Orochimaru & Tobirama VS Jiraiya & Minato

[Gold Lightning]

I don't think it should be a factor if Minato said it not being his forte is an understatement, so we should stop having this debate and move onto the actual battle.

If the feat is there then I'm not going to ignore it. Jiraya said the same thing about his sm, of course no one cared then.

The throwing of the kunai, the sand wall, the motion lines and the effects of the pigmentation appearing around Minatos eyes all indicate the speed of which he entered sm. All are relevant.

 

[Joker]

If the feat is there then I'm not going to ignore it.

The throwing of the kunai, the sand wall, the motion lines and the effects of the pigmentation appearing around Minatos eyes all indicate the speed of which he entered sm. All are relevant.

It wasn't fully explained, he could've been passively absorbing Senjutsu the whole entire time without it being known, and then at the instant he was able into SM. Who is he expecting to hurt when he goes into SM anyway...?

 

[Rinnesense]

You don't know what minato considers fast or slow.

The feat is right there, since you can't disprove it stop getting mad amd just don't reply.

Indeed. It's all relative to Minato. Considering his combat style, SM would act as a hindrance in that it'd take too long to draw in a meaningful amount of sage energy. As witnessed with Madara, he does have the capacity to draw in a small amount almost instantly. A short burst sage mode pairs well with his short, efficient attacks.

 

[Valhorus]

It wasn't fully explained, he could've been passively absorbing Senjutsu the whole entire time without it being known, and then at the instant he was able into SM. Who is he expecting to hurt when he goes into SM anyway...?

He threw a kunai and then entetred in SM . You cannot move and collect natural energy.......

 

[A v i]

Lmao,Dude enters SM in an instant and says that it takes too long to enter SM in next chapter.Wow, Kishi-God of logic.:leaf:

As many of us thought,Kishi is a member of NB.I think he saw our arguments of how SM Minato with his instant SM trolls his opponents then realized that it is unfair and decided to make it limited SM.XD

 

[Nattana]

Minato entered SM as a last resort move against Madara, since he knew SM boosted attacks could hurt him. He isn't proficient with it battle wise - if he was, he would've used it against Obito, Kurama etc.

This isn't going to be easy, though. But in the end, Jiraya is the one to die first and Orochimaru+Tobirama can easily defeat Minato.

 

[Memento Mori]

minato and jiraiya takes this

 

[Joker]

He threw a kunai and then entetred in SM . You cannot move and collect natural energy.......

Okay, let's see he is proficient enough to use it in this battle, who is he going to hurt with a small burst of Senjutsu..?

 

[Gold Lightning]

It wasn't fully explained, he could've been passively absorbing Senjutsu the whole entire time without it being known, and then at the instant he was able into SM. Who is he expecting to hurt when he goes into SM anyway...?

What Satarn said. You cannot move even a little bit otherwise you have to start again.

What do you mean who is he expecting to hurt? Any senjutsu enhanced attack will pack a punch, speed is also boosted as well as perception making things easier for minato to evade. Not that I think sm is needed, just trying to make a point.

Indeed. It's all relative to Minato. Considering his combat style, SM would act as a hindrance in that it'd take too long to draw in a meaningful amount of sage energy. As witnessed with Madara, he does have the capacity to draw in a small amount almost instantly. A short burst sage mode pairs well with his short, efficient attacks.

Makes sense

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Minato and Jiriaya take this.

A big factor is that they have a larger pool of summons and can summon more of them faster since Minato and Jiriaya both have contracts while team one only has Orochimaru when it comes to summons. Which helps provide a distraction for Jiriaya to get into Sennin Mode.

Minato and Jiraiya also have a firepower advantage when it comes to their own arsenals.​

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[Hokage Jay]

Team Rasengan vs Team Never die. Team Rasengan and Team Toad

 

[A v i]

Minato entered SM as a last resort move against Madara, since he knew SM boosted attacks could hurt him. He isn't proficient with it battle wise - if he was, he would've used it against Obito, Kurama etc.

It is not like he isn't proficient or anything,it just it won't fit for his fighting style.Minato said he haven't used it much in battles implying that he actually used it in his previous battles when it was needed.For someone like Minato to stand there and gathering natural energy is nothing more than waste of time considering the fact that almost every battle of him ends with in no time.

I honestly belive that he don't need SM in this battle.

 

[Joker]

What Satarn said. You cannot move even a little bit otherwise you have to start again.

What do you mean who is he expecting to hurt? Any senjutsu enhanced attack will pack a punch, speed is also boosted as well as perception making things easier for minato to evade. Not that I think sm is needed, just trying to make a point.

Makes sense

Not killing Orochimaru, for all we know it's good for a final hit, plus i'm pretty sure Tobirama could stall Minato while Orochimaru finishes Jiraiya.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Did anyone take into consideration that Fukasaku and Shima can be summoned. Jiraya can take Fukasaku while Minato takes Shima. The elder toads do the senjutsu gathering for the pair and do extent Jiraya and Minato's sage mode. Problem solved.

 

[Nattana]

Did anyone take into consideration that Fukasaku and Shima can be summoned. Jiraya can take Fukasaku while Minato takes Shima. The elder toads do the senjutsu gathering for the pair and do extent Jiraya and Minato's sage mode. Problem solved.

Doesn't Jiraya need both to maintain SM?

 

[Joker]

It is not like he isn't proficient or anything,it just it won't fit for his fighting style.Minato said he haven't used it much in battles implying that he actually used it in his previous battles when it was needed.For someone like Minato to stand there and gathering natural energy is nothing more than waste of time considering the fact that almost every battle of him ends with in no time.

I honestly belive that he don't need SM in this battle.

Then you're underestimating Tobirama and Orochimaru, easily the smartest characters in the verse. Pretty sure they could formulate a plan to take down Jiraiya (who was always beneath Orochimaru anyways,) and Minato.

 

[Rosae]

It is not like he isn't proficient or anything,it just it won't fit for his fighting style.Minato said he haven't used it much in battles implying that he actually used it in his previous battles when it was needed.For someone like Minato to stand there and gathering natural energy is nothing more than waste of time considering the fact that almost every battle of him ends with in no time.

I honestly belive that he don't need SM in this battle.

You summarized this up perfectly, Roronoa Zoro.

 

[A v i]

Then you're underestimating Tobirama and Orochimaru, easily the smartest characters in the verse. Pretty sure they could formulate a plan to take down Jiraiya (who was always beneath Orochimaru anyways,) and Minato.

I mean Minato don't need SM to take on any one of those two since it is one opponent for each & No Jiraya ain't below Orochimaru.

 

[Hokage Jay]

Tobriama used to be the Fastest Shinobi ever alive. Now everybody steals his techniques I think Tobriam might try to Kill Orochimaru for stealing his techniques and Minato.

 

[Valhorus]

Tobriama used to be the Fastest Shinobi ever alive. Now everybody steals his techniques I think Tobriam might try to Kill Orochimaru for stealing his techniques and Minato.

Yea totally Tobirama will go and kill Orochimaru and Minato and Jiraya will read some books watching em .