Ending the "Kamui GG" and "Amaterasu GG" arguments

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I'm joking, there is no way you can stop these arguments. But what I did notice is some people making misconceptions about these two instant shot jutsus. I will like to bring them up.

Misconception 1: These two jutsu can make a larger hitbox by will.

Thats not how it works. Now I know someone will bring Databook for Kamui stating it can, but I will address this later. For Amaterasu, it has specifically explained that it works for line of sight. If the line of sight target is a Giant, it will create Giant flames. If the line of sight is a human, it will create the size compatible to the target.

Example: The size of Katon effected Itachi's line of sight[ ]. Because of this he was able to produce the flames that blocked his line of sight.[ ].

In every case when Amaterasu was use, vs Danzo, Ay/Samurai, Sasuke, Nagato ,Juubito ,and Madara, it was shown to burn the capability of the opponent.

The limit it can extend is what we have to go by from the manga. Sasuke cannot light up Amaterasu to Juubi, which is why he got help from Naruto's wind release to burn the size that would be effective. So looking in a point of view via no limit fallacy, the largest it can go is Summoning size Amaterasu. And once again the target has to be Summoning size in order to produce that large.

Misconception 2: Kamui is instant in every range.

In all the cases of Kamui warping instantly, they were all very close to Kakashi. Note: I will use even unskilled Kamui Kakashi to prove my point too.

Lets look at all the long range use scenario.[ > > ].<--2 more pages, you get the point. Now lets look at the close range in the same arc[ > > . Techically 2 pages compare to long range 5 pages. Lets look at more experience Kakashi via Pain arc. [ ]. Thats it 1 page for close range. Now lets look at long range[ > ]<== Page 1 give it alot more panel time. Lets look at War arc: Long range [ [/URL]> ]. Obito had enough time to cancel it. In fact the whole fight Kakashi shown he had to move closer to warp things faster, shown through out the whole fight. Juubi arc Kakashi's comment[ ]. Close range Juubi arc[ > . All of these evidence shows that close range shot of Kamui's line of sight is slower then long range shots, therefore it isn't instant in ever range. Even if Kakashi were to make a larger warp range, that would mean it will take longer to consume the opponent, shown against Deidara. [ > > ]. So in a sense, it shares the same case of Amaterasu one shot arguments.


In the end these one shot "instant" jutsu have its cons
 

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I swear I loved this thread, I'm just glad not everyone is super retarded in thinking that kamui is an instant kill at any range. Even more glad kishi nerfed kakashi so we'll never have to listen to the retards scream kamui>all every week, good thread man.
 

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You called.?? Also kamui and Amaterasu can 1 shot alot of characters...

Tsunade
Hiruzen
Jiraiya
K11(Excluding Naruto and Sasuke)
Muu
Temari
Kankuro
Etc...
 

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I swear I loved this thread, I'm just glad not everyone is super retarded in thinking that kamui is an instant kill at any range. Even more glad kishi nerfed kakashi so we'll never have to listen to the retards scream kamui>all every week, good thread man.
I agree. Now kamui snipe is proven not to exist (not that it ever existed) and to fight Kakashi, all you have to do is stay 10m away from him to avoid kamui & rely on long-range attacks (something Kakashi lacks himself, most of his attacks are close-range). Hopefully no more people will say Kakashi>Naruverse. And I'm saying this as one of his fans, but the wank was just honestly getting annoying.
 

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But the majority of the shinobi that this manga centers around do have the speed needed to dodge amaterasu and have the ability to stay 10m away from a kamui user...
But this doesnt change the fact that they are both still 1 shot jutsu. I bet Sasuke cant dodge kamui.
 

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I agree. Now kamui snipe is proven not to exist (not that it ever existed) and to fight Kakashi, all you have to do is stay 10m away from him to avoid kamui & rely on long-range attacks (something Kakashi lacks himself, most of his attacks are close-range). Hopefully no more people will say Kakashi>Naruverse. And I'm saying this as one of his fans, but the wank was just honestly getting annoying.
I agree 100% with you, and what I hate the most is if you try to convince fanboys other wise they just get defensive and throw all kinds of kamui scans at you. I'm just glad some ppl on here still have a brain.
 
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Yeah it sucks that they are force to when it comes to Kakashi fanbase and Itachi/Sasuke fanbase. Always arguing.
It does suck. But I think that the majority of Itachi's fanbase know that Amaterasu isn't GG and admit that. (Yes, I do think that. It's only the trolls that say otherwise.) Sasuke's fanbase on the otherhand, I think the majority believe that his enton release is GG for some reason. And the Kakashi fanbase believes that he could even take down Juubi jin Madara but plot restricts him and that he could just end the war with a never shown tech, kamui snipe. Which obviously isn't true and somewhat annoying. Oh well.
 
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But this doesnt change the fact that they are both still 1 shot jutsu. I bet Sasuke cant dodge kamui.
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Kakashi couldn't kamui away Obito who was less that 15 meters away from him and slowly walking toward Madara while on life support through black zetsu. If you stay more than 10m away from Kakashi, you're fine.

Yes, kamui and amaterasu can one-shot people. They are as much a one-shot as Itachi and TenTen's kunai throwing skills. Nearly every technique in the Naruverse has potential to be a one-shot, but none are actually bullet-proof.
 

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Kakashi couldn't kamui away Obito who was less that 15 meters away from him and slowly walking toward Madara while on life support through black zetsu. If you stay more than 10m away from Kakashi, you're fine.

Yes, kamui and amaterasu can one-shot people. They are as much a one-shot as Itachi and TenTen's kunai throwing skills. Nearly every technique in the Naruverse has potential to be a one-shot, but none are actually bullet-proof.
I'd rep you but alas I already have.
 
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i wouldnt say that itachi/sasuke can produce bijuu sized amaterasu, the initial spawning of amaterasu has always been small

in case of the fireball clash amaterasu quickly spread over the flames as it doesnt take much to burn them to begin with and in case of killer bee sasuke received juugo's senjutsu chakra [ ] which made the initial spawn ridiculously big as happens with any technique like rasengan when senjutsu is added [ ]

The main defense against them would be to stay at a distance from them, depending upon how bad their vision

We saw this chapter how kakashi who is starting to feel the side effects of Mangekyo said this:

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and we also saw how badly itachi's vision had deteriorated

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Even the databook classifies amaterasu as a close range attack

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Amaterasu

User(s): Uchiha Itachi
Rank: -
TNG: Ninjutsu (Bloodline Limit)
Range: Close
Type: Attack

Description:
"The ones reflected in these eyes turn to ash!! A black world-destroying
conflagration that scorches all on heaven and earth!!"

The Uchiha clan, originally significant as "those with the fans which manipulate
fire", traditionally specialize in Katon jutsu, but there is a legendary jutsu
unknown outside the clan. This is "Amaterasu". The appearance of these flames
are jet-black. The high temperature is like the sun, and one time touching it is
the last. It is said that this is named after the Goddess of the Sun as it
continues to burn for seven days and seven nights. However, the Mangekyou
Sharingan is necessary to activate this jutsu, and for this reason there are not
many who have learned this jutsu. Therefore, the details of this jutsu are yet
unrevealed...

Picture text:
Top: The black flames that only the owner of the Mangekyou Sharingan can control
are even able to instantly break through the side of a rock toad who breathes
fire!!
Bottom: Jiraiya, whi has mastered many jutsu, did not know of the existence of
Amaterasu. What he does understand is the power of the suspicious conflagration.
 
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i wouldnt say that itachi/sasuke can produce bijuu sized amaterasu, the initial spawning of amaterasu has always been small

in case of the fireball clash amaterasu quickly spread over the flames as it doesnt take much to burn them to begin with and in case of killer bee sasuke received juugo's senjutsu chakra [ ] which made the initial spawn ridiculously big as happens with any technique like rasengan when senjutsu is added [ ]

The main defense against them would be to stay at a distance from them, depending upon how bad their vision

Good point but Hermit Power of Curse has never shown to share the same feat as other use of Natural Energy/Balancing, so Ill disagree on that point.
 
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