Let's COMPARE Madara-Hashirama with Indra-Ashura.

[MrLukyso]

The way I see it. Only the ElderSon has the original ocular powers granted for the Uchiha. You're claiming he was going blind due to the MS but of course that's your assumption. Only one type of ocular eye power can use PS and that is a manga fact.

PS users - Indra, Madara, Sasuke, one uses it with Rinnegan other with EMS other one with MS. That's not really one of a kind eye powers man.

 

[Mitarashi]

The way I see it. Only the ElderSon has the original ocular powers granted for the Uchiha. You're claiming he was going blind due to the MS but of course that's your assumption. Only one type of ocular eye power can use PS and that is a manga fact.

Show me where it says it required EMS for PS, untill the, Indra's existence as the ONLY person with MS and a PS proves other-wise.
So no, it isn't Manga fact.

And it's ME assuming things when I say MS makes you blind?
PLEASE

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[Dantee]

Show me where it says it required EMS for PS, untill the, Indra's existence as the ONLY person with MS and a PS proves other-wise.
So no, it isn't Manga fact.

Madara and Sasuke were the only ones to use PS because of EMS. It's only safe to presume he has EMS or a non deteriorating MS sharigan which is basically the same to use the technique. There is no mention of Indra going blind, I don't know how you could even conjure this up with his status as the sages son and fights parring Ashura.

PS users - Indra, Madara, Sasuke, one uses it with Rinnegan other with EMS other one with MS. That's not really one of a kind eye powers man.

MAdara used PS with EMS what are you talking about?

 

[Mitarashi]

Madara and Sasuke were the only ones to use PS because of EMS. It's only safe to presume he has EMS or a non deteriorating MS sharigan which is basically the same to use the technique. There is no mention of Indra going blind, I don't know how you could even conjure this up with his status as the sages son and fights parring Ashura.


MAdara used PS with EMS what are you talking about?

EMS makes it easier to stabilize such a large amount of Chakra, as the Pain must be immeasurable, But being the sages son an a genius, he was able to withstand it. That is all.
He does NOT have EMS
he does NOT have "Everlasting" Ms.

 

[Ovan]

We would need to see how they fight.

 

[Ultimateone]

so you are saying that madara's PS is bigger than idra's? first off, we literally only thee the head of his PS. which in fact is the same size of whatever power Ashura is using. most likely they are the same size, i would even say idra's has a chance to be bigger considering who he is. onother thingwe literally have no idea what these two powers levels/abilities are, other than Idra's PS and Ashura's whatever that suppose to be. this thread is a week too early.

 

[lionel654]

EMS makes it easier to stabilize such a large amount of Chakra, as the Pain must be immeasurable, But being the sages son an a genius, he was able to withstand it. That is all.
He does NOT have EMS
he does NOT have "Everlasting" Ms.

Mitarashi youre missing the point he's trying to tell you . Indra the first uchiha which means all uchiha tech comes from him at some level. If Indra didn't have EMShow can another uchiha do when hes the peak any uchiha can reach? Madara is a descendance of Indra meaning a water down version of someone or something. Which means Madara purely on his uchiha abilities the highest he can reach is Indra level of ocular vision. Indra might not have needed a set of eyes because he is the first generation after the sage. So the sages genes whichever amount he has is at his highest on Indra than any other uchihas. the future generation will only get parts of it if they are born withing the uchiha family gene pool. So how can Madara have EMS if Indra never had that doesn't make any sense at all. Uchiha's powers foundations came from him he's the 1st everyone are like percentages of him. sheesh

 

[Pravin5]

Just establishing what we know and what is safe to assume so people don't go giving people shit they don't have.





Indra simply has no brother to get his Eyes from. That is all, he was the only one with the Sharingan.
It's much more lIkely that either the Sages brother or his sons ect formulated the EMS

it is possible that he had son & he took his sons eye
you know kishi
nothing is crazy when its him

 

[Ken Masters]

Great thread

 

[UltimateHawk]

i would say
Indra>Madara
Ashura>Hashirama
Sage of Six Paths>>Madara

 

[Naruto99Uzumaki]

hagoromo before death>>>>>>>>>>>>>>juubi madara
kaguya>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>juubi madara

logic

 

[Mitarashi]

so you are saying that madara's PS is bigger than idra's? first off, we literally only thee the head of his PS. which in fact is the same size of whatever power Ashura is using. most likely they are the same size, i would even say idra's has a chance to be bigger considering who he is. onother thingwe literally have no idea what these two powers levels/abilities are, other than Idra's PS and Ashura's whatever that suppose to be. this thread is a week too early.

Yes, Madara's is bigger. Compare the sizes of Madara himself and Indra himself as opposed to his Perfect susano'o eye.

Mitarashi youre missing the point he's trying to tell you . Indra the first uchiha which means all uchiha tech comes from him at some level. If Indra didn't have EMShow can another uchiha do when hes the peak any uchiha can reach? Madara is a descendance of Indra meaning a water down version of someone or something. Which means Madara purely on his uchiha abilities the highest he can reach is Indra level of ocular vision. Indra might not have needed a set of eyes because he is the first generation after the sage. So the sages genes whichever amount he has is at his highest on Indra than any other uchihas. the future generation will only get parts of it if they are born withing the uchiha family gene pool. So how can Madara have EMS if Indra never had that doesn't make any sense at all. Uchiha's powers foundations came from him he's the 1st everyone are like percentages of him. sheesh

That's like saying that the first Namikaze had all of Minato's tech ect.
No.
You don't have them all because you're the first Uchiha.
He can't just skip the EMS rule bro l0l

it is possible that he had son & he took his sons eye
you know kishi
nothing is crazy when its him

So by the time the second son was in his 20's, he'd had a son, and his son had awakened the MS >.>?
I'd doubt that, and I don't think he'd just steal his sons eye for no reason, Maybe his SON stole his?

Great thread

i would say
Indra>Madara
Ashura>Hashirama
Sage of Six Paths>>Madara

VOTE Madara > Indra
VOTE Hashirama > Ashura
Juubi Madara > Both
Hagoromo prime > Madara ( All forms )
Juubi Madara >/= Pre juubi or Post Juubi Hagoromo.

hagoromo before death>>>>>>>>>>>>>>juubi madara
kaguya>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>juubi madara

logic

Kaguya didn't even face the Juubi herself. This means she either COULDN'T, or she was killed/exiled.

CoAT Hagoromo > All
Juubi Madara > Everyone else.

 

[KingHashirama]

People are taking the whole "blood" thing to seriouslly.. when the Sage himself said, your parents have 0 to do with how strong you might become.

 

[MrLukyso]

People are taking the whole "blood" thing to seriouslly.. when the Sage himself said, your parents have 0 to do with how strong you might become.

Exactly, we never heard of Madaras or Hashiramas fathers being very strong, but they themselves are legends, same with Sasuke and Itachi, his parents were weak IMO, and they became strong.

 

[KidGamer65]

Indra most likely had EMS.

Overtime it was shown that Rinnegan devolved into Sharingan, and we already know the steps to get it back to its original form.

1. Sharingan

2. MS

3. EMS

4. Senju DNA

5. Rinnegan.

Rikudo started at stage 5 (Rinnegan) and had two sons who had half of his powers (Yin and Yang) without Rikudo's Yang, instead of getting the Rinnegan, it went a step down to EMS. Then it further devolved when Ashura started the Uchiha Clan, so that you needed the combination of two MS to obtain Indra's powers..(EMS)

Not to mention PS has NEVER been used without EMS. EVER.