Who was the weakest Hokage (besides tsunade)

[Gein]

tsunade is not weak:NO:

Definitely not weak she has so much strength. However her fighting skills and maybe intelligence lacks compared to the other kage.

 

[ajpn920]

people don't understand that Hype is gained through feats.

You said it! Here are Minato's hype:

"I believe that only you [naruto] can surpass the Fourth Hokage.
~ Kakashi, The Legendary Copy Ninja of the Leaf.
"There was never a man that could surpass him [Fourth Hokage] "
~ The Legendary Raikage
"That unrivalled strength [Minato], that carefree smile.."
~ Masashi Kishimoto, Creator of Naruto.................
Aw come on, everybody pales in comparison to the fourth lord. As a shinobi his capacity was unparalleled, a true one-of-a kind.
~Jiraiya, the Legendary Sannin.

手合わせは幾度としたものだ　アレに勝る忍はいないとまで思わせる男だった
He was one I fought many times. A man that I even was made to think that no other shinobi would surpass.

 

[KingHashirama]

Either Tobirama doesn't possess large chakra reserve or he doesn't possess great chakra control, because it's the only reason that could explain he didn't manage to master SM during his 50years of life despite having a brother who could

Now show me where he tried to attain it. Unless you are saying Minato has higher reserves and more chakra control than Tsunade also.. Since clearly she didn't have SM, but her grandpa and her "bestfriend" did.. so.

You're validating their claims about you KingHashirama. Be careful about what you say. Databook puts Jiraya's stamina above Tsunade's. Tsunade has 4, Jiraya has 5. So there's no hole in this reasoning.

Stamina =/= chakra mate. And reason it being 5 is due to SM.

Stamina can affect chakra but the thing itself is not chakra.

I think about what i'm saying, but thanks for the look out xD.

SM doesn't mean you have Senju level chakra reserves, it just means you have enormous chakra... Manga fact

Also we don't know how much chakra each Senju had, as it obviously varies. What we do know is each Senju and Huge chakra reserves, but that doesn't mean they surpassed everyone else in chakra that wasn't a senju. Hashirama obviously has the most chakra ever in the Senju clan, but Tobirama wasn't on his level in chakra, and Narutos chakra levels surpass even Tobiramas.

So the term "Senju level chakra" is incorrect. The likes of the Third Raikage, Fourth Raikage, Kisame amd Nagato have massive chakra levels too, it doesn't mean they're inferior to every Senju in chakra.

Never said its not a manga fact..

Sorry, Tobirama's chakras > Minato/Hiruzen/Tsunade and even Naruto's.. (single wise., not combined).. Hence why edo tensei couldn't restrain him.

Oh sure even Kisame has high chakras.. he even has higher than Nagato's.. But still ain't senju level. Pure Senju (Tobirama and Hashirama) have the highest chakra shown..

You said it! Here are Minato's hype:

"I believe that only you [naruto] can surpass the Fourth Hokage.
~ Kakashi, The Legendary Copy Ninja of the Leaf.
"There was never a man that could surpass him [Fourth Hokage] "
~ The Legendary Raikage
"That unrivalled strength [Minato], that carefree smile.."
~ Masashi Kishimoto, Creator of Naruto.................
Aw come on, everybody pales in comparison to the fourth lord. As a shinobi his capacity was unparalleled, a true one-of-a kind.
~Jiraiya, the Legendary Sannin.

手合わせは幾度としたものだ　アレに勝る忍はいないとまで思わせる男だった
He was one I fought many times. A man that I even was made to think that no other shinobi would surpass.

Still waiting on that hype where he has been compared to the people of the past..

And the fact tobirama was the best shinobi in konoha already kind of puts him above Minato.. again just saying, don't want you to be offended like some of the other Minato fans.

And yea i agree Minato was the strongest in his era.. just not the strongest of all the eras..

 

[ajpn920]

Now show me where he tried to attain it. Unless you are saying Minato has higher reserves and more chakra control than Tsunade also.. Since clearly she didn't have SM, but her grandpa and her "bestfriend" did.. so.


Stamina =/= chakra mate. And reason it being 5 is due to SM.

Stamina can affect chakra but the thing itself is not chakra.

I think about what i'm saying, but thanks for the look out xD.


Never said its not a manga fact..

Sorry, Tobirama's chakras > Minato/Hiruzen/Tsunade and even Naruto's.. (single wise., not combined).. Hence why edo tensei couldn't restrain him.

Oh sure even Kisame has high chakras.. he even has higher than Nagato's.. But still ain't senju level. Pure Senju (Tobirama and Hashirama) have the highest chakra shown..





Still waiting on that hype where he has been compared to the people of the past..

And the fact tobirama was the best shinobi in konoha already kind of puts him above Minato.. again just saying, don't want you to be offended like some of the other Minato fans.

And yea i agree Minato was the strongest in his era.. just not the strongest of all the eras..

Show me a scan where the Senju bros were considered the strongest in all eras. Also show me a scan where tobirama was considered the best shinobi in konoha. lol

This scan alone says a lot

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[Bogard]

Now show me where he tried to attain it. Unless you are saying Minato has higher reserves and more chakra control than Tsunade also.. Since clearly she didn't have SM, but her grandpa and her "bestfriend" did.. so.

For someone who supposedly wants to perfect himself, don't you find it funny that during 50years living alongside a brother SM user, he actually never tried to learn such a great skill when you know the power boost it grants? In this case, it would mean Tobirama is an idiot

Jiraya has more chakra than Tsunade, so it won't surprise me if Minato had as well. He has better chakra control for sure though since not only he can use rasengan(that requires the highest chakra control possible), can control natural energy perfectly, but unlike her, the dude can manipulate chakra to meet any individual's chakra trait

 

[irukaumino26]

Senju brothers are the top strongest.

Everyone during the era of war were raised under much harsher conditions, where everyone was practicing forbidden jutsus.

So,

1. Hashirama
2. Tobirama

Next would be the King of Hype, Hiruzen. The Sarutobi clan was one of the strongest ones during the times of war. He knows ALL the jutsu, can use 5 elements, and has perfect 5s in every category on stats except physicality.

3. Sarutobi Hiruzen

4th would be...well exactly that, the 4th. Minato was a genius of his time and used very efficient S/T jutsu. But he seems eerily familiar to the 2nd, yet not even at Tobirama's level (Tobirama invented Edo Tensei, Kage Bunshin, S/T, etc.) Also add the fact that Minato is only like 33, he's FAR from what his prime COULD HAVE BEEN. No 33 yr. old can be the strongest character in the manga.

4. Minato

5. Tsunade

 

[Gold Lightning]

Never said its not a manga fact..

Sorry, Tobirama's chakras > Minato/Hiruzen/Tsunade and even Naruto's.. (single wise., not combined).. Hence why edo tensei couldn't restrain him.

Oh sure even Kisame has high chakras.. he even has higher than Nagato's.. But still ain't senju level. Pure Senju (Tobirama and Hashirama) have the highest chakra shown..

Never said Minato/Hiruzen/Tsunade has higher chakra than Tobirama though, I just said Minato has "enormous" chakra reserves which is true.

I don't believe Tobirama has higher chakra levels than Naruto considering Hashirama compared his chakra to his own but whatever... I don't really care about this.

My point is the term "Senju level chakra" isn't exactly well justified considering not all Senju had the same chakra reserves. Someone who wasn't from the Senju clan may have had higher chakra reserves than a Senju member, but obviously we'll never know because we don't know every single Senju and their capabilities.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Now show me where he tried to attain it. Unless you are saying Minato has higher reserves and more chakra control than Tsunade also.. Since clearly she didn't have SM, but her grandpa and her "bestfriend" did.. so.


Stamina =/= chakra mate. And reason it being 5 is due to SM.

Stamina can affect chakra but the thing itself is not chakra.

I think about what i'm saying, but thanks for the look out xD.


Never said its not a manga fact..

Sorry, Tobirama's chakras > Minato/Hiruzen/Tsunade and even Naruto's.. (single wise., not combined).. Hence why edo tensei couldn't restrain him.

Oh sure even Kisame has high chakras.. he even has higher than Nagato's.. But still ain't senju level. Pure Senju (Tobirama and Hashirama) have the highest chakra shown..





Still waiting on that hype where he has been compared to the people of the past..

And the fact tobirama was the best shinobi in konoha already kind of puts him above Minato.. again just saying, don't want you to be offended like some of the other Minato fans.

And yea i agree Minato was the strongest in his era.. just not the strongest of all the eras..

Your welcome, but I'd like to say this. Stamina kinda does mean chakra reserves. I mean, it is the life force of the shinobi. Also, all ninjas that have had high stamina have had high reserves.(Naruto, Jiraya, Tsunade, Hashirama, Tobirama) The only one I don't know about would be Guy since he doesn't really use chakra anyway.


Also, I'd like to add that the databook uses base stats. It does not include enhancements like SM. Let me give an example. Base Naruto in part 2 has 3.5 in strength. Sakura in part 2 has 3.0. Yet, we all know who's actually stronger, and Kishimoto wrote this during the time she's demonstrated strength feats. This can only mean that chakra-enhanced strength was not factored into the score. By extension, this means the databook does not include enhancements into the stats. (this also proves Tsunade has monstrous strength without chakra enhancement since she has a 5)

 

[KingHashirama]

Your welcome, but I'd like to say this. Stamina kinda does mean chakra reserves. I mean, it is the life force of the shinobi. Also, all ninjas that have had high stamina have had high reserves.(Naruto, Jiraya, Tsunade, Hashirama, Tobirama) The only one I don't know about would be Guy since he doesn't really use chakra anyway.


Also, I'd like to add that the databook uses base stats. It does not include enhancements like SM. Let me give an example. Base Naruto in part 2 has 3.5 in strength. Sakura in part 2 has 3.0. Yet, we all know who's actually stronger, and Kishimoto wrote this during the time she's demonstrated strength feats. This can only mean that chakra-enhanced strength was not factored into the score. By extension, this means the databook does not include enhancements into the stats. (this also proves Tsunade has monstrous strength without chakra enhancement since she has a 5)

Stamina is used to make chakra, but it in itself is not chakra.

Stamina is physical training.

But SM Naruto had better strength feats than Sakura at that point of the storyline tho.

Never said Minato/Hiruzen/Tsunade has higher chakra than Tobirama though, I just said Minato has "enormous" chakra reserves which is true.

I don't believe Tobirama has higher chakra levels than Naruto considering Hashirama compared his chakra to his own but whatever... I don't really care about this.

My point is the term "Senju level chakra" isn't exactly well justified considering not all Senju had the same chakra reserves. Someone who wasn't from the Senju clan may have had higher chakra reserves than a Senju member, but obviously we'll never know because we don't know every single Senju and their capabilities.

By Senju level i'm simply referring to atleast on Tsuna's level. Doesn't mean i'm not saying they don't have high reserves.. but just saying not on that level.

And Hashirama said Naruto + full 9-tails chakra is only COMPARABLE to his..

 

[AGoodBoy]

Obviously tobirama.

Hashi is called a god.
Hiruzen knows 5 elements all of high level and said to be possibly stronger than the previous.
Hiruzen called minato a genius and minato has enough hype to state he's very strong.

Tobirama has like 0 hype except 1 little line by madara.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Stamina is used to make chakra, but it in itself is not chakra.

Stamina is physical training.

But SM Naruto had better strength feats than Sakura at that point of the storyline tho.

The databook ended at the Itachi pursuit arc. SM was not even introduced for Naruto.

 

[KingHashirama]

The databook ended at the Itachi pursuit arc. SM was not even introduced for Naruto.

Ah never mind, i got confused due to pain being in there. Forgot about the Jiraiya vs Pain fight lol. My bad bro.

But you are right. And till this day i still don't get how Naruto has higher strength than Sakura's.. before SM.

 

[Narutobirama]

Obviously tobirama.

Hashi is called a god.
Hiruzen knows 5 elements all of high level and said to be possibly stronger than the previous.
Hiruzen called minato a genius and minato has enough hype to state he's very strong.

Tobirama has like 0 hype except 1 little line by madara.

Tobirama was Hashirama's brother. He was from the same generation and the second strongest in their clan. He created the Jutsu which made Minato famous. He created the Jutsu that the main character uses the most, as well as being his signature technique and one of the best Jutsu. He also created Jutsu that allowed single characters to fight against thousands of Shinobi. With the same Jutsu 4 Hokage were revived and were able to help Naruto and the other Shinobi.

Hashirama and Tobirama were the only two Shinobi that were able to resist. If it wasn't for Orochimaru strengthening his technique with Hashirama's cells, Orochimaru couldn't control Tobirama.

Madara said Tobirama was the fastest Shinobi. Minato is slightly faster. But Tobirama is still one of the fastest Shinobi.

 

[TenthHokagexRamen]

Obviously tobirama.

Hashi is called a god.
Hiruzen knows 5 elements all of high level and said to be possibly stronger than the previous.
Hiruzen called minato a genius and minato has enough hype to state he's very strong.

Tobirama has like 0 hype except 1 little line by madara.

he solo'ed izuna who was on par with madara MS. Thats feat in itself

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Current Hiruzen feats is enough to solo alive Minato.

 

[xcoyote]

Hiruzen
Hashirama
Danzo(if he counts)
Minato/Tobirama
Tobirama/Minato
Tsunade

 

[Ababeel]

Tobirama was Hashirama's brother. He was from the same generation and the second strongest in their clan. He created the Jutsu which made Minato famous. He created the Jutsu that the main character uses the most, as well as being his signature technique and one of the best Jutsu. He also created Jutsu that allowed single characters to fight against thousands of Shinobi. With the same Jutsu 4 Hokage were revived and were able to help Naruto and the other Shinobi.

Hashirama and Tobirama were the only two Shinobi that were able to resist. If it wasn't for Orochimaru strengthening his technique with Hashirama's cells, Orochimaru couldn't control Tobirama.

Madara said Tobirama was the fastest Shinobi. Minato is slightly faster. But Tobirama is still one of the fastest Shinobi.

What does being Hashi's brother have to do with anything? Minato is Naruto's father (the main character), so whats your point?

- Creating jutsu is something and being stronger is something else. He indeed created those jutsus, but all
Minato, Naruto, Oro, and Kabuto use them better than he does.

- Lol, Minato and Hiruzen did not even try to do anything to begin with. Tobirama was controled by Oro, not sure what manga do you read. In top of that, who told you resisting the ET make you stronger? Sai's brother, shin and Sasori resisted Kabuto's superior ET, are they stronger than Tobirama and Hashirama as well?

- It does not matter if he is one of them or not, it does matter than Minato is faster than him.

 

[Gold Lightning]

By Senju level i'm simply referring to atleast on Tsuna's level. Doesn't mean i'm not saying they don't have high reserves.. but just saying not on that level.

And Hashirama said Naruto + full 9-tails chakra is only COMPARABLE to his..

According to kishi and his data book, jiraya has more stamina/chakra reserves than Tsunade and Minato has even more that Jiraya so I don't see your point.

 

[Kazehime Seirin]

none of the hokage are weak

 

[Joseph Gomes]

None of them are weak. None of them are exceptionally strong either (except for hashirama of course)