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The following dissection is merely a hypothetical ramble based on my observations of the last chapter, which gave way for a heap of speculation regarding the path of Naruto and Sasuke in the future.

Naruto revelation

It is has now been revealed that Ashura, the younger son of the Sage, had his chakra transmigrate over time and in to Naruto as the current incarnation (as he did insinuate that it has happened before). This is another addition to the long line of parallels that encompass this manga. With this confirmation, we know Naruto has a lot more potential in the future power-wise, and he is the true successor to the Sage in his entirety.

Sasuke inevitability

It is basically a forgone conclusion due to the immense amount of parallelism that Sasuke will undoubtedly represent the incarnation (via transmigration) of Indra, the Elder son og the Sage. Again, what this does is confirm Sasuke’s potential for power is boundless and will definitely sky rocket even more in the immediate future.

Breaking of the parallel


We know Sasuke is gaining Hashirama’s DNA via Kabuto who is injecting it into his open wound while very “near death” akin to the way Madara awoke the Rinnegan. However, this is breaking the parallelism of Indra and Ashura, as they relied solely on what they were given (Eyes and Body) to fight each other. With Sasuke gaining Hashirama’s DNA, he has the potential for the Rinnegan (which is just as much a body power as it is an eye power), strong physical being (A trait of Ashura), the aptitude for Sage Mode (via Hashirama’s DNA AND Juugo’s DNA within him), the inevitable Perfect Susano’o and we know that the people who acquire Hashirama’s DNA gain Mokuton as a by-product, and judging by the amount being “pumped” in to Sasuke, it seems to be proportionated to Madara’s amount, and we know Madara was able to replicate Madara’s Mokuton to a tee. Even amongst all this, with Sage Mode, he can possibly access Shinsenjuu as Sennin Modo+Mokuton leads in to Shinsenjuu (showcased by Hashirama). What this does is break the known parallel between the sons and directly; Naruto and Sasuke. How will this be alleviated?

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What Hagoromo will entrust

The source of Sasuke’s new incoming power is Yang and subsequently body related. Naruto just received Yin Kurama and the Bijuu’s chakra. Hagoromo will inevitably “entrust” something to Naruto, and it’s almost a guarantee it has to do with powering Naruto up. This is where the parallelism is both reformed and transcended into new heights. Sasuke will gain body related power to heighten his abilities, and Naruto will gain the Rinnegan, an eye related power entrusted to him by Hagoromo in order to take down Madara.

The Transcendent parallel


The beginning of Shinobi essentially dates back to Kaguya who had TWO sons born with chakra; Hagoromo and his unnamed (but in the near future, he may be named) brother. We know BOTH of them were born with the powers of their mother (albeit watered down considering Hagoromo’s description of her power and superiority to everyone) and BOTH of them sealed half the Juubi each within them. They are practically identical, albeit, Hagoromo seemed to be “less human” in appearance given his horn like protrusions while his brother, if Madara is any indication given his appearance as Juubi Jin, was a lot more “human” in appearance as he lacked the actual horns but rather had the head wear reminiscent of horns. This is also represented by Obito vs Madara as Jin given the stark difference in appearance. As for how Naruto and Sasuke “transcend” the initial parallel, it comes down to how they are the main characters and how they will inevitably be the most powerful (except Kaguya, as the Sage was “de-hyped” and now is admissible in being surpassed by present day Shinobi). Sasuke in gaining the “Body” and Rinnegan through those means is part of the Hagoromo brother -> Indra -> Madara -> Sasuke parallel dichotomy, and will achieve “Rikudou” status through more human means and his appearance won’t be altered that much. This is opposing Naruto, who will gain the “Eyes” (and watered down Juubi Jin mode) via the “beasts” much like Hagoromo’s method and he is part of the Hagoromo -> Ashura -> Hashirama -> Obito -> Naruto parallel dichotomy. In defeating Madara together, they will have done what the original sons of Hagoromo failed to do and that being to cooperate, but they will also parallel Hagoromo (Naruto) and his brother (Sasuke) in subduing and ridding the world of the Juubi once and for all.
 

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You had to sneak in Rinnegan Naruto in there, aye?
It's inevitable given that Sasuke is breaking the parallel altogether as he receives the body currently. Not even debatable.

OT: I'll edit the OP with this later, but along the lines of Naruto and Sasuke's knowledge of how the Shinobi world came to be, it also parallels the "Human vs Beast" method. Sasuke gained his knowledge of the Uchiha and Senju feud via Hashirama and he deemed the system surplus to the requirements that he deemed fit. This is in contrast to Naruto, who is learning the back story of the Shinobi world in the most ancient times (where the "beast" Juubi was running amuck) and his knowledge of the Shinobi world has to do more with chakra and the placing of the Bijuu's, rather than the system that was influenced by humans (Senju and Uchiha) in Sasuke's views. This can quite well be another reason there fight at the end has more merit to it, beyond the obvious parallelism to the sons.
 

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If you decided to come on Skype we would have many of those conversations... including the incessant bickering between me and my parents.
You instigate those...discussions, Matt. You yell at your mom all the time! And, yeah. School has been rough a bit recently. Not to mention I have been with my friends more often... I'll be on this weekend, though.
 

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Excellent thread. However.......Sasuke & Naruto will never both gain the rinnegan. I'm also 95% sure Sasuke will get the Rinnegan as it is the "human" aspect of Hagaromo's power, whilst Naruto will gain the "Tailed Beast" aspect of his power.

In the end these are my predicted powerups for the two.
Sasuke:
*Final form of Susano'o+Shinsenjuu
*Senjutsu enhanced Enton
*FTG-level speed
*DSM
*Perfect Rinnegan
*Onmyoudom
Naruto:
*100% Juubi chakra+perfect jinchiruki of Juubi
*FTG-level Speed
*DBZ level attacks
*Instant Healing+Invulnerability

Again this is all my understanding and my predictions.
 

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Excellent thread. However.......Sasuke & Naruto will never both gain the rinnegan. I'm also 95% sure Sasuke will get the Rinnegan as it is the "human" aspect of Hagaromo's power, whilst Naruto will gain the "Tailed Beast" aspect of his power.

In the end these are my predicted powerups for the two.
Sasuke:
*Final form of Susano'o+Shinsenjuu
*Senjutsu enhanced Enton
*FTG-level speed
*DSM
*Perfect Rinnegan
*Onmyoudom
Naruto:
*100% Juubi chakra+perfect jinchiruki of Juubi
*FTG-level Speed
*DBZ level attacks
*Instant Healing+Invulnerability

Again this is all my understanding and my predictions.
Not at all. Sasuke awakening the Rinnegan is all a by-product of becoming the unification of the eyes and the "ultimate" body in Hashirama. It completely breaks the parallel, and the only way to reform any kind of "brothers" parallel between Naruto and Sasuke is to have Naruto too awaken the Rinnegan and become Hagoromo (beast) whereas Sasuke becomes Hagoromo's brother (Human) while still being equal like everyone postulates. What you underlined for Sasuke is beyond overbearing and puts him well above Naruto. I doubt Naruto will become the Perfect Jin of the Juubi, because he promised the Bijuu's he would save them, and if he were to become the Juubi Jin, that isn't possible.
 

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Not at all. Sasuke awakening the Rinnegan is all a by-product of becoming the unification of the eyes and the "ultimate" body in Hashirama.​

A signifanct portion of Sasukes power is still composed of yin adding in a portion of Hashiramas yang, is like a drop of water in an ocean compared to Sasuke's Gargantuan Yin energy. Also Natural energy should be necessesarily be considered a trait of either yin or yang as it's in a completley different context of power on it's own (Ok you know what i mean).

It completely breaks the parallel, and the only way to reform any kind of "brothers" parallel between Naruto and Sasuke is to have Naruto too awaken the Rinnegan and become Hagoromo (beast) whereas Sasuke becomes Hagoromo's brother (Human) while still being equal like everyone postulates.
It is highly unlikely having both Sasuke and Naruto fighting each other with a majority of their arsenal being similar. It would be tedious and anti-climatic to the hyped end battle. Between the "yin and yang".

Also what are your predicted powerups for Both of these characters? Just curious as to your understanding of the nature of their respective powers.

 

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Excellent thread. However.......Sasuke & Naruto will never both gain the rinnegan. I'm also 95% sure Sasuke will get the Rinnegan as it is the "human" aspect of Hagaromo's power, whilst Naruto will gain the "Tailed Beast" aspect of his power.

In the end these are my predicted powerups for the two.
Sasuke:
*Final form of Susano'o+Shinsenjuu
*Senjutsu enhanced Enton
*FTG-level speed
*DSM
*Perfect Rinnegan
*Onmyoudom
Naruto:
*100% Juubi chakra+perfect jinchiruki of Juubi
*FTG-level Speed
*DBZ level attacks
*Instant Healing+Invulnerability

Again this is all my understanding and my predictions.
Haha, thanks for the smirk I'm wearing now.
 

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A signifanct portion of Sasukes power is still composed of yin adding in a portion of Hashiramas yang, is like a drop of water in an ocean compared to Sasuke's Gargantuan Yin energy. Also Natural energy should be necessesarily be considered a trait of either yin or yang as it's in a completley different context of power on it's own (Ok you know what i mean).


It is highly unlikely having both Sasuke and Naruto fighting each other with a majority of their arsenal being similar. It would be tedious and anti-climatic to the hyped end battle. Between the "yin and yang".

Also what are your predicted powerups for Both of these characters? Just curious as to your understanding of the nature of their respective powers.

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Sasuke:

Rinnegan
Sage Mode
Mokuton
Perfect Susano'o

And as a by-product of having Sage Mode, he can use Shinsenjuu as well.

Naruto:
Rikudou Mode akin to Hagoromo's appearance
Rin'negan
Sennin Modo (which he has)


There is a relative equilibrium here.
 

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Interesting ideas. I agree on some terms, though I mostly disagree.

On Sasuke, I would've agreed with this, a short while ago, though the pressure Kishimoto has put on ocular vs body power with Ashura and Indra, leads me to believe that we will continue this trend with Naruto and Sasuke. Sasuke will have Indra's ocular power become whole through fully harnessing and combining Itachi's ocular power with his own, while Naruto, through all 9 Biju's chakra, will soon achieve a state similar to Ashura as a Jinchuriki with chakra from all 9 Tailed Beasts. Sasuke keeps the trend of isolation, relying on himself and his brother, while Naruto, after connecting with the tailed beasts and gaining their power, keeps the trend of cooperation.
 
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Interesting ideas. I agree on some terms, though I mostly disagree.

On Sasuke, I would've agreed with this, a short while ago, though the pressure Kishimoto has put on ocular vs body power with Ashura and Indra, leads me to believe that we will continue this trend with Naruto and Sasuke. Sasuke will have Indra's ocular power become whole through fully harnessing and combining Itachi's ocular power with his own, while Naruto, through all 9 Biju's chakra, will soon achieve a state similar to Ashura as a Jinchuriki with chakra from all 9 Tailed Beasts. Sasuke keeps the trend of isolation, relying on himself and his brother, while Naruto, after connecting with the tailed beasts and gaining their power, keeps the trend of cooperation.

But... that isn't possible. Unless the DNA that Kabuto is giving him turns out to be different, the harnessing of Itachi's Douryoku is out of the question entirely. The only Mangekyou technique Sasuke will rely on will be his Perfect Susano'o. I wouldn't mind what you put forth, but it's not happening at all due to the route that Kishimoto is taking with Sasuke. He's breaking his own parallel with Eye/Body parallel, so it has to be re-established in some way, while mirroring brothers once more, and I believe they will now mirror Hagoromo and his brother (and given that Sasuke parallels Madara and Madara parallels Hagoromo's brother, it sets it up perfectly) and become the most powerful in the history of Shinobi (yes, even more so than Hagoromo).
 

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But... that isn't possible. Unless the DNA that Kabuto is giving him turns out to be different, the harnessing of Itachi's Douryoku is out of the question entirely. The only Mangekyou technique Sasuke will rely on will be his Perfect Susano'o. I wouldn't mind what you put forth, but it's not happening at all due to the route that Kishimoto is taking with Sasuke. He's breaking his own parallel with Eye/Body parallel, so it has to be re-established in some way, while mirroring brothers once more, and I believe they will now mirror Hagoromo and his brother (and given that Sasuke parallels Madara and Madara parallels Hagoromo's brother, it sets it up perfectly) and become the most powerful in the history of Shinobi (yes, even more so than Hagoromo).
From a story perspective, breaking the parallel makes no sense. It only exists as a means to add weight to Naruto and Sasuke's rivalry, if it were to be broken, there's no point in touching upon it further. It diminishes the point in having Naruto and Sasuke as Ashura and Indra's reincarnations, as this truth becomes useless to the plot if they are meant to reflect the Sage and his brother.

Regarding the rest, there isn't any way of knowing that the "much-tinkered" Hashirama cells will in fact lead to transferring ability, as that isn't the purpose in the transfer. Shown through Jugo and Hashirama's cells simply being used to sustain Sasuke and Madara's life, without having any other purpose. This later "awakening" of Madara's, seems to have been entirely a fluke, as he has no clue as to what triggered it's appearance. Just to note, I have highly reconsidered Senninka's likely-hood after thinking more-so on this matter.

As the chakra Indra built up and moved on was the Complete Susano'o, and this power requires the eyes of two brothers (presumably Susano'o users), Indra's power must be passed on between brothers, rather than one person. Which means, harnessing Itachi's ocular power is required to fully make use of Indra's power. I don't believe Sasuke has completed his Susano'o yet.
 
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I'll have to respectfully disagree.

Kishimoto has added new emphasis to the elder and younger son parallel. Based on that I'm now questioning whether or not Sasuke will obtain the Rinnegan/Mokuton. Kishimoto had many believing that Naruto would be the reincarnation of the Sage, but instead we've learned that he is the reincarnation of Ashura (the younger son).

I believe that Kishimoto may have simply misdirected readers with Kabuto pumping Hashirama cells into Sasuke. It could be that Kabuto is somehow using those cells strictly as a means of healing Sasuke.
 
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