Let's COMPARE Madara-Hashirama with Indra-Ashura.

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This is not a troll thread. This is not a bait thread.
All data I will be using here is either from the Manga or what is REASONABLE and LOGICAL to expect/Assume.



First let's compare Hashirama to Ashura.

Hashirama's main fighting techniques use Mokuton and Senjutsu.
He has shown NO summon at this stage. But I'm 100% sure he had one, as that's probably the animal he has his sage affinity with ( A Slug? ), he was also called the "God of shinobi" and I find it hard to believe he didn't.

Hashirama has shown to be some-what proficient with a blade. Mainly portrayed in his fight with VOTE Madara.
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His Kenjutsu/Taijutsu were at such a level that he could fight on par with an Opponent as formidable as Madara Uchiha with his EMS activated.
Hashirama's Mokuton lets him Subdue and drain Bijuu chakra.
He is seen to have used Sealing jutsu at many stages.



Ashura APPEARS To have a Bijuu cloak, very much similar to Naruto & Minato's. This could be due to him HAVING a bijuu, or simply because he was "Re-incarnated" As Minato & Naruto. I believe he was NOT the Kyuubi's jinchuriki, but has similar abilities.This allows him to hold and PROBABLY fire bijuudama, along with the use of the "Kyuubi's" Chakra body such as arms ect. He also seems to have some skill in Kenjutsu. He does not appear to have mastered Sage mode but I wouldn't be surprised if he had.

He has NO Kekkai Genkai of any sort, and was said to have been an un-skilled Shinobi when younger, but someone with "Equal power" To his brother after a time.

IF THEY WERE TO FIGHT.
At this stage Hashirama's Mokuton is the best counter for any Bijuu or Bijuu chakra there is. His Senjutsu Mokuton is MASSIVE, easily big enough to throw the Sons "BM" mode around.
It remains to be seen if he has SM though, but if he does, he'd essentially just be like BSM Naruto, and Naruto would only ever beat Hashirama if he managed to FRS him before he could use Large scale jutsu. Hashirama's Taijutsu/Kenjutsu are also ATLEAST on par with Madara's, as he wasn't slaughtered at VOTE.


Now for Madara Vs Indra.

I believe VOTE Madara is enough to take him out.
This is simply because it's a fight of EMS Vs MS. Madara also controls the Kyuubi at this point.

Ms simply cannot spam techs like EMS can, Madara's PS has also shown to be larger than any other shown
Madara/Sasuke's PS.
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Indra's PS.
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Madara is shown to be smaller in comparison to his Susano'o more so than anyone else, and he is almost a foot taller than Naruto/Sasuke.

The darkening in the sons PS MAY be viewed at Sage mode, and his eyes could also be interpreted like that, but I won't include that for the same reason I'm not making Madara the Juubi's jin lol.

IF THEY WERE TO FIGHT

Madara has a Larger perfect susano'o, but the son may have a Sage chakra one. ( Whilst Madara probably does NOW as a Sage/juubi jin ).
Madara's EMS are able to use MS tech alot more frequently than an ordinary MS user, and Indra son was probably suffering from degrading site at the point of the battle shown in todays chapter.
Kyuubi is > pretty much any summon I can think of at the moment, but I could be wrong.
Their Taijutsu was probably on par, but Madara having full eye-sight would have an upper hand.
EMS > MS Genjutsu, I'd say. But it'd come down to who had a better Tsukuyomi ( As EMS Sasukes Sharingan is doubless inferior to Itachi's "Masterful" tsukuyomi). Madara has the ability to activate the Mugen Tsukuyomi, so he must have some skill, but doubtless so does Indra, and genjutsu is probably not a tactic you'd use on an MS / EMS opponent.

I give this to Madara simply because of what MS limits Indra too. If he has SM he puts up a good fight, but MS Fatigue, the Kyuubi and superior Sharingan give VOTE Madara my vote.

Juubi Madara takes them both at the same time.

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Alot of what is here is ASSUMPTION. I am in no way saying this is exactly what would happen, or how they are. This is just what we know so far and what is safe to assume, thank you.
 

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They are not that similar if not for their genes, Hashirama was a prodigy from the beginning, Ashura needed training to use his power well, Madara was never really the best like Indra was
 

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VOTE EMS Madara > Indra.
VOTE SM Hashirama > Ashura.

Current Jin Madara > Hagoromo.

U_U
 

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They are not that similar if not for their genes, Hashirama was a prodigy from the beginning, Ashura needed training to use his power well, Madara was never really the best like Indra was

Meh. Maybe. EMS Madara still was enough to fight with the God of shinobi for days :p ( And SM Hashirama was just a terrible fight vs his Kyuubi )

VOTE EMS Madara > Indra.
VOTE SM Hashirama > Ashura.

Current Jin Madara > Hagoromo.

U_U


I agree except Current Madara is at best on PAR with Hagoromo untill we see some Creation of all things from Madara, or anything that Rivals it.
 

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holy crap we just found out about these guys today, do you not think that this thread is a little premature
 

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So you're assuming Indra only has MS but somehow a Uchiha tablet appeared showing how to achieve EMS for future generations including Madara. Even with PS on the page you believe Indra can only have MS. You really want Madara to be superior. So desperate, very very desperate.
 

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holy crap we just found out about these guys today, do you not think that this thread is a little premature

Just establishing what we know and what is safe to assume so people don't go giving people shit they don't have.



So you're assuming Indra only has MS but somehow a Uchiha tablet appeared showing how to achieve EMS for future generations including Madara. Even with PS on the page you believe Indra can only have MS. You really want Madara to be superior. So desperate, very very desperate.

Indra simply has no brother to get his Eyes from. That is all, he was the only one with the Sharingan.
It's much more lIkely that either the Sages brother or his sons ect formulated the EMS
 
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VOTE EMS Madara > Indra.
VOTE SM Hashirama > Ashura.

Current Jin Madara < Prime Jin Hagoromo.
Current Jin Madara > Old Jin Hagoromo.
 

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Eh, We need to see more of what the sons can do, Id say Madara and Hashirama are better for now.
 

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VOTE EMS Madara > Indra.
VOTE SM Hashirama > Ashura.

Current Jin Madara < Prime Jin Hagoromo.
Current Jin Madara > Old Jin Hagoromo.

This is probably 100% True. Good work ^-^. the only thing separating Madara/Hagoromo is CoAT

Eh, We need to see more of what the sons can do, Id say Madara and Hashirama are better for now.

:D
 

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So you're assuming Indra only has MS but somehow a Uchiha tablet appeared showing how to achieve EMS for future generations including Madara. Even with PS on the page you believe Indra can only have MS. You really want Madara to be superior. So desperate, very very desperate.

Please tell me how would he get the EMS without other MS existing.
 

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They are not that similar if not for their genes, Hashirama was a prodigy from the beginning, Ashura needed training to use his power well, Madara was never really the best like Indra was

naw madara was always good he just couldn't beat hashi when they were little
 

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Please tell me how would he get the EMS without other MS existing.

Just establishing what we know and what is safe to assume so people don't go giving people shit they don't have.





Indra simply has no brother to get his Eyes from. That is all, he was the only one with the Sharingan.
It's much more lIkely that either the Sages brother or his sons ect formulated the EMS


Simple he was born with blessed eyes. Meaning he simply unlocked it.
 

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Simple he was born with blessed eyes. Meaning he simply unlocked it.

Then why and how did he know what to write down about obtaining the EMS on the Stone? You've debunked your own theory.

Thanks, saves me doing it some more.
 

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Then why and how did he know what to write down about obtaining the EMS on the Stone? You've debunked your own theory.

Thanks, saves me doing it some more.

Not exactly if Indra didn't have EMS then who did? You guys are just wanking MAdara to much. :rolleyes:
 

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agreed till saw you said current madara > rikudo.

--- how do you figure that? Rikudo is possibly thousands of years old and had a even more complete juubi than madara currently does.
 

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So you're assuming Indra only has MS but somehow a Uchiha tablet appeared showing how to achieve EMS for future generations including Madara. Even with PS on the page you believe Indra can only have MS. You really want Madara to be superior. So desperate, very very desperate.

The eMS is simply irrelevant in this case, because Indra didn't had(probably) those side effects, which every user of the Mangekyo had.
The power of Uchiha focus all on spiritual energy and chakra.

Susanoo for example consists of the users own chakra. Madara has stronger and more chakra than Itachi. Because of that, his Susanoo is stronger/bigger. Madara can determine the size of Susanoo on his own.

Yes, we could associate it with Madaras eternal Mangekyo, but it doesn't change anything. The stronger the chakra, the stronger the Jutsu.
That's also the reason why Senjutsu=>Ninjutsu

Indra had the same strong chakra as his father. So far as we know that kind of chakra is enough to create even something like the moon.

Indras Susanoo=>Madaras Susanoo
 
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The Sages brother?
His son(s)?
They may have both been born with the Eyes.

The way I see it. Only the ElderSon has the original ocular powers granted for the Uchiha. You're claiming he was going blind due to the MS but of course that's your assumption. Only one type of ocular eye power can use PS and that is a manga fact.
 
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