What's your opinion on the Uchiha massacre?

[Genjitxu]

Shisui said Danzo stopped him from using his kotoamatasuki (sp) to prevent the coup. Even took his eye. Why would Danzo do that? Just hypnotize Fugaku and be done with it. The massacre was an entirely preventable event that the Konoha higher up wanted to happen.

 

[Naked Snake]

The Pain thing all happened in one day, and all the Shinobi forces were still alive and well (Rinne Tensei) it was just that all their buildings were destroyed. Not to mention the Akatsuki was a threat to all shinobi lands, and they wouldn't want to mess up a relationship with one of the strongest villages with the most intel on them.

As for after the Orochimaru thing, Suna would have quickly come to Konoha's aid if any villages did try to infiltrate Konoha as a way to make amends for being tricked into turning against Konoha.

Actually you have a point. Were they tricked into turning against Konoha? I thought the Yondaime was going to invade anyway with Orochimaru.

@bold Sand was already trying to destroy them.
@italic the summit was called because of the akatsuki being a bigger threat.

Even after the Summit Onoki's Grand daughter suggested Killing Both Naruto and Bee to tip the Balance of Power, so yea it could have been possible for a other Village to take advantage of the situation seeing that the Mist and Leaf were still have a few skrimishes.

Yes, but they were left vulnerable.

Makes sense.

 

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Everyone involved are either stupid or being hilter. Prevent war by total extermination??? Wow madara's peace plan is 100 times better

Can't tell if serious or just trolling.

 

[BlackKunai]

Danzo is a douche. Because of him many innocent Uchiha (non Coup d'état supporters) died, Shisui was killed, and Itachi and Sasuke's lives were ruined.

I'm also disappointed in Hiruzen. Thousands of people died because he didn't eliminate Danzo. Hiruzen also always talked about peaceful approaches but he never backed up his words with action. He could have talked to the Uchiha personally and tried to reach an agreement.

Fugaku didn't know what was best for his clan by putting them against all of Konoha. Trying to overthrow the Konoha government meant fighting against Root, the regular military, ANBU, citizens, and the Hokage himself. It was a suicide mission.

There were a lot of cowards on both sides not doing what was necessary to reach an agreement.

This sums it up pretty nicely.

 

[Naked Snake]

Hiruzen was well aware of what Danzo was though. As Hokage Hiruzen was responsible for keeping everyone safe, and Danzo was by far the biggest threat to Konoha's well being. It was Hiruzen's job to eliminate that threat.

Yes, I don't think that he knew that Danzo would go that far however. I would've killed Danzo for taking Shisui's eye alone.

 

[Naked Snake]

I believe Fugaku would've been a shitty Hokage anyway, it seems that he sacrificed his clan's fate because he didn't want to kill his son. Unless he already knew that the clan were dead.

 

[UltraPain]

Yes, I don't think that he knew that Danzo would go that far however. I would've killed Danzo for taking Shisui's eye alone.

Maybe so, however after the talks with Danzo (and seeing how bent Danzo was on killing the Uchiha), Hiruzen should have acted. He knew Danzo his entire life and had to have known how Danzo preferred to handle things.

Hiruzen showed the same weakness against Orochimaru.

 

[TrollKing]

Can't tell if serious or just trolling.

Moon eye plan has no extermination involved, madara attack out of self defense and create a happy world . While konoha exterminate whole clan women and babies too, once "rebels" all dead, then its peace

Both are dictatorship, but one try not to kill a soul, the other has to kill the whole tribe

 

[Young Vongola]

Actually you have a point. Were they tricked into turning against Konoha? I thought the Yondaime was going to invade anyway with Orochimaru.

Maybe he was, I can't really remember. I just remember after the invasion Baki found the 4th and his bodyguards dead in a ditch, and he said Orochimaru tricked them.

 

[UltraPain]

Moon eye plan has no extermination involved, madara attack out of self defense and create a happy world . While konoha exterminate whole clan women and babies too, once "rebels" all dead, then its peace

This is cowardice from Madara too though. Instead of fighting for true peace and helping people understand one another, he is instead taking the easy way out and forcing them to submit. That isn't what peace is.

 

[Naked Snake]

Maybe so, however after the talks with Danzo (and seeing how bent Danzo was on killing the Uchiha), Hiruzen should have acted. He knew Danzo his entire life and had to have known how Danzo preferred to handle things.

Hiruzen showed the same weakness against Orochimaru.

Yes, I think Kishi ruined Hiruzen's character. Hashirama was way softer than Hiruzen but he took action when it was needed most of the time.

 

[TrollKing]

This is cowardice from Madara too though. Instead of fighting for true peace and helping people understand one another, he is instead taking the easy way out and forcing them to submit. That isn't what peace is.

Isn't he still 100 times better than konoha?? Lord madara with his godly power never did or intend to exterminate any village or tribe. He just want the inconsistent people be quiet and obey, then lord madara will create a peaceful world for them

 

[avenged sevenfold]

I think it could've been easily avoided if hiruzen was more tough

 

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It was Germany all over again .

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[Naked Snake]

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Except that Uchiha were the first to prepare to take violent measures.

 

[UltraPain]

Isn't he still 100 times better than konoha?? Lord madara with his godly power never did or intend to exterminate any village or tribe. He just want the inconsistent people be quiet and obey, then lord madara will create a peaceful world for them

lol well this is just retarded XD

 

[Sageflash]

Would've been cool to see. I wonder how Itachi handled it and how he and Obito actually carried it out.

But, both parties were at fault. Tragedy all around.

 

[Chie]

Danzo is a douche. Because of him many innocent Uchiha (non Coup d'état supporters) died, Shisui was killed, and Itachi and Sasuke's lives were ruined.

I'm also disappointed in Hiruzen. Thousands of people died because he didn't eliminate Danzo. Hiruzen also always talked about peaceful approaches but he never backed up his words with action. He could have talked to the Uchiha personally and tried to reach an agreement.

Fugaku didn't know what was best for his clan by putting them against all of Konoha. Trying to overthrow the Konoha government meant fighting against Root, the regular military, ANBU, citizens, and the Hokage himself. It was a suicide mission.

There were a lot of cowards on all sides not doing what was necessary to reach an agreement.

^EXACTLY THIS

Tobirama and Madara were too immature to settle their differences which eventually led to years of tension between the Uchiha and Konoha. Danzo was a total jerk. Hiruzen was a push-over afraid to speak his mind and push for negotiations. Fugaku was misguided and was essentially leading the clan into a suicide & was stubborn for rejecting negotiations. Both the Uchiha and Konoha are to blame and screwed up massively.

I don't even blame Itachi and Shisui. By the time the mess rolled around to them, they attempted a KA, but w/ Danzo's (paranoid and didn't trust Shisui) influence that failed. Then the massacre became inevitable because the Uchiha were going to die either way and to prevent war. (Yes, there would have been war. Overthrowing the leader and taking political power is not something other clans would stand for. Every shinobi in the village would go against the Uchiha. Even if the Uchiha miraculously succeeded, it's not like the citizens of Konoha would stand for it. They themselves would rebel and overthrow the Uchiha. Then the Uchiha would be executed as traitors.)

 

[Chie]

I believe Fugaku would've been a shitty Hokage anyway, it seems that he sacrificed his clan's fate because he didn't want to kill his son. Unless he already knew that the clan were dead.

He and Mikoto were already sitting down in that room before Itachi even entered. They knew that something was up and that the plans for the coup had failed. I really doubt that they didn't know that the clan was dead. There was nothing else they could do besides somewhat try to lessen their son's burden.

Itachi gave a speech right in front of Fugaku back in pt1 about how it was stupid to be totally absorbed in the clan name. Fugaku didn't agree with that and just gave up on his son because he didn't understand and disagreed. To Fugaku, Clan>sons

 

[UltraPain]

^EXACTLY THIS

Tobirama and Madara were too immature to settle their differences which eventually led to years of tension between the Uchiha and Konoha. Danzo was a total jerk. Hiruzen was a push-over afraid to speak his mind and push for negotiations. Fugaku was misguided and was essentially leading the clan into a suicide & was stubborn for rejecting negotiations. Both the Uchiha and Konoha are to blame and screwed up massively.

I don't even blame Itachi and Shisui. By the time the mess rolled around to them, they attempted a KA, but w/ Danzo's (paranoid and didn't trust Shisui) influence that failed. Then the massacre became inevitable because the Uchiha were going to die either way and to prevent war. (Yes, there would have been war. Overthrowing the leader and taking political power is not something other clans would stand for. Every shinobi in the village would go against the Uchiha. Even if the Uchiha miraculously succeeded, it's not like the citizens of Konoha would stand for it. They themselves would rebel and overthrow the Uchiha. Then the Uchiha would be executed as traitors.)

Very well said + rep