[Theory] Kaguya's 2nd Son (I was right last theory!) has ALREADY been mentioned by the name...

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So I first joined this forum because I wanted to discuss a theory I had about Kaguya having a 2nd child, or another Original Gangsta chakra user from that time where the Uzumaki bloodline could be traced to:



Anyway obviously I hit it (partially at least). She did have a second child like I predicted, but unlike I predicted it wasn't a daughter, it was a second son. This alters my theory a bit, even though the rest fits. I still think it's likely a couple major bloodlines, including Uzumaki will trace back to him. I also think it's likely that, like the Uzumaki's he can distribute chakra to others freely, this would explain why so much of the world can use chakra rather than just those related directly to the Uchiha/Senju/Outsutsuki bloodline.

BUT I no longer think he was a quiet hidden player in the background just helping people get chakra. I think he has to be the main antagonist that was stricken from history for evil deeds. His brother wouldn't even mention his name, but I think I know it. I think this is the evil bastard that wants to ruin the world.

After Hashirama defeated Madara he sensed a presence up on the cliff. I think it was related to Hagaromo's brother. I think he revived Madara, and planted the seeds of this plan in his head. I think he helped Madara to unlock the rinnegan, and transplant it into one of HIS descendants in Nagato as part of a greater plan that even Madara did not understand.

I think Madara's dream for a better world in his own way isn't with evil intention, but I think Hagaromo's brother does have evil intentions for an eternal hell, or in some way to regain his full power.

I think Hagaromo and his mother had to join forces to stop his brother from destroying the world. Perhaps she became the Reaper Death Seal because she could not kill her own child but needed to help Hagaromo seal away at least some of his power and weaken him. Maybe this is why he's been in the background so long, and had to use Madara and others to plan his rise back to power.


I also had a second theory when I joined here:



But I'm now thinking these two theories are more connected. I think there is a final villain and he is Hagaromo's brother, and his name is JASHIN. Jashin would be the creator of Ninjutsu and Genjutsu since his brother was the creator of Ninshuu.


Jashin would have immortality, and power beyond even that of the Hermit. Along with his immortality and UNMATCHED chakra (Uzumaki Ancestor trait!) he would also have the ability to give chakra to others. As an evil bastard he would demand money, power, worship and other things in exchange for giving chakra to people. Most likely he would demand to be worshipped as a god after his heart grew darker and his ego out of control. His blood lust would drive him to demand his followers to kill people and spread word of his power. He could give you chakra, the powers of a demi-god in exchange for something valuable and your loyalty. Why else would anyone follow a religion that makes you kill like a psycho unless it got you amazing abilities like chakra, and immortality from the most powerful ninja to ever have existed, and the found of Ninjutsu!

His mother and brother could not stand by while he destroyed the world this way. They managed to seal away much of his destructive power, but he is immortal by now and can not be killed. With his ability he could also pass that immortality on to his most loyal followers with the highest potential... even an idiot like Hidan.


Several characters that have prolonged their life beyond natural outside of edo tensai/rinne tensai/etc. look at Orochimaru, Kakuza, and obviously Madara. But most interesting by far case is overshadowed by his otherwise weak character, Hidan. How did Hidan become immortal and who is this god he worships? Obviously this god have him real tangible power and made him completely immortal, how could something that powerful have such a small part in the plot?

My theory is that Hidan's god, Jashin, is actually the younger brother of Hagaromo, the one who saved madara, and the true villain to be revealed!

If this is the case you can expect a true, bloodthirsty, twisted, narcissistic, epic villain here. Think of the rituals he forces Hidan to perform (which Hidan said he hated doing but HAD to). It was an ancient religion, perhaps this is how people got chakra and why so many ninja clans exist today even though the religion is pretty much forgotten by all except Hidan.


Being immortal and ever patient he could have put things into motion using madara as a pawn.

Not trying to rant but I find the idea of the Kaguya's second son coming into the story exciting and this would make sense to me. Otherwise Jashin and Hidan seem to be a big hole with big questions left unanswered. Also this final battle is a little too predictable without a curveball like this.

Typed this on my phone. I apologize in advance for possible autocorrects and repeats I couldn't see. /rant]
 
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dint really read, dint really give a fcuk.!!

but i always thought Lord Jashin would be of relevance sooner or later.!!

hurray..!!

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after reading Jashin name i am totally supporting you.
I believe Jashin will be the final villain after Naruto get godly powers.
that arc will tie up loose ends like:
Remember the time when Kakashi talk with his father. Sakumo said his mother died very young. I m guessing she joined Jashin's cult like hidan did. Could be a reason why kishi is still hiding kakashi's face.who knows??? it totally depends upon kishi.
also believe sage's bro helped Madara.
 

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My theory is that Hidan's god, Jashin, is actually the elder brother of Hagaromo, the one who saved madara, and the true villain to be revealed!

Madara was lying when he said that Hagoromo was the first to be born with chakra?
I don't think so.
Hagoromo's brother is the little brother by few minutes.
Without joking ,they are twin.
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Madara was lying when he said that Hagoromo was the first to be born with chakra?
I don't think so.
Hagoromo's brother is the little brother by few minutes.
Without joking ,they are twin.
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I meant younger brother. I'm thinking the younger brother was a mentor to Hagaromo's elder son in some ways, but I put that by accident.
 

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stop

madara is much smarter hash and realized that hash was wrong from the start

he also felt this way way before the F.F. between them

stop lumping a bunch a shit together and that shit u wrote long af
 
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stop

madara is much smarter hash and realized that hash was wrong from the start

he also felt this way way before the F.F. between them

stop lumping a bunch a shit together and that shit u wrote long af


How about you read it before you reply. I didn't say anything to contradict anything you wrote. that's all pretty irrelevant to the theory I posted.
 

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I will show u how Hogoromos brother has already been shown but we missed it.
 

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I liked what you said and how you explained it. Even if it may not be true, this helps give us more ideas and insight on what could/did happen. Thanks for your contribution.

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So I first joined this forum because I wanted to discuss a theory I had about Kaguya having a 2nd child, or another Original Gangsta chakra user from that time where the Uzumaki bloodline could be traced to:



Anyway obviously I hit it (partially at least). She did have a second child like I predicted, but unlike I predicted it wasn't a daughter, it was a second son. This alters my theory a bit, even though the rest fits. I still think it's likely a couple major bloodlines, including Uzumaki will trace back to him. I also think it's likely that, like the Uzumaki's he can distribute chakra to others freely, this would explain why so much of the world can use chakra rather than just those related directly to the Uchiha/Senju/Outsutsuki bloodline.

BUT I no longer think he was a quiet hidden player in the background just helping people get chakra. I think he has to be the main antagonist that was stricken from history for evil deeds. His brother wouldn't even mention his name, but I think I know it. I think this is the evil bastard that wants to ruin the world.

After Hashirama defeated Madara he sensed a presence up on the cliff. I think it was related to Hagaromo's brother. I think he revived Madara, and planted the seeds of this plan in his head. I think he helped Madara to unlock the rinnegan, and transplant it into one of HIS descendants in Nagato as part of a greater plan that even Madara did not understand.

I think Madara's dream for a better world in his own way isn't with evil intention, but I think Hagaromo's brother does have evil intentions for an eternal hell, or in some way to regain his full power.

I think Hagaromo and his mother had to join forces to stop his brother from destroying the world. Perhaps she became the Reaper Death Seal because she could not kill her own child but needed to help Hagaromo seal away at least some of his power and weaken him. Maybe this is why he's been in the background so long, and had to use Madara and others to plan his rise back to power.


I also had a second theory when I joined here:



But I'm now thinking these two theories are more connected. I think there is a final villain and he is Hagaromo's brother, and his name is JASHIN. Jashin would be the creator of Ninjutsu and Genjutsu since his brother was the creator of Ninshuu.


Jashin would have immortality, and power beyond even that of the Hermit. Along with his immortality and UNMATCHED chakra (Uzumaki Ancestor trait!) he would also have the ability to give chakra to others. As an evil bastard he would demand money, power, worship and other things in exchange for giving chakra to people. Most likely he would demand to be worshipped as a god after his heart grew darker and his ego out of control. His blood lust would drive him to demand his followers to kill people and spread word of his power. He could give you chakra, the powers of a demi-god in exchange for something valuable and your loyalty. Why else would anyone follow a religion that makes you kill like a psycho unless it got you amazing abilities like chakra, and immortality from the most powerful ninja to ever have existed, and the found of Ninjutsu!

His mother and brother could not stand by while he destroyed the world this way. They managed to seal away much of his destructive power, but he is immortal by now and can not be killed. With his ability he could also pass that immortality on to his most loyal followers with the highest potential... even an idiot like Hidan.


Several characters that have prolonged their life beyond natural outside of edo tensai/rinne tensai/etc. look at Orochimaru, Kakuza, and obviously Madara. But most interesting by far case is overshadowed by his otherwise weak character, Hidan. How did Hidan become immortal and who is this god he worships? Obviously this god have him real tangible power and made him completely immortal, how could something that powerful have such a small part in the plot?

My theory is that Hidan's god, Jashin, is actually the younger brother of Hagaromo, the one who saved madara, and the true villain to be revealed!

If this is the case you can expect a true, bloodthirsty, twisted, narcissistic, epic villain here. Think of the rituals he forces Hidan to perform (which Hidan said he hated doing but HAD to). It was an ancient religion, perhaps this is how people got chakra and why so many ninja clans exist today even though the religion is pretty much forgotten by all except Hidan.


Being immortal and ever patient he could have put things into motion using madara as a pawn.

Not trying to rant but I find the idea of the Kaguya's second son coming into the story exciting and this would make sense to me. Otherwise Jashin and Hidan seem to be a big hole with big questions left unanswered. Also this final battle is a little too predictable without a curveball like this.

Typed this on my phone. I apologize in advance for possible autocorrects and repeats I couldn't see. /rant]

So you already predicted that Hagoromo had a brother too? That makes two of us :p
 
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So you already predicted that Hagoromo had a brother too? That makes two of us :p


Actually I thought the brother thing had been over done. I predicted with certainty that there was another major player when it came to chakra distribution early on, and that it was most likely another child of Princes Kaguya. I thought it would be Hagoromo's sister though. I though the Elder Son would end up being Jashin, but now that Hagoromo has a brother and not a sister like I predicted, it makes way more sense that he become the Ninja Devil God.
 

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Well, in Japanese Myth, there's an Enju no Jashin aka the Evil God in the Enju Tree: Lol

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Its sounds good in theory but there isn't enough infor to go by..It could be possible but till the Sage names his brother i'm not fully convinced.
 
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Well, in Japanese Myth, there's an Enju no Jashin aka the Evil God in the Enju Tree: Lol

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Kishi pulls a lot of names from mythology so this makes sense.


Here's the thing he told us the names of his sons. Why would neglect his brothers name unless he's about to drop a ****in bomb up in this *****!


Hagoromo: My brother always had a darkness in him, but the yin power of the juubi twisted his soul. He became deluded and fancied himself a god killing people at will just because he could and demanding to be worshipped in exchange for chakra and immortality that he could grant his sick followers. His name became feared across the lands, the name JASHIN!


Naruto: why does that sound familiar....YOU DONT MEAN THAT CRAZY GUY HIDANS GOD DO YOU!!


Bomb dropped
 
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Madara is basically dead. Naruto Sasuke and everyone are all fired up with power ups. Pretty sure the real bad guy is about to poke through. War jashin!!
 

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I approve of this theory.

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I like this theory as a whole but I think that you're making a basic mistake. You suggest that Kaguya and hagoromo went against him while we know that this couldn't have happened for 2 basic reasons:

1) Kaguya was the strongest person ever, she could have soloed him any time and it's certain that she would find a way to kill him.
2) In the flashback, we see hagoromo and his brother fighting against the Juubi to repay for "kaguya's sins" that means that Kaguya probably was already dead at that time since otherwise she could have taken of Juubi herself. Therefore, Hagoromo's brother could have fought only against him.
 

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dint really read, dint really give a fcuk.!!

but i always thought Lord Jashin would be of relevance sooner or later.!!

hurray..!!

:happy:

nice sig .. hinata likes to be on top though
 
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I like this theory as a whole but I think that you're making a basic mistake. You suggest that Kaguya and hagoromo went against him while we know that this couldn't have happened for 2 basic reasons:

1) Kaguya was the strongest person ever, she could have soloed him any time and it's certain that she would find a way to kill him.
2) In the flashback, we see hagoromo and his brother fighting against the Juubi to repay for "kaguya's sins" that means that Kaguya probably was already dead at that time since otherwise she could have taken of Juubi herself. Therefore, Hagoromo's brother could have fought only against him.


Theory is older than that information. It had to be adjusted based on new info from the past few weeks, but the main point still stands.
 
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