DSM vs. TSM

[ChocolateVanilla]

Which one do you think is better and why?

Toad sage mode: TSM has shown strength feats in which the user can throw an object over 150X ones own mass.

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and that one can utilize natural energy as their own weapon

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. It has also shown that it gives adept sensory skills ex. When Naruto traced Nagato using TSM and a chakra receiver.


Dragon Sage Mode: DSM has shown sensory abilities that are equal to or greater than TSM such as when Kabuto was able to fight both Sasuke and Itachi with his vision shut off.

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It has also shown the ability to animate inanimate objects:

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[Devauzamaki]

Chou Odama Futon RasenShuriken ends it.
Naruto has more raw power but kabuto or dsm user would have more versatility

 

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Useless Sage Mode hands down U_U

 

[sasukesworld]

hahah "useless sage mode" xD
I like that

 

[Avery Namikaze]

Props on not including all of his stolen powers as DSM abilities like others do. Though I'd have to say TSM wins IMO only because of Frog Kumite.

 

[HiddenSound]

It's strength vs speed here.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Toad Sage mode. The reason why Kabuto's is OP is because of genetic enhancements, not the SM itself. I don't think there's a difference in physical enhancement though. Here's the reason why I picked TSM.

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Frog kumite is a sage art that takes the enhanced perception and reflexes to a whole new level. Please add this to the OP.

 

[iFlowMotion]

Useless sage takes it

 

[Lana Del Taka]

DSM is better.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

It's strength vs speed here.

It's actually taijutsu VS ninjutsu. TSM trumps in taijutsu reflexes and gives range to taijutus while DSM grants powers that depend upon enclosed conditions.

 

[UCE]

Dragon sage mode FTW

 

[blackstar9]

I don't think one is better then the other. I say draw

 

[HiddenSound]

Toad Sage mode. The reason why Kabuto's is OP is because of genetic enhancements, not the SM itself. I don't think there's a difference in physical enhancement though. Here's the reason why I picked TSM.

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Frog kumite is a sage art that takes the enhanced perception and reflexes to a whole new level. Please add this to the OP.

The only reason Kabuto's is OP is because of genetic enhancements? No. He can remain forever in DSM due to genetic enhancements, but that's all. Speed, reflexes, perception, Sage Jutsu, all from DSM and DSM alone.

It's actually taijutsu VS ninjutsu. TSM trumps in taijutsu reflexes and gives range to taijutus while DSM grants powers that depend upon enclosed conditions.

Frog Kumite seems to be just as quick as DSM. Or less than.

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Kabuto was distracted and surprised by a raging fireball coming right at him, yet still managed to counter when it was mere inches from him.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

The only reason Kabuto's is OP is because of genetic enhancements? No. He can remain forever in DSM due to genetic enhancements, but that's all. Speed, reflexes, perception, Sage Jutsu, all from DSM and DSM alone.

When did I say that the attributes are from genetics? I didn't. However, the only thing that makes Kabuto's sage mode truly OP is genetic enhancements like Suigetsu's liquifying, Karin's healing, the sound 4's power ect. All of his other abilities from DSM are not as significant.


Both Naruto and Kabuto are enhanced by SM.


Kabuto has 2 sage arts: White rage and inorganic reanimation. Both are most effective in an enclosed area.


Naruto has sage art: frog kumite. This gives him superior usage of reflexes and perception as well as enhanced range to strikes.


I'm going to eat lunch now.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

I think I prefer Toad sage mode above Dsm

a smal question if muki tensei would hit Naruto in sage mode do u think it would damage him?
considering he did this and left unscathed, it was a pretty high distance too

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[Brother Numpsay]

Toad Sage mode. The reason why Kabuto's is OP is because of genetic enhancements, not the SM itself. I don't think there's a difference in physical enhancement though. Here's the reason why I picked TSM.

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Frog kumite is a sage art that takes the enhanced perception and reflexes to a whole new level. Please add this to the OP.

Naruto's physical enhancement, state wise, is .5 higher then Kabuto's. So when both are boost, Naruto's phyiscal feats still remain a little stronger. Kabuto can grow his limbs like he did with his snakes to make it up. Or use Jirobo from his stomach, who originally is superior in strength.

Manga stated all who can harness nature can manipulate nature's force. Before he began training Naruto, and before he showed Naruto Frog Fu, he stated SM user Taijutsu are already increased. Frog fu is simply fighting style developed by Toads, not the natural energy hitbox itself.

 

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I think I prefer Toad sage mode above Dsm

a smal question if muki tensei would hit Naruto in sage mode do u think it would damage him?
considering he did this and left unscathed, it was a pretty high distance too

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Doubt it so Far TSM is the only one that seems to enhance durability because Kabuto and Madara got pierced by Sasuke while Deva Path Chakra Rod smashed to bits when it collided with Naruto hand when he re-entered SM.

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[Brother Numpsay]

Doubt it so Far TSM is the only one that seems to enhance durability because Kabuto and Madara got pierced by Sasuke while Deva Path Chakra Rod smashed to bits when it collided with Naruto hand when he re-entered SM.

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Wait no

Kabuto is transferring life and chakra into it, so its augmented.

P.S. chakra rod can stab naruto

 

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Wait no

Kabuto is transferring life and chakra into it, so its augmented.

P.S. chakra rod can stab naruto

Not while in SM

 

[HiddenSound]

When did I say that the attributes are from genetics? I didn't. However, the only thing that makes Kabuto's sage mode truly OP is genetic enhancements like Suigetsu's liquifying, Karin's healing, the sound 4's power ect. All of his other abilities from DSM are not as significant.


Both Naruto and Kabuto are enhanced by SM.


Kabuto has 2 sage arts: White rage and inorganic reanimation. Both are most effective in an enclosed area.


Naruto has sage art: frog kumite. This gives him superior usage of reflexes and perception as well as enhanced range to strikes.


I'm going to eat lunch now.

Mhm.
Hakugeki is pretty much a paralysis field explosion that Kabuto can move around in. With his speed, Hakugeki + Chakra Scalpel is enough to make quick work of most characters, including SM Naruto, and that's insignificant to you? And please don't say Hakugeki only works in a cave, as some people do. You don't seem to be unintelligent.
And again, Frog Kumite doesn't seem to have a single thing over DSM's natural speed and reflexes.