiful woman can undo kaguya's work. Tsunade

shut up already.!!

 

[End of Days]

Orochimaru is a question mark here in how he managed to stop or at least resist it. Or was that Hiruzens fading life effecting the seals potency?

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[valandil988]

Yep that's a nice assumption...
And it was Hiruzen's dying moment that Oro resisted his RDS...

True.

Why would uneven ask her that? If something doesn't make sense from the get go you almost positively know you'll get a nonsense answer.

She's trolling tsunami bullsh@t all over you... Better dodge that.




Anyway.. To answer YOUR question... Hiruzen didn't master RDS and was never a sealing Jutsu expert by any means... That's why he had to get close to oro and the arm of the reaper went through him instead of instantly traveling to the target.

Yeah I kinda guessed but the best way to deal with it is to act curious rather than annoyed which I wasn't.

Also I guess everyone did notice the differences in the sages story compared to Madara's the difference was Kaguya's motivation. In the sages story she is selfish and her sons have to live with her mistakes, in Madara's she gains power to end war. Tbh I think I take the sages word over Madara any day as that is second hand information from the "alter able" tablet.

 

[Hori]

whatever caused Kaguya to be turned into the shinigami but Kaguya herself.

Who told you that? Its still not proven that kaguya is the reaper the last chapter proved nothing... this is just still a hypothesis

To me it seems like Kaguya was more than capable of defeating the juubi but chose not to. Her sons took that up to "Absolve her sins" ie Kaguya was NOT a nice person at all. She came to the elemental lands just so she could take the fruit not because she needed it for some grand purpose it was simple lust for power.

Madara said that Kaguya wanted to end war between men and she ate the fruit and controlled the war... at the very least I think Kaguya is a good person just like Hagoromo because I doubt that Hagoromo would be that good and have an evil mom.. just not possible. One could say Kaguya had good intentions but made wrong or bad choices...

Hence it makes sense why NOTHING can resist the RDS not even bijou, Orochimaru is a question mark here in how he managed to stop or at least resist it. Or was that Hiruzens fading life effecting the seals potency?

Tell me something the bijuu are immune to. For Oro's case Hiruzen had already pulled two people into the reaper stomoch I guess that really did affect the potency of the jutsu... or maybe pure plot?

 

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[Hori]

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Stop soloeing thread will ya? :snick:

 

[YellowFang]

Madara said that Kaguya wanted to end war between men and she ate the fruit and controlled the war... at the very least I think Kaguya is a good person just like Hagoromo because I doubt that Hagoromo would be that good and have an evil mom.. just not possible. One could say Kaguya had good intentions but made wrong or bad choices...

Madara is also trying to end the war and unite all people by getting all power with himself...
Kaguya did the same thing, if Madara is a negative figure so is she...

 

[HashiraMadara]

trolling nonsense show me a sh*t linking to Kaguya being RDS

 

[Gulvklud]

Well we just got part of the explanation from the sage this chapter, concerning Kaguya he said, "She was stronger than anyone" so it seems that the reason the reaper death seal is powerful is not because of whatever caused Kaguya to be turned into the shinigami but Kaguya herself.

To me it seems like Kaguya was more than capable of defeating the juubi but chose not to. Her sons took that up to "Absolve her sins" ie Kaguya was NOT a nice person at all. She came to the elemental lands just so she could take the fruit not because she needed it for some grand purpose it was simple lust for power.

Hence it makes sense why NOTHING can resist the RDS not even bijou, Orochimaru is a question mark here in how he managed to stop or at least resist it. Or was that Hiruzens fading life effecting the seals potency?

First of all, i don't think she is the shikki fuujin.

Second off, The latest chapter stated that the Juubi is the

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of the Shinjuu, and we know that the bijuus reincarnate after some time if they are killed, so its very likely that the shinjuu withered and died after kaguya ate the fruit and then came back as the Juubi, possibly after Kaguya died.

Another option is that, with its chakra stolen, it reverted to a seed-like state like when we first saw it.

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[osba]

Why would uneven ask her that? If something doesn't make sense from the get go you almost positively know you'll get a nonsense answer.

She's trolling tsunami bullsh@t all over you... Better dodge that.




Anyway.. To answer YOUR question... Hiruzen didn't master RDS and was never a sealing Jutsu expert by any means... That's why he had to get close to oro and the arm of the reaper went through him instead of instantly traveling to the target.

I agree if you say that her theories are usually complete horse shit but she is right.. orochi went looking for tsunade so that she could fix his arms.

Also, stating that it is skill that kept Hiruzen from completely sealing orochimaru is just stupid.

 

[Hori]

Madara is also trying to end the war and unite all people by getting all power with himself...
Kaguya did the same thing, if Madara is a negative figure so is she...

Evil people don't bear children... Kaguya was capable of love, Danzo, Madara, Hanzo, Orochimaru all of them never had children lol

 

[valandil988]

trolling nonsense show me a sh*t linking to Kaguya being RDS

If your not seeing the obvious foreshadowing there is no point in me arguing with someone that doesn't want to agree in the first place.

Stop soloeing thread will ya? :snick:

He quoted a whole bunch of RDS scans nothing in there "solos" as you put it.

Who told you that? Its still not proven that kaguya is the reaper the last chapter proved nothing... this is just still a hypothesis

Look at the finger nails, her general demeanour is the same, not only that but her stance when using her powers is exactly the same as RDS, no other character has that same stance. Kishi doesn't draw similarities for no reason, it's called foreshadowing. Also look at the markings at either side of her forehead, now look at the RDS shinigami, it has the same weirdo markings.

Madara said that Kaguya wanted to end war between men and she ate the fruit and controlled the war... at the very least I think Kaguya is a good person just like Hagoromo because I doubt that Hagoromo would be that good and have an evil mom.. just not possible. One could say Kaguya had good intentions but made wrong or bad choices...

Meh nah she was one evil pup, look at what the sage said she came from a distant land, she had no reason to rule over the elemental lands other than simple greed and she took the fruit to do it. Madara is more good than that, at least he has good intensions to some degree.

Tell me something the bijuu are immune to. For Oro's case Hiruzen had already pulled two people into the reaper stomoch I guess that really did affect the potency of the jutsu... or maybe pure plot?

Death? Likely because he was dying at the end there, I guess you more or less have a set time limit on the RDSs power usage.

Evil people don't bear children... Kaguya was capable of love, Danzo, Madara, Hanzo, Orochimaru all of them never had children lol

Being able to feel love and being extremely selfish aren't that far apart, selfishness can just as easily motivate the need to have children. Not only that but selfishness is also pal and friend to greed.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Erm what? How do you come to that conclusion?

I agree with you on Hiruzen but tsunade I'm a bit confused.

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[valandil988]

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Good point, Tsunades ability to "heal" orochimaru was never expanded upon, Orochimaru is not the type of person to be so ignorant as to assume that a simple medic could "heal" his sealed arms. Hence he must have known something about the RDS and how it might connect to Tsunade.

So it may be a possibility. However I was under the impression that RDS was an uzumaki jutsu that originated with either Kushina or Mito, in Mito's case it would make sense for Tsunade to know of it, at least in passing. In kushina's case it wouldn't make sense. So this could means that we can actually pin down the true origin of the jutsu, Mito uzumaki.

 

[sdrocker12345]

Well, i personally think hiruzen was weak